Balloon Needs To Be Balanced.

Before You Think what's the point of this idea ,
I will tell ,

We had a war , where most of their th9s are without queen.
Also we had solid maxed th9 and 9.5 bases.

It's around the war end and they 3 starred all our th9s without queen.
And there army was LaLoon , they just had a K.S for killing cc , and a spam laloon army and their kings were around 20.

Now the thing is , what should we say ? Th9 is using a th10 troop OR Th10 is using a th9 troop ?
I think We should say th9 is using a th10 troop because th10 also 3 stars using loons but needs to be strategic in this case.


And Here's Idea Request :
Level 6 and above balloons needs to be balanced ( a little decrease in their stats ).
Level 7 balloons at th10 ( it would make a little easy for th10 laloon army after maxed th10 )
and we should wait sometime for lvl 8 loons :)

Imo I think balloons are already balanced; they make up for their slow speed in dps. Reducing the stats will make them unviable in either MM or CW. I'm guessing that your th9s were probably not defended properly against LaLoon attacks.

It's normal for all the th9s and 9.5s to be 3 starred by th9s... If spam is working on all of your bases then the problem more likely lies with your bases.

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Originally Posted by 842

It's normal for all the th9s and 9.5s to be 3 starred by th9s... If spam is working on all of your bases then the problem more likely lies with your bases.

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Yep. There are anti loon bases out there.

They are quite OP agree but they should not decrease the stats because I'm also upgrading them to spam.

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Originally Posted by femiairboy94

Imo I think balloons are already balanced; they make up for their slow speed in dps. Reducing the stats will make them unviable in either MM or CW. I'm guessing that your th9s were probably not defended properly against LaLoon attacks.

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Originally Posted by 842

It's normal for all the th9s and 9.5s to be 3 starred by th9s... If spam is working on all of your bases then the problem more likely lies with your bases.

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Originally Posted by Tollboothwillie

Yep. There are anti loon bases out there.

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I wish i could upload video.
anyways ,
talking about th9s m it's difficult to 3 star without queen.
well , if it's a 3 star then it's a close 3 star ,
but not with loons , most of the loons were still alive

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Originally Posted by rishi2001

They are quite OP agree but they should not decrease the stats because I'm also upgrading them to spam.

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They are not OP. They are strong. There is a massive difference.

And, to the OP: we get that it takes less effort for you to call for a nerf than it does for your clan to re-do their bases but that does not mean that calling for a nerf is acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Aspex

They are not OP. They are strong. There is a massive difference.

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yeah , OP things don't fail actually ,
but strong things do if we drop them randomly

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Originally Posted by DeadPoool

yeah , OP things don't fail actually ,
but strong things do if we drop them randomly

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It's not hard to defend against loons. Just fix your bases so they ads aren't so symmetrical. I see attacks with loons fail every day.

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Originally Posted by 842

It's not hard to defend against loons. Just fix your bases so they ads aren't so symmetrical. I see attacks with loons fail every day.

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nope ,
they made anti air , bows Up , A.Ds at the right position

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Originally Posted by DeadPoool

nope ,
they made anti air , bows Up , A.Ds at the right position

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Well you seem to be beyond help. Good luck to you then.

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Originally Posted by 842

Well you seem to be beyond help. Good luck to you then.

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lol thats why i created this thread

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Originally Posted by femiairboy94

Imo I think balloons are already balanced; they make up for their slow speed in dps. Reducing the stats will make them unviable in either MM or CW. I'm guessing that your th9s were probably not defended properly against LaLoon attacks.

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I agree, if your base had alot of air defence in core and xbows set to ground that base is awsome for laloon. Could also be they are laloon specialists.

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Originally Posted by prosper12

I agree, if your base had alot of air defence in core and xbows set to ground that base is awsome for laloon. Could also be they are laloon specialists.

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Spammers are not specialists. Though i can say the base was well developed , couple air skellies and air bows

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Originally Posted by DeadPoool

Spammers are not specialists. Though i can say the base was well developed , couple air skellies and air bows

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Are you trying to say anyone who uses laloons isn't skilled but just a spammer?

If that's true then maybe you need to understand the difference, a spammer drops everything and hopes for a 3 star. A skilled player studies the base and drops troops in the right place for a 3 star.

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Originally Posted by Tollboothwillie

a spammer drops everything and hopes for a 3 star. A skilled player studies the base and drops troops in the right place for a 3 star.

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yes , they dropped everything , with a random spell drops

Ehmm, I just noticed, how long have you been on this forum ? Because you should know that troop ideas go to Troop and spells requests :D

And I am fine with balloons

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Originally Posted by SMAEL

Ehmm, I just noticed, how long have you been on this forum ? Because you should know that troop ideas go to Troop and spells requests :D

And I am fine with balloons

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I am also good with Loons the way the are. You guys need to change up your bases ASAP! oh and by the way; I love your perception of a spammer lol too funny.

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Originally Posted by Tollboothwillie

Are you trying to say anyone who uses laloons isn't skilled but just a spammer?

If that's true then maybe you need to understand the difference, a spammer drops everything and hopes for a 3 star. A skilled player studies the base and drops troops in the right place for a 3 star.

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Originally Posted by DeadPoool

yes , they dropped everything , with a random spell drops

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Now would be the right time for you to drop 5-6 of those attacks so we can see what we are doing wrong in wars? ;D I really want to see those attacks :D I mean I really want to see those attacks :D

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Originally Posted by SMAEL

Ehmm, I just noticed, how long have you been on this forum ? Because you should know that troop ideas go to Troop and spells requests :D

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ah , read carefully : """New"" Troop & Spell Ideas


and i don't think balloon is a new troop

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Originally Posted by DeadPoool

ah , read carefully : """New"" Troop & Spell Ideas


and i don't think balloon is a new troop

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I think all troops and spells should go there

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Originally Posted by SMAEL

I think all troops and spells should go there

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But not specified !!
You can ask for this idea in ' forum talks '

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Originally Posted by DeadPoool

yes , they dropped everything , with a random spell drops

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Then you have a bad base design if a spammer can 3 star you.

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Originally Posted by DeadPoool

Before You Think what's the point of this idea ,
I will tell ,

We had a war , where most of their th9s are without queen.
Also we had solid maxed th9 and 9.5 bases.

It's around the war end and they 3 starred all our th9s without queen.
And there army was LaLoon , they just had a K.S for killing cc , and a spam laloon army and their kings were around 20.

Now the thing is , what should we say ? Th9 is using a th10 troop OR Th10 is using a th9 troop ?
I think We should say th9 is using a th10 troop because th10 also 3 stars using loons but needs to be strategic in this case.


And Here's Idea Request :
Level 6 and above balloons needs to be balanced ( a little decrease in their stats ).
Level 7 balloons at th10 ( it would make a little easy for th10 laloon army after maxed th10 )
and we should wait sometime for lvl 8 loons :)

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They move slow enough that it doesn't really matter. You guys probably had war bases that had the air defense on the outside

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Originally Posted by AwesomeA5925

They move slow enough that it doesn't really matter. You guys probably had war bases that had the air defense on the outside

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this. air d on the edge makes me happy

I do lavaloon attacks on my TH9 almost very war and I 3 star over 90% of the time. My attacks might appear to be spammed but they aren't. I use Cast n' Blast's Queen Pop attack strategy. It works very good. What appears to be spammy is actually a very calculated balloon deployment.

But since you've said your clan has tried anti air bases with xbows up and yadda yadda and you still get 3 starred by balloons, maybe the truth really is that your bases just aren't that good. I know it sucks but just because you can't build a strong anti air base doesn't mean they should nerf the troops that are causing you problems. What happens if they do nerf balloons? Will you be on here calling for them to nerf the next troop composition that you get 3 starred with again?

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Originally Posted by Tollboothwillie

Then you have a bad base design if a spammer can 3 star you.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeA5925

They move slow enough that it doesn't really matter. You guys probably had war bases that had the air defense on the outside

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not at all

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Originally Posted by Morober

Will you be on here calling for them to nerf the next troop composition that you get 3 starred with again?

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why should i ?
the thing i saw is what is reality ,
3 star over all our th9s using laloon even without queen ,
how can you it can't be nerfed

Good bases design exists against this strategie. We have 3 in our clan actually. 1-2 stars 80-90% of the time against LaLoons spam strategie. But create other weakness against other compositions.


The main concept behind was:
- Sorcerer towers farm
- Air blower placement are really important
- Good pathing
- Optionnal, Air defense far from one another. Lava won't protect loons after the 2 first destroyed.


The main weakness was when all loons regroups together and hitted by sorcerers tower. To get them regroup, air blower placement and pathing are the most important part. Sorcerers towers can 4 strike them to death.


There's a exemple of this design. We don't use it, i didn't test it, but the thinking was there.


Keep in mind that th9 are since the introduction and balancing of th11 the new th8 (spamming of drags destroy a th8 for 3 stars 95% of the time). In our clan for the last 8 months we do 3 stars 60-70% of the time against other th9...

I understand what you're saying but believe me, they aren't OP. They are very strong, yes I will agree. But in my opinion a troop that can't 3 star a well designed base by spamming a bunch of the troop isn't OP. Many of my clan members have watched lavaloon attacks and tried to duplicate them and fail. It appears spammy, but it isn't. If a base is symmetrical, or just very poorly designed, it's very easy to predict balloon pathing. That makes it incredibly easy to establish a funnel on the outsides to send in the balloons and place rages in the right spot and the whole parade of balloons will make it to all the critical defenses within a matter of seconds.

Another important factor is where the seeking air mines are. For me, I typically place all my seeking air mines in pairs and I place them by the inner air defenses. If you place them in twos they will get a lava hound close enough to dead that it will only live another 2-3 seconds and die. So if you place a red air bomb nearby, it might just hit the hound and kill all the pups as well. The reason I place them near the inner air defenses is because that's where lava hounds move forward and the balloons won't necessarily be directly behind them. This gives your air defenses a chance to destroy the lava hounds before the balloons catch up.

Yes I totaly agree balloons are a bit OP and dragons aswell in lower th, they are a guaranteed 3 stars.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeA5925

They move slow enough that it doesn't really matter. You guys probably had war bases that had the air defense on the outside

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That's what rage and haste are for.

I think a slight drop in the hastes speed may fix the loon problem, seems like the loons may be just too fast under hastes and wont be ruined from a small decreas in speed.

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Originally Posted by Tollboothwillie

That's what rage and haste are for.

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Originally Posted by Jalen1744

I think a slight drop in the hastes speed may fix the loon problem, seems like the loons may be just too fast under hastes and wont be ruined from a small decreas in speed.

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yeah , specially haste makes a lot difference ,
I have seen in hog attacks , they can easily dodge Gb's when hasted while running .
and for loons , easy dodge to wiz towers and infernoes/xbows maybe

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Originally Posted by DeadPoool

yeah , specially haste makes a lot difference ,
I have seen in hog attacks , they can easily dodge Gb's when hasted while running .
and for loons , easy dodge to wiz towers and infernoes/xbows maybe

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So now you want haste nerfed as well as loons?
Stop asking for nerfs based on nothing other than your clan's base designs.

I dont think balloons need to be balanced. As everyone said its probably just a base problem or that they are a war clan with lots of experience using lavaloon. It would be possible for them to 3-star other TH 9s as long as they haad the skill to use the strategy,

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Originally Posted by Aspex

So now you want haste nerfed as well as loons?
Stop asking for nerfs based on nothing other than your clan's base designs.

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:thumbsup:

All I want to see from loons is they should have archers in them to fire a defences as they approach targets. Or like baby dragons it attacking a target alone they get raged.

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Originally Posted by Aspex

So now you want haste nerfed as well as loons?
Stop asking for nerfs based on nothing other than your clan's base designs.

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i never said haste needs to be nerfed.
Just talking about the aspects i saw