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The CC and spells(as well as the hero) will mostly serve as the trump card in this set up, and I feel it may be better able to deal with strong CCs.Quote:
Originally Posted by cakework
Being TH8 I can't seem to have much success with Ballinions, but it could just be my strategy. This is ideally set up for TH8, and has a two minute shorter training time as well as two free barracks for donating, so I may be a bit more inclined to use this army. I suppose we'll just have to see.
Balloons will kill defenses while minions sweep up at the endQuote:
Originally Posted by AllWhoYonderAP
drags will be dumb and get killed by arch towers and air def
I also have done pretty well with my TH8, using 6 Dragons, 40 Minions, 3 Rage (ideally, use 1-2 per raid). I got to just over 2400 trophies before I ran out of steam - now comfortably farming in Crystal 2.
I was looking pretty hard for a good base to raid, as I was pushing trophies for the challenge but also to collect a lot of loot while doing so.
The main thing about a minion-heavy army, is that a bunch can be taken out by air bombs, and/or wiz towers, and it's hard to predict when your minions might bunch up during the raid, and even some abandoned looking bases can still have bombs that haven't been trigered yet.
4 Dragons might be enough; I use 6 mainly because I've only had 3 barracks at level 9 (last one finishes in about a day). So on a big session, I've had to wait an hour between the last raids. My search time could be as much as 20 minutes, and some sessions I'd just raid twice, so 6 dragons was quite manageable, and I make profit in all three resources (elixer waxes and wanes, but I can make an elixer profit if I focus on it).
Give it a try, and as you gain trophies you'll start to see what balance works best for you. Based on what little I saw, I do think Crystal 1 could be hard work, though...
LvL 6 balloons are allot better than 5, though 5 is passable for the strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forte
Basically balloons are great, early game and than suck for a long time in the middle
You have to be patient and clear out some outside buildings.Quote:
Originally Posted by StanDadVille
Correct. For Dragons and Minions, if you put some minions either side of the dragons, they help channel the dragons towards the centre. Watch Ruthless Barbarian's video on youtube ("DAM"), towards the end he shows it in action, and that's basically the same strategy I've used on many many dozens of raids now. Be careful of air bombs though - don't just dump lots of minions at once, try about 3 in initally, then deploy more (use multiple fingers to deploy many at the same time).Quote:
Originally Posted by Flip
For a lot of TH9 bases (and under-developed TH10, or TH10 with burned out inferno), this strategy works very well - you simply use a rage or two, as required, to help the dragons get into the air defense(s) if it's pretty central and in danger of taking them out too quickly.
Note: some TH10 can actually be fairly easily 50% by deliberately letting your dragons circle the outside - notably, ones with active inferno towers in the middle, but with lots of buildings and collectors around the outsides. You just need a bit of practice in sizing up 50% vs the range of an inferno tower.
If using Dragons and Minions, ideally leave a few minions aside for the latter part, e.g. this morning saved about 6; the dragons had reached the centre but got killed by air def on the far side before they got the TH... so I sent the last minions down the same flight path, and most of my minions also died, but two managed to sit to one side, out of air def reach, and got me another star. Similar to clan castle and royal(s), they can also be used to pick off an extra building or two at the end, to get 50%.
I've finally got 4 level 9 barracks, so will try 4 dragons + 60 minions soon, and see if it can still get me trophies + loot (I'd like to save some more elixer, and have plenty of DE). Will post results here in a couple of days.
Very descriptive analysis. I tried my first go earlier today, and almost miserably failed(I can't try the whole thing because I have a DB down). My biggest error was in seeing this as a bust to the core army: it is not. Potentially in weak bases you can by focusing them(destoy around a group of buildings until they reach the meat, then deploy a single drag and minions in quanta) get to the core, but this seems more of a 1-2 star army than a pummeler.Quote:
Originally Posted by hastur
I'm trying GoWiPe tonight for the first time, to have something to compare.
You should keep archers in the CC to pick off outside buildings before sending your dragons in as to help the drags enter the center of the base
I leave my archers in the castle, and my King in reserve, to deploy in the end if I need a few extra % to get a one-star. Not every attack goes to plan, and there's nothing more annoying than getting around 48% and having nothing left to deploy.
I would say, based on using this for a few weeks now, that Draogns and Minions is a fairly simple army to deploy and use, but it is not failsafe and it does require some practice in using succesfully. The key points are:
- select the right base! (ideally: 3 air def max, air def near the edge, air def low level, xbows level 1 or pointed down, infernos well away from target area or empty).
- do not just dump your minions and dragons in without thinking about exactly how they will behave - experience is the key here, especially when it comes to when and where to put a rage spell, but also the clan castle can actually help by getting your troops to chase whatever comes out (archers or wizards are fine - your troops will swoop in and get them pretty quick, then probably be closer to the TH).
I love GoWiPe, it's really fun when it works, but have switched to Dragons and Minions because I think it's more reliable especially if you are not gemming troops because a good GoWiPe is much slower to build and also it tends to leave a lot more loot behind when you only have 200 troop slots and 3 spells. Certainly I think using GoWiPe requires more skill and experience to use succesfully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forte
With Dragons and Minions, I can usually go raiding with only 1-2 rage spells brewed, a clan castle, and my king only sometimes... I only feel vulnerable if I have 1 rage and no king, otherwise I can find a base to raid in Crystal 2 that offers about 95% chance of success, and decent loot, in a reasonable search time (i.e. less than 20 minutes of searching). When using GoWiPe, I found I reallty needed my king, and at least 2 rages, plus clan castle, for every raid, and typically 2 pekka was too light I'd rather have 3 maybe even one more in the castle and that's not the kind of raid I can do every time in a session without gemming barracks.
Anyway, I'd love to hear another's thoughts, most GoWiPe I've seen is all TH9 or TH10 with maxed out gollems, archer queen etc... it's not the same when you are TH8 - the peeps in my clan who use that kind of troop mix are all well below Crystal level so are not usually putting them up against tough bases...