offense is op at th9 and below, and an attack strategy we are using

Ladies and Gents,

Offense is preposterously op at th9 and below. The loon change makes almost any th9 simply pentable, is that a word?

We are having essentially total success against any th9 or 9.5, anything that isn't a built up th10, with a really really dumb attack strategy. Its a penta-loon, but you burn 1 hound and a few loons as a "lure squad", basically you send in X loons and 1 hound, almost always the CC hound (the level 4), with a goal of luring the CC, maybe triggering some traps, and killing some defenses and 1 air D.

This creates nice pathing for the quad-hound attack to follow, you simply burn the royals to kill the CC troops (and 5 archers) and then carry on with the rest of it. The queen is simply ignored, even if level 30+, if you can get good pathing and an air D, and a few defenses, the queen just eventually dies somehow. Its sloppy, it wouldn't make jaek from juanhives channel as a super pretty raid, and it essentially never fails. Loons are so op, you end a raid typically with so many up, eventually they just bomb her and thats that. Or pups, or loon drops, or god knows what, sometimes shes still alive as the 3 star is registered. But to deal with her does require those 5 hounds, 4 + the cc hound for the lure squad.

I'll say our success rate on max d th9s or 9.5s is 90% or better with this strategy.

fwiw

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Originally Posted by Humbob

Ladies and Gents,

Offense is preposterously op at th9 and below. The loon change makes almost any th9 simply pentable, is that a word?

We are having essentially total success against any th9 or 9.5, anything that isn't a built up th10, with a really really dumb attack strategy. Its a penta-loon, but you burn 1 hound and a few loons as a "lure squad", basically you send in X loons and 1 hound, almost always the CC hound (the level 4), with a goal of luring the CC, maybe triggering some traps, and killing some defenses and 1 air D.

This creates nice pathing for the quad-hound attack to follow, you simply burn the royals to kill the CC troops (and 5 archers) and then carry on with the rest of it. The queen is simply ignored, even if level 30+, if you can get good pathing and an air D, and a few defenses, the queen just eventually dies somehow. Its sloppy, it wouldn't make jaek from juanhives channel as a super pretty raid, and it essentially never fails. Loons are so op, you end a raid typically with so many up, eventually they just bomb her and thats that. Or pups, or loon drops, or god knows what, sometimes shes still alive as the 3 star is registered. But to deal with her does require those 5 hounds, 4 + the cc hound for the lure squad.

I'll say our success rate on max d th9s or 9.5s is 90% or better with this strategy.

fwiw

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Loons are definitely strong right now. I've been doing a similar strat called Queen Pop on my mini account & it's a fun attack that lets my pipsqueak 10/10 heroes 3 star a max TH9... if the layout is not too good. I've had fails in farming raids & will take a pass on bases where someone actually put thought into the AD placement.

TH9 isn't really high level game play, anymore though. It's getting close to what TH8 has been for the last several years: the first TH level where you can play around with different strategies, but one where a really experienced player will almost always 3 star. Despite the supposed OP-ness of loons, I see plenty of fails.

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Originally Posted by ChiefTuk

Loons are definitely strong right now. I've been doing a similar strat called Queen Pop on my mini account & it's a fun attack that lets my pipsqueak 10/10 heroes 3 star a max TH9... if the layout is not too good. I've had fails in farming raids & will take a pass on bases where someone actually put thought into the AD placement.

TH9 isn't really high level game play, anymore though. It's getting close to what TH8 has been for the last several years: the first TH level where you can play around with different strategies, but one where a really experienced player will almost always 3 star. Despite the supposed OP-ness of loons, I see plenty of fails.

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Yeah, I'd agree with this. I see so many th9 attacks fail using supposedly OP one-size-fits-all attack strategies...Loons are the current fotm, and yes an elite player will 3* most of the time vs most th9 bases, but the OP is either misremembering b/c his success rate is so high, or he's a solid player who could also 3* th9's with goho, or hghb, or govaho, or any of a half dozen strategies with 3* potential at th9 right now.

why isnt the th9 hit rate in cwl 100%??

This is basically what my clan is doing, either queen pop or straight up penta without thought. This is why I scratch my head when people say TH9 is fun/diversity/strategy. They even claim you need to max multiple armies and have good heroes for war. My accounts have 0/0 heroes and still score many 3 stars against maxed TH9s and 2 stars against maxed TH10

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Originally Posted by SinOfDusk

This is basically what my clan is doing, either queen pop or straight up penta without thought. This is why I scratch my head when people say TH9 is fun/diversity/strategy. They even claim you need to max multiple armies and have good heroes for war. My accounts have 0/0 heroes and still score many 3 stars against maxed TH9s and 2 stars against maxed TH10

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How do I see this 100% hit rate 9v9 with no heros?

Yes it is an op strategy...in skilled hands only. I very much doubt that for the average clashers, the success rate vs max th9 is higher than 20%...

This reminds me the same discussion about th8 should be destroyed by dragons...yet in reality, from what we experience in our clan, the success rate is less than 50%...

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Originally Posted by ryryshouse

How do I see this 100% hit rate 9v9 with no heros?

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I haven't seen the hit rate for TH9 v TH9 for this season, but it was way up after the loon buff last season. There are obviously differences between the quality of layouts in CWL vs most random spins. Players that will mindlessly 3 star common Internet bases will have more challenges facing a well designed custom base layout.

Ry, you really need to think before you post, unless your intent is to lob pointlessly inflammatory bombs into every thread. Take a look at my post. In the hands of a skilled & experienced player, TH9 is becoming a very easy 3 star. If a base is too focused on stopping the loon attacks described here, it's going to be vulnerable to something else. It's getting pretty close to trying to make a TH8 that can defend all of the comps available to max TH8 (you can't). It's not easy for players coming in to TH9 for the first time, but neither is any other TH. I see TH9 turning into a stepping stone to serious play at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if CWL is TH10 & up the moment TH12 comes out.

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Originally Posted by CheckMate99

Yes it is an op strategy...in skilled hands only. I very much doubt that for the average clashers, the success rate vs max th9 is higher than 20%...

This reminds me the same discussion about th8 should be destroyed by dragons...yet in reality, from what we experience in our clan, the success rate is less than 50%...

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Now, that's a sensible post! I suspect certain people using CWL as an example would scoff at anyone suggesting TH8 is an enduring challenge, but it's a challenge for players coming in to it for the first time. TH8 has a good balance for what it is: a stepping stone to higher levels.

I actually agree with Ry about TH9 being reasonably balanced. I probably disagree with him about it being a challenge for experienced players.

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Originally Posted by ChiefTuk

I haven't seen the hit rate for TH9 v TH9 for this season, but it was way up after the loon buff last season. There are obviously differences between the quality of layouts in CWL vs most random spins. Players that will mindlessly 3 star common Internet bases will have more challenges facing a well designed custom base layout.

Ry, you really need to think before you post, unless your intent is to lob pointlessly inflammatory bombs into every thread. Take a look at my post. In the hands of a skilled & experienced player, TH9 is becoming a very easy 3 star. If a base is too focused on stopping the loon attacks described here, it's going to be vulnerable to something else. It's getting pretty close to trying to make a TH8 that can defend all of the comps available to max TH8 (you can't). It's not easy for players coming in to TH9 for the first time, but neither is any other TH. I see TH9 turning into a stepping stone to serious play at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if CWL is TH10 & up the moment TH12 comes out.

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You make up stuff I didn't post to fit your narrative lol. Then accuse me of thread dumping? Hello there kettle!

We got a thread where a dip specialist says 9 is too easy ; yet we have no proof. The only facts we can find are cwl hit rates. Unless you have some other way to track it. The cwl hit rates mostly ensure players aren't hitting Internet style trophy bases with 15 /15 heros and grape walls, but they are indeed hitting 69k and higher bases at 60-70%

All I asked is where I can see these amazing no hero attacks on maxed th9 as sin and op state, as I would like to hit 100% with my 9 as well . I figure these amazing attacks are YouTube somewhere ?

Last time I played a base through 8, I think I only hogged with cc bowlers and hit pretty close to 100% while I was there. Far cry from th9. But I do think the next slight offensive buff will tIP 9 and make the landing spot for permabasers who war