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April 14th, 2017
rwelshjr

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Originally Posted by Chuckt

1) We don't.
2) Veterans don't opt out and some have not shown up.

Now that I have the Champion's hat, it is easier recruiting new players.

Don't invite me to your clan. I may purposefully not show up after one war.

If a person fails to opt out and doesnt attack then how do they ever become veterans? Thats one of the reasons everybody here can tell your clan has bad leadership.

Anyone that thinks being a Champion makes a guy a good leader has no concept. The Champion badge is only attractive to the hopper types that figure it means a source of troops to snap up. Good members are the ones that are there because they believe in you not ones you bought. As soon as the honeymoon period is over those guys are gone. And since they know the clan is trash they wont respect it to act decently while they are there either. Most of us can get to Champion any time we want but we dont because we know its not important. A badge is not power in of itself. Forget power, learn leadership.

Your little challenge at the end is another thing that shows what you dont understand. Our guys would not let you into a war where you could pull that stunt. Not without putting in a lot of time proving yourself that I sense you would not pass. If you did invest the time and effort to fake it long enough and then leave in the war the clan would have a plan to cover your absence (we always do with guys not established) and you would simply not be allowed back. Stuff like that is called good riddance.
April 14th, 2017
Chuckt

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Originally Posted by Roas

So you want to play on more then your own account? Spent their resources?
This gets a hell no from me, I would not want to have that power or let others play with MY account.

But lets view this from another angle. In my clan I got one player who is lightyears ahead of the rest in terms of how good he can attack. We promote him to leader (the rest of don't show for the war) so he do all the attacks from our side, would this still be fair to you? The matchup is the same, but the players behind the matchup isn't.

Now here is the question: "Why do you put players in your wars that don't show up for their attacks?"

* Anyone that has the "new" in their profile, should never ever be put in a war. That weeds out most of the non-attackers.
* Make sure that the "new" member is active every day until his "new" disappears. this take care of more of the non-attackers.
* Just ask for who is ready for war and not relaying on the opt-in/out (If the clan isn't well run).
* And don't take anyone that doesn't donate troops (and request troops)
* Do a lot of friendly challenges so you get a feel for how good people are. (Make sure others also do challenges, it keeps the clan active and builds on your skills)
* If you get a wrong vibe about a player, then trust that vibe and let the player wait on the bench for a match or more.
* Make sure that people are active before you put them in wars

Other people do have a lot more to add, but this should cover the basics. Oh yeah did I say that "new" members should never be put in wars.

All of the members that are currently listed in our clan have donated troops except for one or more that have opted out and they still play.
All of the members that did not attack in war are not new users.
Players that are not new and who have asked to be in war through chat have at one time or another not showed up.
The players that have not shown up have done friendly challenges.
The reality is that life is more important for a lot of players than a game playing with strangers.
All of the users are still active or I would have booted them except for one that lost his account, we know about it and we don't put him in war.
April 14th, 2017
Chuckt

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

If a person fails to opt out and doesnt attack then how do they ever become veterans? Thats one of the reasons everybody here can tell your clan has bad leadership.

Anyone that thinks being a Champion makes a guy a good leader has no concept. The Champion badge is only attractive to the hopper types that figure it means troops to snap up. Most of us can get to Champion any time we want but we dont because we know its not important.

Your little challenge at the end is kind of stupid. My clans leadership would not let you into a war where you could pull that

I don't boot players for not being perfect. They are not perfect and I don't consider any of you perfect.
My definition of veteran is different than your definition of veteran.

veteran
any person who has been expierenced in a certain area for a long period. mostly used in terms of war.
April 14th, 2017
Aspex

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Originally Posted by Chuckt

I don't boot players for not being perfect. They are not perfect and I don't consider any of you perfect.
My definition of veteran is different than your definition of veteran.

veteran
any person who has been expierenced in a certain area for a long period. mostly used in terms of war.

So showing for war is optional for your long term members? No wonder new members do the same or just leave when they see how the clan is (not) run.
April 14th, 2017
Chuckt

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Originally Posted by Aspex

Your clan has a culture that allows not honouring the opt in/out status, that allows members to not show up for war. What do you expect to happen?

WRT your ludicrous request to be allowed to use members' accounts to attack in the last stages of war, this will never be allowed. Account sharing is strictly against the ToS and always has been. As you say that you only want to do this in the last stages you would probably need to gem the armies for the attacks which would be theft, pure and simple.

Have you ever considered making yourself 9 minis and forming a solo clan? Then, the only person you would need to be capable of assessing would be yourself.

If a player didn't want me spending his elixer, I would get away with it a couple of times until they realized it and stopped opting in war. It would solve the problem really quick. Players would then make sure to opt out. Problem solved.

A user here accused me of being part of the problem for not doing anything about it.
I suggest this change for the last hour of war.
Who is not doing anything about it? I made the suggestion. I ask all of you to honor the change so we can do something about it.
April 14th, 2017
Chuckt

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Originally Posted by Aspex

So showing for war is optional for your long term members? No wonder new members do the same or just leave when they see how the clan is (not) run.

I treat players as human beings. We don't try to bully them even though I have booted people.
I think that a lot of your rules would sour friendships. We would rather play with friends we know than strangers.
Therefore your rules would not work with a lot of our friends because it would sour the clan.
Because we treat human beings as friends, we have participation with friends and players that might not otherwise play Clash of Clans.

My choices in life give me value in life. Your choices are for you and not for me. Your choices would not give my life meaning or value. Listen very carefully. I did not say you don't have meaning or value and neither did I imply it. I'm sure you are a very valuable person.
April 14th, 2017
Aspex

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckt

If a player didn't want me spending his elixer, I would get away with it a couple of times until they realized it and stopped opting in war. It would solve the problem really quick. Players would then make sure to opt out. Problem solved.

A user here accused me of being part of the problem for not doing anything about it.
I suggest this change for the last hour of war.
Who is not doing anything about it? I made the suggestion. I ask all of you to honor the change so we can do something about it.

Your proposed changes are game breaking and illegal in a large part of the world.

You are doomed to forever be in a hell of your own making as you seem to have no capacity to comprehend what is said to you, instead choosing to insist that the world must change to suit you.
April 14th, 2017
rwelshjr

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Originally Posted by Chuckt

All of the members that are currently listed in our clan have donated troops except for one or more that have opted out and they still play.
All of the members that did not attack in war are not new users.
Players that are not new and who have asked to be in war through chat have at one time or another not showed up.
The players that have not shown up have done friendly challenges.
The reality is that life is more important for a lot of players than a game playing with strangers.
All of the users are still active or I would have booted them except for one that lost his account, we know about it and we don't put him in war.

none of that is a reason for being opted in and then not showing up. if their life is too busy for war then opt out, its a simple thing. Being opted in is a voluntary committment to the team that they will fully participate. A person should only opt in if they know they can and will keep that committment. If they have any doubt (like if their schedule looks tough next couple days) then they should opt out. It should never be a problem being opted out, it should be unlimited no problem If they are under any pressure to be in war then its no longer a voluntary committment so a leader should never pressure.

guys that make promises to the team and dont keep them should be kicked. Period. If thats not being done then there is no accountability and thats a leadership problem.

These are things you need to learn to do if you really to intend to try continuing as leader.
April 14th, 2017
Somethingnotalreadypicked

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Originally Posted by Chuckt

If a player didn't want me spending his elixer, I would get away with it a couple of times until they realized it and stopped opting in war. It would solve the problem really quick. Players would then make sure to opt out. Problem solved.

A user here accused me of being part of the problem for not doing anything about it.
I suggest this change for the last hour of war.
Who is not doing anything about it? I made the suggestion. I ask all of you to honor the change so we can do something about it.

Asking SC to completely change the game to suit you is not doing something about it. That's just lazy.

There are literally hundreds of thousands of clans that don't have this problem. That should tell you that it's an internal clan problem and not one with the game.

You have created this problem in the clan yourself and your lack of understanding that and you're lack of action (despite the countless post with good advice from clans that don't have your problem) prove that you are a poor leader.

You want to know why you can't recruit and hold good players look no further than yourself
April 14th, 2017
Aspex

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Originally Posted by Chuckt

I treat players as human beings. We don't try to bully them even though I have booted people.
I think that a lot of your rules would sour friendships. We would rather play with friends we know than strangers.
Therefore your rules would not work with a lot of our friends because it would sour the clan.
Because we treat human beings as friends, we have participation with friends and players that might not otherwise play Clash of Clans.

My choices in life give me value in life. Your choices are for you and not for me. Your choices would not give my life meaning or value. Listen very carefully. I did not say you don't have meaning or value and neither did I imply it. I'm sure you are a very valuable person.

No one is suggesting that you bully people or treat them as less than human. What everyone has been saying is that, if people wish to stay in a well run clan, they need to meet the rules and requirements of that clan and behave accordingly. Your clan does not set that expectation so, unless your clan culture changes, will always be facing the problems that you complain about. You have chosen your path, stop complaining about the consequences of that.

BTW, my clan leader booted his own brother-in-law. It did not sour the relationship in the slightest, ditto for various members' friends and relations that have come and gone due to their unreliability.

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