Remove the Lightning Spell Completely

No, this isn't about DE. Or not entirely. It doesn't happen to me all that much. It did earlier on when DE first came out, but I adjusted primarily by climbing to a point where people didn't want to risk losing trophies by only using lightning spells. Besides, there are enough threads here about people raging about how good (or low and cowardly) the technique is, so we do not need one more thread.

However, in many recent attacks, I have had more and more people use 4 lightning spells to take out two of my mortars. This got me thinking.

The lightning is a spell that does not involve or require troops to be in play. As such there is no defense at ALL for this spell. It takes no skill to use, and there is no amount of skill or base design that can defend against it.

A rage spell requires proper placement, timing, and being used with the right troops. Skill is needed.

A heal spell requires proper placement, timing, and being used with the right troops. Skill is needed.

A jump spell... well, I still laugh when people use it. Sorry, but it's just funny to watch and have never seen it actually help win an attack. Sorry, I mean: it takes proper placement, timing, and being used with the right troops. Skill is needed.

A freeze spell requires proper placement, timing, and being use with the right troops. Skill is needed. Now you may think, a freeze spell does not involve dropping it on your troops, so negates my 'all spells need troops' idea. However, what happens if you drop freeze spells without any troops? Absolutely nothing.

TL;DR Summary:
I believe that all spells should need troops in play to be used, and as such, the Lightning spell should be removed from the game, or converted over to require troops to be nearby. This could include your own troops, or an opponent's CC troops that you lured into a certain spot before deploying the lightning.

Discuss.

discuss? where do you think you are? lol

srsly i agree the lightning spell can be annoying but i dont want it removed from the game...

They take half an hour to cook and cost 20,000 gold at least to make roughly. So if someone uses 4 then they have to wait another 2 hours for another set. It does need strategy, and it's part of the game.

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Originally Posted by TheLastClan

discuss? where do you think you are? lol

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Yes, I realize the futility of trying to actually discuss something on this forum, and am assuming this will degrade quickly with lots of insults of my intelligence, skill, or poor parentage. lol

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Originally Posted by Chadamus

No, this isn't about DE. Or not entirely. It doesn't happen to me all that much. It did earlier on when DE first came out, but I adjusted primarily by climbing to a point where people didn't want to risk losing trophies by only using lightning spells. Besides, there are enough threads here about people raging about how good (or low and cowardly) the technique is, so we do not need one more thread.

However, in many recent attacks, I have had more and more people use 4 lightning spells to take out two of my mortars. This got me thinking.

The lightning is a spell that does not involve or require troops to be in play. As such there is no defense at ALL for this spell. It takes no skill to use, and there is no amount of skill or base design that can defend against it.

A rage spell requires proper placement, timing, and being used with the right troops. Skill is needed.

A heal spell requires proper placement, timing, and being used with the right troops. Skill is needed.

A jump spell... well, I still laugh when people use it. Sorry, but it's just funny to watch and have never seen it actually help win an attack. Sorry, I mean: it takes proper placement, timing, and being used with the right troops. Skill is needed.

A freeze spell requires proper placement, timing, and being use with the right troops. Skill is needed. Now you may think, a freeze spell does not involve dropping it on your troops, so negates my 'all spells need troops' idea. However, what happens if you drop freeze spells without any troops? Absolutely nothing.

TL;DR Summary:
I believe that all spells should need troops in play to be used, and as such, the Lightning spell should be removed from the game, or converted over to not effect buildings at all, only troops.

Discuss.

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I agree with you 100%

taking away the lightning spell would be terrible if they took it away they would get every one to lose all the levels they purchased for lightning spells that would make A LOT of people ♥♥♥♥♥♥ like hell

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Originally Posted by Hamius

They take half an hour to cook and cost 20,000 gold at least to make roughly. So if someone uses 4 then they have to wait another 2 hours for another set. It does need strategy, and it's part of the game.

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Waiting 2 hours is no strategy:) and if they take it out it wont be part of the game:)

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Originally Posted by rardriar

taking away the lightning spell would be terrible if they took it away they would get every one to lose all the levels they purchased for lightning spells that would make A LOT of people ♥♥♥♥♥♥ like hell

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tough luck

Think about all the time you put into researching this spell... How would it make you deal if it just got taken away just like that...? It would ♥♥♥♥ me of same with a lot of other people. Making people quit.

I thin k this is. Horrible idea :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by rardriar

taking away the lightning spell would be terrible if they took it away they would get every one to lose all the levels they purchased for lightning spells that would make A LOT of people ♥♥♥♥♥♥ like hell

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Well, they have removed things before, or dramatically reduced prices, etc. before, so people would get over it eventually. I also did give another option to consider of making the spell not affect buildings, which would allow the spell to stay in the game. Or somehow only affect buildings that troops are near. Somehow troops need to be involved in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Hamius

They take half an hour to cook and cost 20,000 gold at least to make roughly. So if someone uses 4 then they have to wait another 2 hours for another set. It does need strategy, and it's part of the game.

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While two hours may prevent a non-gemmer from using mass lightning spells regularly, a 2 hour cook time is certainly not going to dissuade a gemmer the least bit.

This is the worst idea ive ever heard. SC will never take it out. At least think about the probability of things before posting things

this is a silly idea and supercell will never do it

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Originally Posted by rardriar

tough luck by the way you talk seems like your not high enough to get the spell factory or you don't have it yet

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I am lev 116. High enough for you? What about you?

Your point is valid, but dragons are annoying as well, lets remove them too?
It doesn't concern skill or usability, the things you sucrfice in order to earn other things is what counts.

If somene actually drops 4 LS to destroy 2 mortars, assuming the spells are min lvl4, he spent 80,000 gold for two defenses? quite silly, or useful according to your/other's bases.

It's a game, and this is part of the game.

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Originally Posted by DejaVu

tough luck

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the way you talk seems like you don't have a high enough town hall to get the spell factory or you just don't want to get it or you are not strong enough to get to defend against a couple of lightnig spells

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Originally Posted by PureAwesome

This is the worst idea ive ever heard. SC will never take it out. At least think about the probability of things before posting things

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So all those people that complained about how overpowered dragons were should have listened to you and not voiced their opinion? All those people that were being steamrolled by mass witches should have listened to you and not voiced their opinion?

All things are possible and even probable, if the opinion is shared by enough people. I understand you disagree and prefer they remain as they are.

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Originally Posted by lockdown529

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You don't need to alert us of your state of mind. It's obvious

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Errm... Thats pretty insulting... And it is interesting to see people discuss, even though i do think the spell should stay...
lightning does require timing when u throw it on archers in cc troops ;)

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Originally Posted by Apk2O13

Your point is valid, but dragons are annoying as well, lets remove them too?
It doesn't concern skill or usability, the things you sucrfice in order to earn other things is what counts.

If somene actually drops 4 LS to destroy 2 mortars, assuming the spells are min lvl4, he spent 80,000 gold for two defenses? quite silly, or useful according to your/other's bases.

It's a game, and this is part of the game.

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Well, dragons do require skill to use, as opposed to 'push a button and automatically remove two of an opponent's key defenses'. 80,000 gold is nothing for higher levels, and the 2 hour cook time is also of little deterrence. That was my point, there is not enough 'sacrificed' for being able to destroy two key defenses with no way to defend. Supercell keeps reducing spell cook times and cost, to where this is almost nothing.

As far as the 'sacrifice vs. gains' argument: What if they added a 'Automatic Three Star Win' button that cost 2,500 gems? Would people use it? Yes, yes they would! By your line of reasoning, because someone was willing to spend $20 to win a battle, should I think it fair and skillful if such a means for winning a battle existed?

I just read the title and here is my answer:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I think the only-effect-buildings-near-troops idea is pretty nice. It does take skill to lure cc troops onto a mortar and knock out both the troops and the building with two spells. If it were up to me, that's the route I would take.

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Originally Posted by Chadamus

Yes, I realize the futility of trying to actually discuss something on this forum, and am assuming this will degrade quickly with lots of insults of my intelligence, skill, or poor parentage. lol

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i was thinking of the fact you ended your post with the word "discuss", that is a bit strange...

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Originally Posted by DejaVu

I am lev 116. High enough for you? What about you?

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those points mean nothing to me only the maturity of your village when I ask if you are high enough I am asking about your town hall and there is no need to be so pushy

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Originally Posted by Baconman

I think the only-effect-buildings-near-troops idea is pretty nice. It does take skill to lure cc troops onto a mortar and knock out both the troops and the building with two spells. If it were up to me, that's the route I would take.

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Good thought, that I should add to the post: It doesn't have to be *your* troops that need to be involved. It could be the opponent's CC troops.

I have had to give credit to those that very skillfully bunch up CC troops on top of a mortar or AD and do both at the same time. I would gladly lose a mortar to lightning spells this way, since this takes hella skill to do!

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Originally Posted by Chadamus

Well, dragons do require skill to use, as opposed to 'push a button and automatically remove two of an opponent's key defenses'. 80,000 gold is nothing for higher levels, and the 2 hour cook time is also of little deterrence. That was my point, there is not enough 'sacrificed' for being able to destroy two key defenses with no way to defend. Supercell keeps reducing spell cook times and cost, to where this is almost nothing.

As far as the 'sacrifice vs. gains' argument: What if they added a 'Automatic Three Star Win' button that cost 2,500 gems? Would people use it? Yes, yes they would! By your line of reasoning, because someone was willing to spend $20 to win a battle, should I think it fair and skillful if such a means for winning a battle existed?

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super cell would never put in a 3 star win button for 2500 gems no one would tolerate it and people would stop playing

Guess what?
A LIGHTNING SPELL REQUIRES PROPER PLACEMENT, TIMING, AND THE RIGHT TROOPS SKILL IS NEEDED!

The lightning spell is already too weak and useless as it is. Waste of gold. I laugh when I see people use lightning on me :cool:
To take out a single mortar it takes 2 lightning spells. People ussually use 4 Lightnings. 4*20k+=80k+. And that is gonna be a huge gold loss to take out just 2 mortars.

Hahahaha. That's funny. 12 witches and 3 rages is pretty annoying too. 9 dragons or 30 balloons are annoying. Let's just take everything out of the game except goblins and maybe that will make all you "skillfull" players happy. It's part of the game so deal with it and adapt. And while we are at it, let's get the US Air Force to ground all B-2 stealth bombers cause they are totally unfair and unskillful. Get my sarcasm? :p

No No No No No No No. Opps almost forgot NO.

I want to ask the mods to close down this thread because it threatens the game play itself. Some people are new and they want to experience using a spell.
this ideas is as plain as dumb and lightning spell requires more strategy than you think.

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Originally Posted by TheRulingEmperor

I want to ask the mods to close down this thread because it threatens the game play itself. Some people are new and they want to experience using a spell.
this ideas is as plain as dumb and lightning spell requires more strategy than you think.

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Oh yeah tapping on the screen twice over a mortar requires massive amounts of skill and strategy.

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Originally Posted by Baconman

Oh yeah tapping on the screen twice over a mortar requires massive amounts of skill and strategy.

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It does take concentration. You have to tap on the mortar. Very complicated procedure and a high percentage of accidentally using the lightning on builders..

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Originally Posted by TheRulingEmperor

I want to ask the mods to close down this thread because it threatens the game play itself. Some people are new and they want to experience using a spell.
this ideas is as plain as dumb and lightning spell requires more strategy than you think.

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There is no reason to ask for a thread close. It's an idea, and there is a legitimate point here, so why not encourage the debate?

Personally I am fine with the lightning spell, not because it takes any massive amounts of strategy to use, but mainly because I don't see compelling evidence to remove it. Yes, it basically allows a player to choose one (or two) defenses to take out, but that's something that has been around for ages, and has been adapted to. You can't line up your mortars in a row in the middle of your base, because you know people will just take them out with spells. There are base deisgn possiblities (such as that) that are prevented by the lightning spell, so in a way in makes defensive strategy a little more interesting (see how boring it has become since the wbs got smart?).

No! No! No!

There has to be a better solution to lightning on DE and the lightning spell can get annoying, but but but...

It can't go! 😭😭😭

How about a retractable awning to protect the DE storages???

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Originally Posted by Baconman

Oh yeah tapping on the screen twice over a mortar requires massive amounts of skill and strategy.

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Oh shoot...u tapped on the wrong mortar and you attacked...what happened.....you didnt destroyed it!...
pi use lightning spell one per defenses and i let my troops destroy it....it gives me more damage than tapping twice

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Originally Posted by TheRulingEmperor

Oh shoot...u tapped on the wrong mortar and you attacked...what happened.....you didnt destroyed it!...
pi use lightning spell one per defenses and i let my troops destroy it....it gives me more damage than tapping twice

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I couldn't really make most of that out, but I think you said it requires strategy because you might misclick? And that you only use one light spell per building and let your troops finish it off?

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Originally Posted by Baconman

I couldn't really make most of that out, but I think you said it requires strategy because you might misclick? And that you only use one light spell per building and let your troops finish it off?

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Just the bottom part....
One lightning spell per defensive structure and the rest, my troops will do

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Originally Posted by lockdown529

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Originally Posted by PureAwesome

This is the worst idea ive ever heard. SC will never take it out. At least think about the probability of things before posting things

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Originally Posted by G4M3R

I just read the title and here is my answer:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Originally Posted by Chadamus

Yes, I realize the futility of trying to actually discuss something on this forum, and am assuming this will degrade quickly with lots of insults of my intelligence, skill, or poor parentage. lol

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Wow how right were you......
but to the idea well think about it......there are a bunch of people who uses lightning.....supercell doesnt do what is the best all the time they do what will make them the most money......if they remove it think about the flood of quittings...(even i might)

An invisible de shield would be better. This should be breakable and 'float' over a given area, not hindering ground troops but lessening lightning damage in a small area chosen (using a certain amount of skill) for defense. Should be no larger than 2X2.

I think 4 rages to use can wreck a base much harder than using 4 lightning's on 2 mortars.

Instead of a shield, how about a 2x2 hidden tower, similar to how the tesla works, the lightning rod. You might even make it a 1x1 to easily hide it.

Town Hall 7 required. Get a second at 9 or 10. Lowers all lightning damage in a radius of 4, by 20/30/40/50%. Level 1&2 would be silver rods, and available at TH7, 3&4 at TH8 & TH9 would be gold.

Protection are would be a radius of 3 or 4. That would make it so you can only cover one building in any direction. The tower would be absorbing the extra damage and would die from 2 lightning spells of the appropriate level.

This would make it take three lightning spells to kill a single air defense or mortar. Also TH7s would be happy for an entire week to get something new.

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I thin k this is. Horrible idea :rolleyes:

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I totally agree

Lightning spell doesn't require skill to use? It doesn't require proper placement and timing? Don't make me laugh. Have you ever drawn out the defenders clan castle troops and dropped a lightning spell on them? That one play alone neglects all the claims you make. There is a reason people use lightning spells on mortars.. not to just get a few percentage points. It is part of a strategy, if you think otherwise you obviously don't know how to properly use the spell. I am all for stating opinions but lets be honest, supercell would never remove the lightning spell. From this thread alone you can clearly see that the majority of people do not agree with this idea.

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Lightning spell doesn't require skill to use? It doesn't require proper placement and timing? Don't make me laugh. Have you ever drawn out the defenders clan castle troops and dropped a lightning spell on them? That one play alone neglects all the claims you make. There is a reason people use lightning spells on mortars.. not to just get a few percentage points. It is part of a strategy, if you think otherwise you obviously don't know how to properly use the spell. I am all for stating opinions but lets be honest, supercell would never remove the lightning spell. From this thread alone you can clearly see that the majority of people do not agree with this idea.

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Took the words right out of my mouth :p

why not a small 1x1 tower that attaches to a mortar or what ever you like that absorbs alot of the lighting spells damage?

No to this idea... Using lightning spells require too some skills... Deciding on which tower to wipe out and how troops will be deployed is very critical to winning a battle.... When to use them (on cc troops or beginning) do require some strategic thinking..... I see no urgent reason as to why this spells should be removed other than people annoyed by de lightning..... But in a way i'm quite okay wih that... Just before someone zap my de for 400de and i revenge them for 250k gold and 200de.. I think i won on that one...

Remove the lightning spell?
NO just no

TheEmperor wishes this thread closes quickly. The lightning spell is important in the game. Where would the tesla towers be then?
TheEmperor thinks that lightning spell is important.




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lightning spells are an important part of the game, stop whining

I saw a different post about being able to build lightning rods on top of your buildings!
I hate not being able to credit him but lightning rods absorb the lightning and maybe even give you something?
they wouldn't have to use that they give you something but at least make it so that you can build lightning rods to absorb lightning.

No. The lightning spell should be slightly weakened at most.

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Originally Posted by Kunmeh13

I saw a different post about being able to build lightning rods on top of your buildings!
I hate not being able to credit him but lightning rods absorb the lightning and maybe even give you something?
they wouldn't have to use that they give you something but at least make it so that you can build lightning rods to absorb lightning.

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I think a lightening rod of some sort would definitely be better than getting rid of the lightening spell. Maybe if you could place it on specific buildings, eg Dark elixir storage, mortars...
Great idea whoever thought of that (i think).

While I can see your point about timing. However disagree on the 'skill' element as you refer to an attacker taking our defences [as opposed to cheap DE bolts]

It still takes skill to take advantage of a base with one less mortar or whatever other defence is removed.

Terrible idea. Leave the lightning spell alone.

Make them implement my Anti-Spell Dome: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...nti-Spell-Dome and the problem of lightning will be solved. Somewhat. :P

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Originally Posted by bbehaghel

Errm... Thats pretty insulting... And it is interesting to see people discuss, even though i do think the spell should stay...
lightning does require timing when u throw it on archers in cc troops ;)

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Ya ok i was really mean when i said that i was just really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ off and i wasn't thinking.

Destroying mortars isn't the only way people use their lightning spells...there are many other strategies such as destroying ADs, killing CC troops, getting the last percent for 50%, and etc.

And if you lose with 2 mortars down, please go down in trophies, because your base isn't strong enough to go against TH9 with 4 spells.

This tread should be removed completely, not the lightning spell.

No Point In Lightning Strikes

The level 5 lighting spell deals 420 damage. I see you're concerned about cheap players using it to steal resources without skill, so let's examine the incentive to players to do this.

A level 11 Gold or Elixir Storage has 2016 HP. Four, level-5 lightning spells will deal 1680 damage, not enough to kill it. Now, that cost the player (who is TH9 because he has 4 spells) 88,000. How much gold did that gain? The player has Town Hall 9 if using 4 spells, so...

...against TH7, there is a 50% penalty. 99,000 gold is available per storage (2 at TH7, level 10) but the penalty makes that 49,500 gold. So spending 88,000 to do this would be foolish.

...against TH8, there is a 10% penalty so 89,100 gold is available. BUT THIS WON'T KILL THE STORAGE COMPLETELY. In fact, 1680/2016 = 83% (roughly). 74,250 gold would be netted this way, so spending 88,000 isn't worth it here either. By the way that's assuming they have only two storages. Most TH8s have 3, so 59,400 would be gotten from the complete destruction of the storage, but only 49,500 might be achievable through lightning.

At this time, I should point out that the progression is NOT linear. That is, x% damage to the storage does NOT get you x% of the available loot. It's a sliding scale. The first few hits don't take much, the last few take a lot more. How did I learn this? When someone dropped three lightning spells on my Dark Elixir storage and only got a quarter of what was available.

So even against a fellow TH9, spending 88,000 gold would only get you 41,250 and only 10% more against TH10, IF IT WERE LINEAR, which it is NOT, because SuperCell is full of computer programmers who know this stuff. I'd have to guess it's some sort of compound interest curve.

I suppose you could find a TH10 and (assuming a linear relationship) Get your 108,900, but that only profits 20,900 gold, and shooting out a gold mine with 1 archer can get you that in 2 minutes instead of 2 hours. Should we get rid of archers then?

And let's examine the gem route. It costs 80 gems to prepare 4 lightning spells instantly. According to the wikia, http://clashofclans.wikia.com/wiki/Gems, the highest amount of gold you can get from lightning, 49,500 (too high because non-linear), would cost 69 gems.

So gems or not, no matter what your TH, it's just not worth it to use lightning as a cheap way to gain gold. Maybe you can willingly trade gold for elixir or dark elixir, but it's easier to raid or cheaper to just buy it with gems.

What Lightning Is Actually For
1) Remove ONE critical target. At the TH8-9 level of play, many defenses--when raised to the appropriate level--can withstand three or even four lightning hits (Air Defenses take three, Inferno Tower 1 takes four, Inferno Tower 2 survives all 4 hits.) Maybe you can get two of three mortars but a TH9 would still have at least level 6 walls and FOUR Wizard Towers to deal with the bunched-up troops.

2) Mass Kill Clan Castle Troops. So, your 12-18 Giants are tearing up the defenses when all of a sudden, 15 barbarians just cut all the Giants down. Giants don't resist being attacked when there are defenses around, so they just helplessly deal less and less damage as a group until the pack, and your hopes, are dead. Unless of course you can drop lightning and kill them all at once.

3) Rare: Finish Off A Critical Target. So before you can deploy the Dragon that Air Defense HAS to go. Your archers have just about got it killed when CRUNCH! A Mortar shell lands and crushes 20 little tiny Archer heads. You can't deploy the rest of the ground troops, the cannons will get them and you'll have no one to pick up the loot before time runs out (Giants are sssslllloooooowwwww). So, ZAP! Finish it off with a lightning spell and unleash the beast.

So the Lightning spell is a valuable tool that can save your raids if you have the skill and timing to use it properly. And some people do occasionally hand you 20 trophies and drop 3 lightning spells on your gold storage. Those are new players who "just wanna see what would happen" and as soon as they see the math, they'll knock it off.

A jump spell... well, I still laugh when people use it. Sorry, but it's just funny to watch and have never seen it actually help win an attack. Sorry, I mean: it takes proper placement, timing, and being used with the right troops. Skill is needed.



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Umm mature

Well if can't beat them join them. See the strategie required to use lightning properly yourself.

I always use lightning spell so i very not agree if it remove

Omg no!!!!!! What would lower level players do without it! It really affects the battles at there level!!!

i guess that is a good point

But i dont want the spell to be removed. It could be useful for ourselves. Instead we should have a new tower called an umbrella tower, which would spring up and block nearby buildings from being electrocuted. Also, this could be useful to defend mortars so there should only be one for everyone.

The problem is too many players are demanding update straight away once they've maximised in their base. Pressuring the developers will not do any good, could result poorly unplanned scenarios or unbalanced levels within the base.

Everyone wants this and that in the game, well I want a coffee maker and a toaster! *Cough* don't mind the sarcasm.


Let the developers do their jobs and give them feedback about their update.

Click the sprockets in the game and do some report there too.

If you are saying to remove te lightning spell from the game because it doesn't have any defenses i defend it, neither does the freeze spell jump spell rage an healing.

They can't COMPLETLEY remove it from the game. It does require skill. You might not see it, but proper placement can take out the 2 building with 1-3 lightnings, when it can require 2-4.

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No Point In Lightning Strikes

The level 5 lighting spell deals 420 damage. I see you're concerned about cheap players using it to steal resources without skill, so let's examine the incentive to players to do this.

A level 11 Gold or Elixir Storage has 2016 HP. Four, level-5 lightning spells will deal 1680 damage, not enough to kill it. Now, that cost the player (who is TH9 because he has 4 spells) 88,000. How much gold did that gain? The player has Town Hall 9 if using 4 spells, so...

...against TH7, there is a 50% penalty. 99,000 gold is available per storage (2 at TH7, level 10) but the penalty makes that 49,500 gold. So spending 88,000 to do this would be foolish.

...against TH8, there is a 10% penalty so 89,100 gold is available. BUT THIS WON'T KILL THE STORAGE COMPLETELY. In fact, 1680/2016 = 83% (roughly). 74,250 gold would be netted this way, so spending 88,000 isn't worth it here either. By the way that's assuming they have only two storages. Most TH8s have 3, so 59,400 would be gotten from the complete destruction of the storage, but only 49,500 might be achievable through lightning.

At this time, I should point out that the progression is NOT linear. That is, x% damage to the storage does NOT get you x% of the available loot. It's a sliding scale. The first few hits don't take much, the last few take a lot more. How did I learn this? When someone dropped three lightning spells on my Dark Elixir storage and only got a quarter of what was available.

So even against a fellow TH9, spending 88,000 gold would only get you 41,250 and only 10% more against TH10, IF IT WERE LINEAR, which it is NOT, because SuperCell is full of computer programmers who know this stuff. I'd have to guess it's some sort of compound interest curve.

I suppose you could find a TH10 and (assuming a linear relationship) Get your 108,900, but that only profits 20,900 gold, and shooting out a gold mine with 1 archer can get you that in 2 minutes instead of 2 hours. Should we get rid of archers then?

And let's examine the gem route. It costs 80 gems to prepare 4 lightning spells instantly. According to the wikia, http://clashofclans.wikia.com/wiki/Gems, the highest amount of gold you can get from lightning, 49,500 (too high because non-linear), would cost 69 gems.

So gems or not, no matter what your TH, it's just not worth it to use lightning as a cheap way to gain gold. Maybe you can willingly trade gold for elixir or dark elixir, but it's easier to raid or cheaper to just buy it with gems.

What Lightning Is Actually For
1) Remove ONE critical target. At the TH8-9 level of play, many defenses--when raised to the appropriate level--can withstand three or even four lightning hits (Air Defenses take three, Inferno Tower 1 takes four, Inferno Tower 2 survives all 4 hits.) Maybe you can get two of three mortars but a TH9 would still have at least level 6 walls and FOUR Wizard Towers to deal with the bunched-up troops.

2) Mass Kill Clan Castle Troops. So, your 12-18 Giants are tearing up the defenses when all of a sudden, 15 barbarians just cut all the Giants down. Giants don't resist being attacked when there are defenses around, so they just helplessly deal less and less damage as a group until the pack, and your hopes, are dead. Unless of course you can drop lightning and kill them all at once.

3) Rare: Finish Off A Critical Target. So before you can deploy the Dragon that Air Defense HAS to go. Your archers have just about got it killed when CRUNCH! A Mortar shell lands and crushes 20 little tiny Archer heads. You can't deploy the rest of the ground troops, the cannons will get them and you'll have no one to pick up the loot before time runs out (Giants are sssslllloooooowwwww). So, ZAP! Finish it off with a lightning spell and unleash the beast.

So the Lightning spell is a valuable tool that can save your raids if you have the skill and timing to use it properly. And some people do occasionally hand you 20 trophies and drop 3 lightning spells on your gold storage. Those are new players who "just wanna see what would happen" and as soon as they see the math, they'll knock it off.

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AMEN! Consider it as artillery and any "skillfull" general will know how important it is. Soften up the battlefield is a tactic used since ancient China...ever heard of a manuscript "The Art of War". I say make it stronger.

Lightning spell is good its a handy spell and not everyone uses it to get de

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It does take concentration. You have to tap on the mortar. Very complicated procedure and a high percentage of accidentally using the lightning on builders..

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Hell yeah. Fat fingers on an iPhone screen is a ♥♥♥♥♥. Nooooo! I just wanted to zoom in, not drop a spell! Aarrggghhhh. :mad::rolleyes::p

Taking out the mortars is part of the game and part of a stratigy u have to decide what u want to take out thats the skill needed good judgement so don't try to get it taken away just because you don't have multiple mortars and the ability to work without mortars

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What Lightning Is Actually For
1) Remove ONE critical target. At the TH8-9 level of play, many defenses--when raised to the appropriate level--can withstand three or even four lightning hits (Air Defenses take three, Inferno Tower 1 takes four, Inferno Tower 2 survives all 4 hits.) Maybe you can get two of three mortars but a TH9 would still have at least level 6 walls and FOUR Wizard Towers to deal with the bunched-up troops.

2) Mass Kill Clan Castle Troops. So, your 12-18 Giants are tearing up the defenses when all of a sudden, 15 barbarians just cut all the Giants down. Giants don't resist being attacked when there are defenses around, so they just helplessly deal less and less damage as a group until the pack, and your hopes, are dead. Unless of course you can drop lightning and kill them all at once.

3) Rare: Finish Off A Critical Target. So before you can deploy the Dragon that Air Defense HAS to go. Your archers have just about got it killed when CRUNCH! A Mortar shell lands and crushes 20 little tiny Archer heads. You can't deploy the rest of the ground troops, the cannons will get them and you'll have no one to pick up the loot before time runs out (Giants are sssslllloooooowwwww). So, ZAP! Finish it off with a lightning spell and unleash the beast.

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Nice summary. 3 can be extended to moving from 48% or 49% to 50% to 'win' a battle as well. Very important when pushing for trophies.

Oh you were serious about taking out the lighting spell...awkward... the funniest thing about this is that no matter who much you will build your case, trust me, it just isn't going to happen... Lightning spell takes a lot of strategy by the way, it need troops to be effective unless used on a Dark Elixir storage, which...OH, they raised its health various times to make it so that the 200 de isn't worth the 100k gold you probably have to spend on it.

Oh and by the way, the jump spell is VERY useful when there is a big funnel into the spot you want to attack, and with a rage spell used on top of it it is deadly(well at least with the right composition).

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Well, dragons do require skill to use, as opposed to 'push a button and automatically remove two of an opponent's key defenses'. 80,000 gold is nothing for higher levels, and the 2 hour cook time is also of little deterrence. That was my point, there is not enough 'sacrificed' for being able to destroy two key defenses with no way to defend. Supercell keeps reducing spell cook times and cost, to where this is almost nothing.

As far as the 'sacrifice vs. gains' argument: What if they added a 'Automatic Three Star Win' button that cost 2,500 gems? Would people use it? Yes, yes they would! By your line of reasoning, because someone was willing to spend $20 to win a battle, should I think it fair and skillful if such a means for winning a battle existed?

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Uh yes 80k is a lot to use for one battle if not trophy pushing
4 rage spells will kill up base anyway if 4 lightning will too

You do realize that SuperCell is NEVER going to remove the lightning spell completely. I thought that it just wouldn't be the first one unlocked, but seriously.Think of bronze. A bunch of level one barbarians at who are raging, or being healed just to destroy a Town Hall 3,4,5 base? The base would be completely annihilated. I don't think thats a good idea. And what about jump spell? Who needs to jump over level one walls? Freeze level four defenses? If you think low level, the lightning spell is the only spell that wouldn't be overpowered. And you still have to UPGADE IT. I think your forgetting that it takes a million elixer to upgrade the lightning spell to level 4, and then eight hundred thousand elixer get just three, let alone FOUR, lightning spells. So, the people who have five level five lightning spells have worked for it, and if it was taken away, where would they're resources go? It would have been millions of resources, MILLIONS, down the drain. And it would all have been for a person whos complaining just because he gets 100% sometimes in defense. Big whoop! The answer is no. NO!

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Instead of a shield, how about a 2x2 hidden tower, similar to how the tesla works, the lightning rod. You might even make it a 1x1 to easily hide it.

Town Hall 7 required. Get a second at 9 or 10. Lowers all lightning damage in a radius of 4, by 20/30/40/50%. Level 1&2 would be silver rods, and available at TH7, 3&4 at TH8 & TH9 would be gold.

Protection are would be a radius of 3 or 4. That would make it so you can only cover one building in any direction. The tower would be absorbing the extra damage and would die from 2 lightning spells of the appropriate level.

This would make it take three lightning spells to kill a single air defense or mortar. Also TH7s would be happy for an entire week to get something new.

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the lighting spell is aready weak enough don't need to add in an extra defense to make it even weaker by soaking up its damage

We just need a force field for our Dark Elixer storages. :rolleyes:
But bleh, everyone's adapted to the DE being zapped. Its just expected now.

well supercell already lowered the lighting spell damage because people just destroyed de storages don't need to protecet it any more

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the lighting spell is aready weak enough don't need to add in an extra defense to make it even weaker by soaking up its damage

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Lol. The lightning spell is hardly weak.

that got me thinking too. nowadays clan castle troops mean nothing, a lightning spell can take care of them.

but there has been a question, and the question is: is the game making raiding too difficult? if it is, we should keep the lightning spell.

Supercell should probably add another mortar and make it lvl 8.

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supercell should probably add another mortar and make it lvl 8.

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nope nope nope.

well I don't see why not? we already have a higher camp capacity, level 6 wizards, witches, golems, pekkas, it's probably better to add another mortar instead of having it level 8...

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well I don't see why not? we already have a higher camp capacity, level 6 wizards, witches, golems, pekkas, it's probably better to add another mortar instead of having it level 8...

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Having another mortar? Ummmm.. hellz no, but i think lvl 8 mortars are obvious... I mean the air defense and then the wiz tow both to level 8? surely the mortars and teslas(teslas l8r cuz they so damned OP) are gonna follow...

I like the spell too much :p

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I thin k this is. Horrible idea :rolleyes:

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Yes this is the staple arguement

I hear you and have had tht happen with air defenses and I only use it to kill enemy troops that are deployed in a defense but I get what your saying

This is the worst idea I've ever Heard on the forums!!! If you take away the lightning spell there will not be anything to take out the cc with.

No to taking away the lightning spell. No to adding a Lightning defence.

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This is the worst idea I've ever Heard on the forums!!! If you take away the lightning spell there will not be anything to take out the cc with.

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Lightning spell is just an easy way to deal with the CC. Troops can handle them also.

How about, no?

Remove completely? I don't think so.

It does not require skill to use, I agree, but taking it away completely is not necessary. Instead, here's my idea:

You can activate a shield type thing that covers a certain number of tiles, and it costs money to build and is useable for 1 attack. This protects the building you want against lightning.

Anti-spell domers ♥♥♥♥ and just deal with your de being zapped or your mortars being zapped. If your so sad about your "precious de" just get to th 9 and get de drills lvl 6. with both of em maxed, and you use your shields wisely, you will make de much much faster than a bunch of no-skilled idiots can zap all of it away.

Yep horrible idea, ppl use this spell to take out mortars or airfense or wiz tower. Then thats their chance to attack to attack so thats kinda already strategy for ya. And even i use lightning spell. I guess lightning spell is the first spell you can unlock because it helps "noobs" become a better player by taking put mortars and then attacking then winning a load of trophies. And alot of ppl might quit the game once the lightning spell is taken out, just saying

Don't remove my beloved lightning spell!

There is no way super cell is getting rid of this just suck it up its an amazing spell

I personally haven't used the lightning spell in a long time (and no I didn't zap de when I used to use it) but do not feel it's necessary to get rid of the lightning spell. Yes my de gets zapped and its annoying but the revenge is fun! Since I upgraded my storage as high as I could for th8 it doesn't happen as often. Plus when I compared two attacks, one from two nights ago and one from last night...

First attack
Dark elixer lvl 4 storage: available loot 1008 de
guy used 2 level 4 lightning spells
Got 225 de


Second attack
Dark elixer lvl 4 storage: available loot 948 de
Guy used lvl 5 troops giants, archers, barbs, gobs, wallbreakers, lvl 3 healers, and lvl 3 rage spell
Got to and destroyed my de storage
Got 948 de


Based on those stats I say lightning my storage but please take out my townhall too. I leave it outside and free shield will prevent skilled player from attacking me.

I can one-two star bases at Crystal II and lightning spells help me with that. Lightning spells do help and do need skill. For example, I know someone who got kicked from a clan for being confused at a play for dropping three lightning spells on an upgrading mortar. You need the right building to be broken. A freeze spell doesn't need that much skill actually, you go BOOP and everything's the ice age for six seconds. Whoop-dee-doo. Might as well add a Chuck Norris with an Excalibur Sword who drinks Gatorade and rides a dinosaur that has laser eyes.