My pro-engineering opinions

Ah sandbaggin, a person playing something that is way more skilled than they should be. Not really an insult if there is truth to the claim. Before Vike comes a charging at me, I gotta say, sandbagging isn't the proper term to blanket engineering. As someone that was found guilty of sandbagging, and don't like engineering, can't call it bagging.

However, I will say that there are individuals that due meet the sandbagging mark. These players are very skilled attackers that are using the engineering path for easier matchups for getting huge win streaks. This is sandbagging in my opinion. Not an insult, just a term to describe the situation at hand. Then there is the other type of individuals.

The other engineering player is a terrible attacker. Couldn't attack their way out of a wet paper bag, let alone their equal. So they use engineering as kinda of a handicap to enhance their attacking ability. This person wouldn't qualify for sandbagging.

So, I will agree calling all engineers sandbaggers is on the insulting side, but there is nothing wrong with calling an individual a sandbagger if there is truth to it. I use to paintball back in the day. Met up with some random guys that needed another player for their team in a tournament. Was a d5 level play. Did ok.

Formed a team a few months later and played in rookie level. Made it to finals. However, I was recognized by another player and found out I disqualified my team on sandbagging. Pleade my case to the head tourney judge that that was the only time I played that rank but it didn't matter. I played d5, we all play d5.

I was upset that I cost us the tourney, wasn't thrilled I got labeled a sandbagger, but never once was I mad about being called a sandbagger because it was the truth. It was my fault and I should have checked with the judges first. But intentionally sandbagging is an insult to all of us.

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Originally Posted by Kenchafer

Ah sandbaggin, a person playing something that is way more skilled than they should be. Not really an insult if there is truth to the claim. Before Vike comes a charging at me, I gotta say, sandbagging isn't the proper term to blanket engineering. As someone that was found guilty of sandbagging, and don't like engineering, can't call it bagging.

However, I will say that there are individuals that due meet the sandbagging mark. These players are very skilled attackers that are using the engineering path for easier matchups for getting huge win streaks. This is sandbagging in my opinion. Not an insult, just a term to describe the situation at hand. Then there is the other type of individuals.

The other engineering player is a terrible attacker. Couldn't attack their way out of a wet paper bag, let alone their equal. So they use engineering as kinda of a handicap to enhance their attacking ability. This person wouldn't qualify for sandbagging.

So, I will agree calling all engineers sandbaggers is on the insulting side, but there is nothing wrong with calling an individual a sandbagger if there is truth to it. I use to paintball back in the day. Met up with some random guys that needed another player for their team in a tournament. Was a d5 level play. Did ok.

Formed a team a few months later and played in rookie level. Made it to finals. However, I was recognized by another player and found out I disqualified my team on sandbagging. Pleade my case to the head tourney judge that that was the only time I played that rank but it didn't matter. I played d5, we all play d5.

I was upset that I cost us the tourney, wasn't thrilled I got labeled a sandbagger, but never once was I mad about being called a sandbagger because it was the truth. It was my fault and I should have checked with the judges first. But intentionally sandbagging is an insult to all of us.

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I wont come charging, like I said I'm tied into a pretzel and unable to operate on this topic due the the chriss engineering-sandbagging paradoxxx, if you gonna blame the matchmaker for engineering and say dont be mad at engineers, you cant say blame people using sandbag as a way to quasi insult within the forum rules, as that would be in principle hypocritical, and my only option would be to complain about the forum rules, which is agains the forum rules, which would again make complaining hypocritical.

So I wont be charging anywhere.

Meh, supercell is missing seeing the forest due to the trees. A matchmaker with a gaping exploitable hole drives people out of the game, because they do not have the desire or time to make multiple engineered accounts to get a fair match up. when you drive out all the regular players the people who create the 5,10, 20 engineered accounts to win, will decide they dont want to play against only the leftover engineers and the matchmaking war portion of the game will collapse. I dont blame players for exploiting a gaping hole that supercell created when they addressed .5 but ignored min/defenseless. It is what happens when the players with the time and desire to win find a surefire path to success,

But hey maybe the update will address this or they will finally put some staff towards making tournaments like the forum one they just did to replace regular war matchmaking. But I have my war stars and am opted out of war.

someone quote about CWL...
what's the difference when dipping still exist ..??

I spent long time reading all comments.
Also i spent much time with coc email responces in past.
Every time i complained them about engineering that just said wait plz we r doing to make it better. They never said its illegal or cheating. And when i wrote them that i am also going to make engineered account. They didnt say anything to make or not.

I am very clear that engineering is fair as upto now what the matchmaking is.

Instead of spending time in arguing with each other we should find ways to convince sc that the current system is not fair and needs change.

Also iguess that there would be some other sort of complains after the update. Obviously not everyone can be satisfied.

You can call it "engineering", sandbagging, or go nuts and call it smurf-herding - but in the end we're all still waiting for sc to fix a very exploitable part of their game. I sincerely hope they do something about it soon. I don't know if I can do another multi-year stretch like we had(?) with modders

The one thing we all want, from bilbo sandbaggins to old man maxin', is for even, fair play wars.

Since sc employees grace their forums about as often as humans visit the moon, I'm considering launching balloons with little notes attached. Anyone think gofundme will work with this "balloon parade"?

Fingers crossed for the next update.

I knew this thread would be a flame war, even with editing the original title. Some folks just cannot help themselves when it comes to this topic. It's funny how I call myself a sandbagger and get laughed at by some for....insulting myself? That is laughable.

Bandorf, Tank, and nerf were having an excellent, non-confrontational exchange on the issue, and an individual or two decide to say it's insulting.

Good grief. This forum depresses me sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Johnnyfsullivan

I knew this thread would be a flame war, even with editing the original title. Some folks just cannot help themselves when it comes to this topic. It's funny how I call myself a sandbagger and get laughed at by some for....insulting myself? That is laughable.

Bandorf, Tank, and nerf were having an excellent, non-confrontational exchange on the issue, and an individual or two decide to say it's insulting.

Good grief. This forum depresses me sometimes.

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Ironically, with the insults in the constructive way, you have to admit you do gather viewpoints others bring on this matter. Be it from Pro and Anti, some have the opposite of the expected opinions from ethically and legitimately fair. I read the thread for the most part and can see where it came to the current conclusion and see the unexpected turns here and there.

Doesn't necessarily add much of value to the OP's post, but it does make some realize in the broad aspect, if you will.

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Originally Posted by xXXCHRISXXx

Yes...
Example: You're cheating me out of fair wars.

Example: You're a cheater cheating me out of fair wars.

Which would you consider being used as an insult. It's pretty obvious to me.

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Clearly, both are insulting.

Now, what might meet the definition of sandbagging are clans of low-level alts of high-level players warring against other low-level clans. E.g., top base is TH7, rest are weaker, none engineered. These players are highly skilled, and are doing things with their perma-TH5s that first-time TH5s have never dreamed were possible. Most TH5s are noobs who have been playing the game for about a month and think giants + archers are a good war attack.