Thoughts on lopsided villages in Clan Wars

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Originally Posted by xXXCHRISXXx

I agree, there is better conversation elsewhere. I know townhall matching wouldn't work. I simply reminded Sin of the actual problem. Facing townhalls higher, not someone that's the same townhall as yourself, just more progressed.

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Dorsan just started a killer thread, in sure hes given maxers a little buff somwhere, but i cant see were yet and it looks like a really interesting idea.

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Originally Posted by SinOfDusk

Yeap, 88% win rate and still complaining. This is why I really hate most anti-engineers, they complain but then say they have 85-95% win rate, so what's the problem here? If you are winning so many matches, obviously there is something going very right in the matchmaker to stop these players from winning 100%

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This is very true but applies to both sides of the debate. Any clan that's competitive, puts together a decent group with decent attacking ability, can start rocking 15+ win streaks. When the snap comes, they haven't lost for a full month and that's long enough to forget how to take it gracefully, and they've got at least 23 hours to stew about it until the next war starts. Victory has become the natural order of the universe, and deviation is clearly the work of sinister forces.

We see the same attitude from engineers constantly too, especially the ones in the closet. I recall one particularly long-winded gentleman who rage-quit war when he could no longer rely on winning war on prep day. And I've gotten into several very long, very heated threads where someone complaining about those damn engineers turns out to be running lots of very heavy .5s. Their fury at the matchmaker failing to always provide them with an edge is surpassed only by their anger when someone points out their top base with a level 20 warden but no eagle.

But yes the fact that a non-engineered clan can run a 90% green log is evidence that the MM isn't as broken as many think.

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Originally Posted by Chang405

Why should a day old Th9 be matched against a fully maxed Th9 and if that match did happen the day old Th9 has every right to complain even if its "being matched to their own townhall level".

Hard to be at a disadvantage at your town hall level if you are a permamax Th9 eh?

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A day old 9 should be matched to a similar 'day old' th9. Why should a maxed base be matched to a day old 9? You're thinking maxers are seeking an advantage, I assure you we're not.

We are in the same boat OP. Fingers crossed this issue is addressed in the next update. IMO a townhall with maxed out offense (regardless of defenses) should be matched with at least a mid level townhall of the same level. This would allow 0.5 to a point to assist with growing pains of a new TH but not the blatant MM exploitation of defenseless bases.

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Originally Posted by xXXCHRISXXx

A day old 9 should be matched to a similar 'day old' th9. Why should a maxed base be matched to a day old 9? You're thinking maxers are seeking an advantage, I assure you we're not.

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If you assume perfect matching is possible, that works and I don't see any excuse for SC to not do it. But given a limited pool of warring clans, base diversity, roster diversity, and strange game mechanics that follow from stapling a cooperative war game to a solo tower defense game, I think they've got a big hairball on their hands trying to balance everything.

I agree. I have heard the Super Cell is going to address the engineered bases in the big update coming. Can someone from SC let us know if this is true? I have not accepted engineered accounts in my clan. Trying to stay balanced. It would be nice for SC to let us know so we can adjust accordingly.

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Originally Posted by TankSinatra

If you assume perfect matching is possible, that works and I don't see any excuse for SC to not do it. But given a limited pool of warring clans, base diversity, roster diversity, and strange game mechanics that follow from stapling a cooperative war game to a solo tower defense game, I think they've got a big hairball on their hands trying to balance everything.

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exactly this, if perfect maching is possible no need to bring the townhall into it, if its not possible, bringing the townhall in gives perma maxers huge advantage, and since the pool is even smaller, the mismatches will be very severe.

Iether perfect matching is possible, in which case it will occur faster without townhall limiters, or its not and then townhall limiters simply buff maxers. Which for many of those who like the system is the point.

the equivalent would be if offensive rushed engineeres said, hey, lets use defensive strength st the first matching criteria, lets first ensure the in lane match has defence no more than 3% higher or lower than my own! Then we match on offence, but we match very close so it wont mean engineered get an advantage, wink.

come on guys.

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Originally Posted by WastingGems

We are in the same boat OP. Fingers crossed this issue is addressed in the next update. IMO a townhall with maxed out offense (regardless of defenses) should be matched with at least a mid level townhall of the same level. This would allow 0.5 to a point to assist with growing pains of a new TH but not the blatant MM exploitation of defenseless bases.

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OK, but even admitting your premise, how do you define max offense? And midlevel? Or code an appropriate check given that such bases aren't likely to be tops in their clan? (If anything, impossible to be tops given the definition.)

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Originally Posted by sinfiery

We need clan war tournaments wherein you are faced with equivalent TH breakdowns without worry about war weight.

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Is that the sweet sound of logic I hear?

Oh sweet mystery of life, at last I've found you!

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Originally Posted by wysiwyg

Is that the sweet sound of logic I hear?

Oh sweet mystery of life, at last I've found you!

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Why is it logical to base a bases defence and offence ability, and with it assing it a weighting, based on something which has no dps, and very few hitpoints considering the village as a whole. Why not base the weighting on the told storages then? Or war stars? Or XP level?