Loot bonuses: old & new

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Originally Posted by Waaaaaah

I will risk dahimi going all logic on me and respond. I have played for almost a year, so I think I have a good basis to compare pre-ridiculous loot penalties to post.

I agree with your main point, that it seems the game punishes progression. It does. We all know that at this point and it does not seem to be going away. However, I remember back in October or November of last year I took a month break from the game as I had pretty much maxed out my base (yes I gemmed heavy) and got bored of the very repetitive attack/attack/attack/defend/repeat.

Getting to the point, I think the loot penalties delay that end-game sensation. Making us sweat and grind through upgrade after upgrade extends the game life and, in my opinion, keeps a lot of the player base playing instead of moving on to the next app.

So while I agree with you that I hate how progression is punished, I do think it does serve a purpose. Anyways, feel free to shred my argument.

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Your argument is tangential to mine. We aren't arguing loot penalties here. They serve an entirely different function. They lessen the impact of the game's major flaw which is that loot is not tied to progression in any meaningful way. A better base should mean that you are able to get more trophies. Getting more trophies should directly translate into getting more loot.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

This loot doesn't matter much because people in these trophy ranges typically already have stuff in their storages. Now maybe...and this is a big maybe...they could increase the amount we can loot from the storage cap, and if the resource bonus is actually sufficient it may help. That's a huge question though.

What it boils down to is you spend 30 minutes making an army...raid...get 200k + the bonus. Is that amount more than what I can get by raiding 150k-300k + a smaller bonus every 10-15 minutes in silver league? I maintain that it is not.

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Agree with this, and IMO the situation is even more dire since you would likely spend 45+ minutes (including hero regens, spells) making the army, which results in further skewing of results in high trophy ranges as compared to silver/gold leagues.

To me, the solution is to remove the caps from storages. This should ideally be tied to trophy count or leagues. Example, anyone beyond crystal/master leagues should have a much higher cap (300/500k?) than those in gold/silver (which can be the current 198k).

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Originally Posted by aznwarmonkey

I think for me personally I'll be parking at either Crystal III or Crystal II

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Obviously we don't know how this pans out until we see it. But I'm currently projecting that optimal TH10 farming is going to be in the 16-1700 range. Obviously, not everyone has to go where farming is optimal. But farming the prematures and abandoned bases will (I think) still be more profitable than climbing trophies.

I'm personally not bothered that the bonus likely won't incentivize me to climb in trophies. I enjoy the builder game and the farming efficiency game. I enjoy breaking bases like puzzles for maximal rewards with cheap troops rather than waiting on three hour army build times. Trophies have never meant anything to me, and competing with gemmers doesn't light my fire. I do think it's great though that some of the less motivated farmers may now be able to chase trophies with some small level of base progression. Or at least I hope the league bonus buff will achieve that.

Well, I can't argue with more 'free' loot, even a little dark for crystal is nice. I'd like to see what spell will cost but I'm tempted to hang around crystal more just for that. Even better if it means I can get a little more from TH8s up there. ;)

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Originally Posted by dahimi

It's not free loot if you have to lose resources to get it. Yes I might be able to sit in crystal league and make 700k an hour instead of 500k...or I can make a 1m an hour in silver league.

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I agree, and the change is unlikely to make me move up in trophies - it might filter down and increase the available loot, but initially, I don't think this will be the case.

There are other good things in the update, so I'll focus on them instead.

I can't wait i'm gold 2 i, i can't wait for the new loot bonus, thanks, it helps!

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Originally Posted by dahimi

A better base should mean that you are able to get more trophies. Getting more trophies should directly translate into getting more loot.

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100% agreed.

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Originally Posted by zachUVA

This is acceptable.

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INdeed it is

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Your argument is tangential to mine. We aren't arguing loot penalties here. They serve an entirely different function. They lessen the impact of the game's major flaw which is that loot is not tied to progression in any meaningful way. A better base should mean that you are able to get more trophies. Getting more trophies should directly translate into getting more loot.

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Maybe. I guess my question is, why does it all have to make perfect sense? Your argument assumes that everybody thinks similar to you. There are people who don't care at all about base level (see Code Red) and then on the other side you have people who don't care about trophies at all (see Hannibal.) Neither is wrong, and both play the game very differently. If the system worked how you presented it, there would be no point in gemming at the top since you have all the loot you could ever want. Shouldn't there be a challenge at/near the top? I have found it pretty satisfying to find off-brand army compositions that get the job done and are relatively quick to cook.

Let me also add as an adjunct to my previous post, that I suspect it would take really huge league bonuses to make it most efficient for a farmer to climb up to crystal. The problem is that the way the loot cap impacts storages and collectors make collectors far too attractive. As long as collectors are far more attractive targets than storages, I suspect that optimal farming trophy ranges will be fairly low.