TH11 on TH10

I am a maxed offense TH11 including royals at the number 1 spot in wars. Our clan has a few other TH11s and we are slightly above average in using our attacks. Having said that we are failing to consistently 3 star Max TH10s with decent layouts using on average lvl35 heros n lvl15 warden plus max troops.

My question to our forumners is what's your goto combo to get the job done? I tend to favor bowler healers and laloon but I can't do the dips as I need to focus on the max TH11 ring bases which are a challenge for my clan mates. Do the miners and valks even feature in your combos? I don't know about everyone else but I tend to get stressed out and frustrated when I see the struggles of our TH11s on dips.

TH8 max we clear with drags, hogs or loons easily. TH9 max we clear with quadlaloon or govaho easily. TH10s dips are rarely necessary but laloon or valks5 pretty much unstoppable. TH10 max are pretty much 2 stars unless base is poorly designed. TH11s I aim for 2 stars as well cuz there pretty much won't be anyone able to cover me.

Please share your thoughts on this subject and maybe the gurus among us can enlighten everyone on how best to deal with max TH10s on dips most efficiently.

Thank you in advance for your invaluable guidance.

Zees67
Unity Prime 2

Yes th11 is a 2 star game mostly so aiming for 2 stars there is normal

Tbh i cant remeber the last time i didnt 3 star a th10, not being big headed but its just really easy!

Either bowlers or laloon like you said, 2 hound and 35 loons is good as when you rage and hit wardens ability they loons cover the base quick so no need for more hounds imo

With bowlers i do 22 bowlers and 6 healers, 2 jump 2 freeze 2 rage, i do this more if it has an anti air base which a few bases are coming onto now, last war i had to hit 2 max th10s, both had anti air bases, hit with bowlers and my king is down, 3 stared both with plenty of troops left over

Dont over think it, you dont need queen walks or elaborate plans, these troops with warden is plenty!

I like gowiva or giwiva.
1eq, 1 jump 1 heal 1 or 2 rage, 1 or 2 freeze.
Funnel with a couple of giants, wiz and a baby on each side. Then basically let everything loose. Don't leave GW ability too late, it can prevent massive damage early on when lots of troops are getting attacked at once. If the first IT is close, just rage through as freeze will only stop it for a second before it goes down.

Ok that sounds like great advice. The queen walks followed by bowler healers are more complicated than what you suggest JonnyVW. Basically bowlers with 3 healers on both flanks followed by cc giants plus heros down the center right. Sometimes the Max TH10 layouts are kinds tricky though with ferno islands miles apart.

We will find out this war cuz I really wanna see all those TH10s cleared so we can work on the TH11s. Have been thinking that the max miners could work well with the bowlers on the tricky ring bases. Anyone tried it?

Zees67
Unity Prime 2

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Originally Posted by Zees67

Ok that sounds like great advice. The queen walks followed by bowler healers are more complicated than what you suggest JonnyVW. Basically bowlers with 3 healers on both flanks followed by cc giants plus heros down the center right. Sometimes the Max TH10 layouts are kinds tricky though with ferno islands miles apart.

We will find out this war cuz I really wanna see all those TH10s cleared so we can work on the TH11s. Have been thinking that the max miners could work well with the bowlers on the tricky ring bases. Anyone tried it?

Zees67
Unity Prime 2

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You want 2 healers either side with 6 bowlers a side, then 2 healers in the middle, its okay as just use 1 freeze early and hold the other for spread out infurnos no big deal

Miner suck, dont use them, trust me!

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Originally Posted by Nzdiver

I like gowiva or giwiva.
1eq, 1 jump 1 heal 1 or 2 rage, 1 or 2 freeze.
Funnel with a couple of giants, wiz and a baby on each side. Then basically let everything loose. Don't leave GW ability too late, it can prevent massive damage early on when lots of troops are getting attacked at once. If the first IT is close, just rage through as freeze will only stop it for a second before it goes down.

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Appreciate your input Nzdiver. Our TH11s used those attacks cuz it was a reliable 2 star when they used the valks at TH10s and easy 3 for dips on max TH9s. But as TH11 that combo cannot reliably 3 star the max TH10s as the valks push way ahead of the Grand Warden wasting the aura n are all over the place when the tome is activated. Either that or they are doing wrong compared to the pros!

Zees67
Unity Prime 2

Bowlers or laloon usually works well on a th 10. Alternatively go heavy on tanks and jumps. With th 11 troops you have enough firepower to just roll through a maxed th 10 without using a lot of spells, so use 2-3 jumps to set up a path that covers most of the base, and just stomp through with golems/giants and bowlers/valks. Good funneling IS still required.

It's close to impossible. Th10 and above is a two star game a very boring one. This is why I'm continuously pushing for more troop buffs

I regularly 3* max TH10s in Titan with laloonion with my GW down so if you have all 3 heroes available, it really shouldn't be too hard

With the present of warden and the absent of eagle on th 10. Th 11 should not have a hard time to 3 th 10, but i admit there are much tough th 10 base out there that make the attacker think twice.

Doubt when scouting usually make the attacker too hesitate and make a too complicated plan that is not their forte, stick on your forte and focus on funelling to get down 2 inferno is more than halfway to get 3 star.
The key is always on inferno, i have a friend that oftenly use 3 zap and 1 quake to take out a inferno, at the beginning i think she will fail to 3 because short of spell left but she made it 3 everytime

There are many combo to go, queen walk is the most powerful one consider th 11 have six regular spell. Mass bowler healer still good but not with mass valk or mass miners.

Miners work better on heavy queen walk, i mean heavy qw is when you walk extremely and heavily with that 4 spell pair with warden and left 2 spell to miners to clear the rest but careful the limit, couple mini baby and arc should handle the limit.

But if you looking on easy way, lavalon is the fastest and simple way, composition os differ on everyone, all you need is deploying speed and a proper spell placement.

Basically it is laloon I guess cuz that is the most powerful attack atm for TH11s. Then again it is not a given as Onyx reported that out of 13 TH11 dips on TH10s in the FWH challenge only 6 resulted in 3 stars. I don't know what attacks nor hero or offense levels were used but it should be in the region of 10 or 11 3 stars to be considered efficient dips. Our TH10 dips fail would be 1 in 15 or less and TH9 dips fail unthinkable. That's on max defense bases with max heros n walls. Maybe our attackers are overconfident or lack the skill set but in a just concluded war we failed to 3 star a max TH10 with max laloon with K36Q40GW20. Lost the war by a star. Maybe have to go back to JonnyVW advice cuz bowler healer has more room for error probably on dips. What do our TH11 GASPs use I wonder if required to dip and the war absolutely depends on that 3 star?

Zees67
Unity Prime 2

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Originally Posted by fladeva

With the present of warden and the absent of eagle on th 10. Th 11 should not have a hard time to 3 th 10, but i admit there are much tough th 10 base out there that make the attacker think twice.

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As a mid plus TH10 myself, who often faces defending TH11 dips, I would have to agree with the above based on recent experience. I think my last 3 defences have all been circa 75-90% 2 stars, and all against mass lvl3 Bowlers plus 4-6 Healers.

Not saying these attacks were great btw!
2 things that can foil a dip on my base (v Healer/Bowler) :-

1) Air traps location for the Healers early on.
2) 2 Sets of 'disguised' Double Giant Bombs close to high dps damage defences targeting. Many TH11's don't bring a Heal spell, so unless that GW ability is timed well, the central pack of Bowlers can be history if they hit those bombs.

If I was a TH11 attacking my own base, I'd be using Air every time tbh!:)

It depends on the base, but I 3 star max 10's around 80-90% of the time in wars with queen/warden walk into lavaloon.

When this attack fails to get 3 stars, it's usually because I run out of time (spending too long on the queen/warden walk) or against bases that are very anti-air.

My clan mate uses quad laloon to 3 stars every TH10, and almost maxed TH11.

I think I would break our TH11 attackers into 3 groups. I think we all have the "Important" troops/spells maxed, but when it comes to heroes, we have the Max, nearly max, and lower hero TH11s.

For the most part, most of us use the typical Bowler attacks, although we use 7 each side (takes 7 bowler bounces to get the defs usually behind the outer buildings) with 2 healers on each group, then some giants and bowlers up the middle with heroes and a 5th healer. We do have a few air specialists who might have air loaded, but a clanmate 3*s an 11, so just dips to get a 10 and does very well with that too. Now and then if the base is right, maybe a small AQ walk first, then come in with the bowlers.

Max Hero 11s = 99.9% 3* on Max TH10s
Nearly Max Heroes = 90% 3* on Max TH10s
Lower Heroes = 75% 3* on Max TH10s

I think where most of our fails come is with bowler attacks, when the queen doesn't follow the center pack, and peels off, then the CC (Usually with Drag/B.Drags) hit the group of bowlers and roasts them before poison works.

Kind of just Jump/Rage and try to get the Inferno's down quick while you still have Warden ability and lots of troops and the rest should take care of itself. Leave that straggling IT and it can mess up the straggling healers ability for a silly cannon to take out the queen as she kills storages or something.

To 3 star a TH10 you need to think like a TH10...just with higher troops and GW. TH11s constantly fail on my base only getting 2*....granted most TH10s only get 2*, but then again any TH9 that is strong will get 2* as well (TH is easily reached...but they waste troops if they go for it). The only people that 3 start it have been TH10's from really really good war clans. The few times a TH11 has done it, they use a TH10 comp with AQ walk. Typically AQ walk with GoVAHo or AQwalk laloon. Bowlers just don't work.

By the way...my base has no IFs (soon to change)....so I think part of it is mental...people thinking they will just overpower the base with bigger troops an the GW.

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Originally Posted by pb913

To 3 star a TH10 you need to think like a TH10...just with higher troops and GW. TH11s constantly fail on my base only getting 2*....granted most TH10s only get 2*, but then again any TH9 that is strong will get 2* as well (TH is easily reached...but they waste troops if they go for it). The only people that 3 start it have been TH10's from really really good war clans. The few times a TH11 has done it, they use a TH10 comp with AQ walk. Typically AQ walk with GoVAHo or AQwalk laloon. Bowlers just don't work.

By the way...my base has no IFs (soon to change)....so I think part of it is mental...people thinking they will just overpower the base with bigger troops an the GW.

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Can you post your base? I would like to see the base design.

Gobolaloon is what is giving me 3* against max th10, 9 out of 10 time, you can screw once.

Getting 2* on th11 is easy with gobova...

The reason, i think is that th11's are training sure 2* armies on other th11's, their midset is getting 2*.

So they dont practice 3* strat's which included me too.

I was just spraying bowlers on th10 for 3* but it was giving me a 3* 5 out of 10 times.

So asked help from clan-mates, got video links, failed to 3* th10 with it at first, but kept on doing it.. I am confident now that i can do good on max th10 any layout, way better than i used to do.

Started doing the same on th11 too in fc's, not in wars atm, wanna practice then use it wars on th11's :)

Some video links that i got are :-

https://youtu.be/vOYeKAzb3BY

https://youtu.be/K3s5NqFd-Qo

https://youtu.be/W0dbMuMAbkU

https://youtu.be/hDrxWc3jj44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl8WGuQWvUQ

Hope these help you also

Th11 Max lavaloonion troops should 3 star most if not all th10s.

It's definitely not a 100% hit rate in war. You screw up leaving CC or AQ alive and you essentially lose with lavaloon.

That being said -- we 3* TH10s basically every time -- but our opponents hit rates on our max TH10 bases are like 10-15%.

Our clan is 1/2 to 2/3 th11 with the remainder th10 and maybe 1 or 2 th9's. If you look at the post above that breaks the th11 into groups we largely fall into the group where heros are either Maxed or were maxed before the extra 5 levels where added. In our wars all th10's are 3'd and most low to mid th11's.

The armies vary based on the base design but often go as follows:

bowler/witch (my favourite) 10 witch 15 bowlers with a few giants
bowler healer 4-6 healers with bowlers supported by giants or golem
QW/bowler/valk (for ring bases) star with a QW, then bowler and heros, followed by valks to the core
lavaloon with golem and bowler ks - numerous different troop combos and kill squads

Thank you everyone who posted and the video links. At least I can get our clan to work on improving the hit rates on max TH10s from dips. We will strive to reach close to sinfiery's and camja11's clan standards but would be more than happy to reach a 75% hit rate. Baby steps for a casual war clan like mine that wins only 75% of wars. He he he!

Zees67
Unity Prime 2