I think that would just over burden mod staff already doing a volunteer service.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterCal
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I think that would just over burden mod staff already doing a volunteer service.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterCal
I thought of that, I just wanted to know if it was possible to do so on vBulletinQuote:
Originally Posted by Warios
They won't need burner accounts, they have off-topic. Those guys will just find an irrelevant post elsewhere and up vote each other for a pure nonsense post.Quote:
Originally Posted by 842
Off-topic doesn't have the up/down vote option & probably for this reasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Martvol
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Originally Posted by Martvol
That is why they go to regular forum and give an irrelevant post an up vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saleh47
I vote for the downvote option to be brought back.
Looks like the majority wants the downvote back. Super majority wants at least the upvote to stay.
Hi gets a little explanation about the update manager
Yes, it does look that way until one looks at the standard error and margin of error (95%). Still the mods will need to verify poll results , specially for duplicates/triplicates.
Yes in a world full of cupcakes and rainbows you would have people up-voting the same as down-voting on an equal level. However, once you have grey hairs and are wiser you realise there are more people out there that are not positive and will only focus on the negative. When is the last time you were complemented by some random person? Downvotes are just simply going to create drama in our forums. We don't need people giving a down-vote for simply expressing their opinion. Its nonsense we don't need it. If someone is going to be a troll or what have you on the forums, simply report. I don't think people need to be walking on pins and needle. As I mentioned before, without downvotes, people will feel that have the freedom of writing without having John Smith on their back downvoting because they have a difference in opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by AresMars
If they do make down-votes happen. There should be a report frivolous down-vote/up-vote so a moderator can see what occurred. If the perp had repeated frivolous down-votes they get an infraction.
But it's you that's focusing on the negative. Because the system was tried for weeks and the reality was that the upvotes massively outnumbered the downvotes. It seems that there are in fact more people that are positive than negative.Quote:
Originally Posted by prosper12
When's the last time you were insulted by some random person? People that I have never seen before in my life, in my experience, are more likely to say something kind than something harsh. In fact, even in day to day life, people I know or people I don't, very few actually harsh or rude things are said compared to jokes, compliments or otherwise benign comments. Maybe there's a generation gap in here that's putting us in two different worlds, but the people in my town are, in general, decent people.Quote:
Originally Posted by prosper12
In the FRS we saw something similar. More upvotes given than downvotes. More superfluous upvotes given than superfluous downvotes, at that.
Yesterday I had someone up vote me for a post I made 3 weeks ago! That's pretty cool. Not sure why some want to focus on the negatives and not the positives....
I would prefer having only the option to upvote. I don't think downvote is needed here.
bcoz in my views people use downvote for make other personality bad in other eyes
If the FRS went away tomorrow, I would not lose any sleep. That said, I think the forums became a bit better place for the first month. That was the time of the up vote and down vote. I think the civility of the forums dropped a bit again when the down vote was removed. In the first month of the trial period, I never down voted anyone. If lines were crossed, I just reported the post and moved on. This last month, I have seen a lot more posts that I would down vote if the FRS still had down votes.
At the end of the day, the Mods have far better access to information to make the call on how the forums will move forward. I'll be fine with any decision they make. I personally think if the FRS stays we need the down vote. But, that is just my opinion. I respect others that disagree. But, I never could verify thier claims of systematic down votes.
My only concern in all of this is new people. I've said this many times, so I apologize if I'm boring you with my story of how I came to these forums. But I came here to specifically ask if people would think it was rude, or if I would hurt people's feelings if I attacked them. :facepalm: I was so terrified when I started clash that I bought extra shields because I didn't want to offend anyone. I had been a forum lurker for a little while but I guess this was so important to me that I finally had to create an account to ask.
I was nervous as heck and I very tentatively asked my question and truthfully was a bit flushed and teary eyed waiting for the response. Was just sure I was going to be ridiculed to no end. And you know what? People were amazing. They were sweet and helpful and talked me through things and gave me things to watch to help me. They supported me all the way through my first attack and honestly....they are the reason I stuck around on these forums and gave them a chance. I had one jerk call me a 'diaper baby', but everyone else was fantastic and even jumped on him publicly for doing it. And look at where I am today. Had that interaction gone any differently I would have run from these forums and never returned. Thinking it was full of mean people who treated others badly. And I would have missed out on truly the best experiences and people I have ever had or met in my life. (And you guys would have missed out on a couple of fun contests too. :smirk:)
So i wonder now how that would have gone had the reputation system been in place. How would that have affected me if a bunch of people who thought I was silly or a 'diaper baby' had the option to make me feel bad without ever having to post anything to me publicly. I have received 1 downvote since this started and it didn't even make any sense. Was definitely not any kind of personal attack as it had nothing to do with anything I had done. But it still made me feel weird.
So I think as a brand new person...nervous to break into a well established community...I may very well have walked away if I received some bad comments and downvotes. These are the only people I worry about in all of this. Yes, new people come in and ask the same questions that we've all seen a hundred times or think they have a brilliant idea that has been already stated over and over again. But remember.....you were once that new person coming in here that was asking those same questions. Or at least wondering about it. This place was all brand new to all of us at one time or another and it would be devastating to have missed out on most of the people here just because any of you were made to feel bad when you first joined by asking a 'dead horse' question or something silly like I did. And how could it even be proven that a new person came in, got downvotes simply for the question they asked or their opinion, and just left immediately because of it? We may have missed out on another holps! Can you imagine?! ;)
I don't know what the solution is, and you can bet that there will be very deep discussions about it. But all of your feedback is appreciated and necessary and whether you are for or against it....I think it's wonderful that so many people care so much about making our forums a better place.
(Sorry for the length :smirk:)
Raindragon, I don't envy the mods making a decision. It is a tough call. I would say, in general, the tone of forums has turned down a bit more negative since you started and the down vote could help. I totally get it may also make potentially great community member decide not to post with the FRS in place.
How do youfeel about quid pro quo up votes? Say, someone thought something was "funny" and metioned it in thread. First person up votes the note that said it was "funny" and the second upvotes the "funny" post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jwp721
I think some people are giving out random upvotes to any random post they see, just to shorten the time until they can give positive reputation to their 'inner circle of friends"Quote:
Originally Posted by Martvol
Fair enough, but a bit of an exploit to the system
I would upvote you for this well thought out post but as i have semiretired from the forums now you will just have to take an old fashioned way of saying nice post, well thought out...... Oh, let the record show i have the pleasure and honor of clashing in the same clan with the raindragon but the post does represent quality content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raindragon
Don't know. I have probably done it. lol. I am all about giving the positives, but going to very carful about the negatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martvol
It sounds to me like you would've received one down vote and several upvotes. Then after you were politely thankful for the advice you were getting, you would've received even more upvotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raindragon
I hope you have your facts straight but in a real world more people out there will focus on the negative. In this trial you mentioned, was the upvotes counted when the downvotes were removed from the system? If not that is why you are seeing more upvotes than downvotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnyxDS
No its not better and you looking at banned players and thinking all of them deserved it is crazy! The system they use is another system to suppress the opinions of people they see fit. There is a reason they refuse to tell the public why someone was banned. In the end it's their site and they are free to do whatever they want but that doesn't change the fact that most of these bans are a product of opinion suppression.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnyxDS
Why should you be able to judge others? What gives you that right just because it is your opinion that their opinion is vulgar? Maybe you simply don't like the way a certain person behaves because of your own personal opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilISuppose
What you are voting to have is a way for a majority to silence those who don't agree. You don't see it because you don't want to see it.
I don't think they ban people for opinions. I am still here. Usually the posts that get people in trouble are deleted or modified by the Moderators. If it was a toxic post, you can't leave it sitting around. You can disagree with SC all you want as long as you are polite about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziaka
I wouldn't be sure on there being that super majority as there may be a large number of the downvote majority who hold the view "both or nothing", so if offered only a vote between upvote only and nothing would vote nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by FearElemental
I agree with this. If the only options were upvote or no vote, I would opt for no FRS. Good without bad isn't really good IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Tomville
the problem is there are really no signifant punishment for having a low rep. They should give infractions or something for every 10 downvotes. if im posting stuff i would be like: go ahead and downvote, so what?
i agree with him, since I see no harm in leaving at least upvotes active. I'd prefer to have downvotes as well, but receiving upvotes is very rewarding, and giving upvotes is a great way to thank the person for helping me with some useful info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomville
But they AREN'T BEING SILENCEDQuote:
Originally Posted by Ziaka
They've been judged by their peers to be making comments that require negative feedback.
Until they can moderate their behaviour to NOT do things that require negative reputation feedback.
They can still comment on the forums, they can even continue along in the same negative vein, they just don't get to effect others' reputation. Seems fair enough to me.
Their ability to use and comment in the forums is not effected at all.
There is NO AMOUNT OF NEGATIVE REPUTATION that results in removal of your ability to participate in the forums.
You really think that if this became part of the system that the players with the WORST reputation wouldn't be periodically checked on by the forum moderators?Quote:
Originally Posted by kevs926
You can bet it would be a tool in their arsenal.
Not sure on this, in terms of whether or not it would be needed absent any complaint to a mod of unjustified negative rep voting.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilISuppose
One thing we did see in the trial in at least 3 cases was a correlation between rep heading towards subzero and turning up with status "banned" shortly afterwards. The connection would be that those with a history of behaving so as to attract a string of active infractions are probably also likely to be a jerk in lesser neg-rep-worthy ways on their way to being tossed out the door for a final infraction-worthy offence.
Whoa whoa whoa. I doubt anyone is getting banned for their opinions being different from the masses. Id be willing to bet its the way those opinions were voiced and the reactions to the masses who did not agree were the real reasons for any bans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziaka
I'm still undecided. On the one hand this system does leed to less toxic posts, on the other hand just one ill advised post can get you down votes so much quicker than you get up-votes for thoughtfull posts, and the down-voting can be used as a 'revenge' for unfriendly posts or for simply not sharing the same point of view. Haven't voted yet.
Have Fun
TS
I agree. Although I like the negative rep system as it does encourage people to think before posting there has to be some limit applied to the amount of neg rep received per post (it may already be there?) This will prevent 1000 angry forummers downvoting an individual post enabling the poster to correct their ways in future posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by TullSadum
i do believe that during the first half of the trial, the forums were a more pleasant place to be and the amount of toxicity was reduced
Dont like it...personal opinion
Well, you can scroll down to the bottom of the screen and click Full Site, then you'll get the rep system on each post :)Quote:
Originally Posted by STRIKER44
Agreed. Upvote without downvote is simply a participation trophy with no real meaning or consequence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomville
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Originally Posted by saxxonraider
Sax you are showing your age. 'Participation' trophies and general patting on the back for learning to tie your shoe laces is what it's all about nowadays. :smirk:
hehe i find it funny how the posting in req system discussion makes people collect more upvotes
some comments are: agree...
so upvoting because agree is fine
downvoting because don't agree is not?
isn't it a poll ? just choose the option from 3 given. no, people need to convience the others to change their opinion and those who share the same opinion upvote each other....funny. seems the egg hunt
But that's the whole point - I don't really think they all deserved it. Or even if they sort of deserved it in a sense of breaking forum rules in some way 5 times over several years the response seems excessive and bureaucratic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziaka
I don't like the huge number of people banned from the forum - some of whom had been posting for years beforehand. Some opponents of downvoting are insistent that reporting to mods is a better than downvoting - but I think are glossing over the consequences of that which is "... so that mods can ban them". Because that's basically all the mods can do - ban immediately or give an infraction which is 1/5 of a ban.
And that's the advantage of having downvotes - it gives a way for the community to moderate the behaviour of the members without continuously running to the mods asking them to ban people. I personally don't see reporting someone to the mods as preferable to downvoting them - unless they are obviously trolls who are likely to be irredeemable.
There is no better argument needed to bring back the full reputation system than this post below
https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...-general-forum
I think posts from BEFORE the rep system trial began should not be given option to up vote or downvote on those, as they may be random from years ago and people may have become more mature on the forums. I haven't heard of that happening but rep should only be available for the posts after Feb 21
Its called "Electioneering". Somewhat similar to "Engineering". Not since last November have I seen such intensity. Peeps wanted change then and change they got. It has a tendency to bring out the good, the bad, and the ugly. None the less its the best read so far in the forums and that includes the update thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by AresMars
I'm all for the full reputation system. From my point of view it's either all the way, or nothing. I find it very interesting that nearly 50% of the polling community wants either no reputation system, or a reputation system with no downvote.
As of now the results across all 4 games are.
Boom Beach:
15 vote lead to delete the system.
Hay Day:
18 vote lead to delete the system.
Clash Royale:
91 vote lead to keep the system of both negative & positive votes.
Clash of Clans:
129 vote lead to keep the system of both negative & positive votes.
Thanks for voting. Now it's time to look at the results.