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Originally Posted by LetTheMusicPlay

I don't blame you for personalizing this as an attack against you. But I wish you wouldn't. I don't have a grudge against you, Haystacker.

Whether AlexHeney can handle what you said is not the point. Others will see that someone - who had a long list of forumers come to his defense - try to dis-invite someone from posting in this thread. That has an impact, way beyond you and AlexHeney. Others (lurkers, new forumers, old forumers) are going to see that and shape their behavior to avoid being scolded that way.

I'm sorry that my posts are hurtful. I know that you'll say that you're a big boy and you're not hurt.

But what you said was not right. People are afraid to speak out in this forum. In this allegedly "nice" forum. Why is that? Because there are social pressures here to conform. That's why I'm so eager for new posters to join in the convo. With more posters, there'll be more diversity and those social pressures to conform will probably have less impact.

Honestly, Haystacker, I speak with a broader respect (and even occasional affection:smirk:) for you. But I can't help but observe that sometimes you're harsh with others. But those are not capital crimes or unforgiveable offenses. But maybe that means a downvote or two are not the egregious, outrageous actions of a crazed targeter. Like I've said repeatedly, I am harsh and aggressive too sometimes. This past week, I got a forum infraction for wondering whether a forumer's mother loved them or not. :D

I'm not carrying your occasional harsh behavior as a personal resentment. But I have to take what I've observed of you into account when considering what happened in this thread.

And c'mon, don't drag CottonTail into this.... ::exasperation:: XD

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The way Alex used my private message to prove his point, not once but twice, was inexcusable, IMO. A mod who's been around on this forum for as long as he has, should know better. His approach in this thread is something I haven't seen demonstrated by any of the HD-affiliated mods before. Maybe that's how they do it on the CoC side but who knows. So taking all that into context, I was very easy on him.

Apologies to everyone going forward, if I may haved irked u. No offense, I'm not going to change. Nothing personal. #Resist :)

Take it easy, LTMP. That was enlightening.

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Originally Posted by LetTheMusicPlay

I don't blame you for personalizing this as an attack of animosity against you. But I wish you wouldn't. I don't have a grudge against you, Haystacker.

Whether AlexHeney can handle what you said is not the point. Others will see that someone - who had a long list of forumers come to his defense - try to dis-invite someone from posting in this thread. That has an impact, way beyond you and AlexHeney. Others (lurkers, new forumers, old forumers) are going to see that and shape their behavior to avoid being scolded that way.

I'm sorry that my posts are hurtful. I know that you'll say that you're a big boy and you're not hurt.

But what you said was not right. People are afraid to speak out in this forum. In this allegedly "nice" forum. Why is that? Because there are social pressures here to conform. That's why I'm so eager for new posters to join in the convo. With more posters, there'll be more diversity and those social pressures to conform will probably have less impact.

Honestly, Haystacker, I speak with a broader respect (and even occasional affection:smirk:) for you. But I can't help but observe that sometimes you're harsh with others. But those are not capital crimes or unforgiveable offenses. But maybe that means a downvote or two are not the egregious, outrageous actions of a crazed targeter. Like I've said repeatedly, I am harsh and aggressive too sometimes. This past week, I got a forum infraction for wondering whether a forumer's mother loved them or not. :D

I'm not carrying your occasional harsh behavior as a personal resentment. But I have to take what I've observed of you into account when considering what's happened in this thread.

And c'mon, don't drag CottonTail into this.... ::exasperation:: XD

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LetTheMusicPlay: Bravo, I endorse every word you have said. 👏👏👏

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Originally Posted by LetTheMusicPlay

But what you said was not right. People are afraid to speak out in this forum. In this allegedly "nice" forum. Why is that? Because there are social pressures here to conform. That's why I'm so eager for new posters to join in the convo. With more posters, there'll be more diversity and those social pressures to conform will probably have less impact.

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LTMP, you are right when you say this forum is "allegedly" nice. It isn't really. It's a highly censored forum that has been shaped over the years by certain people asserting opinions about how people should play, and behave, and by mods who have been quick to judge some, yet let others get away with quite toxic posts. It is not a forum that values free speech anymore. Forumers like myself have backed away from posting because of this- because we are not brave enough to resist. Haystacker is all about resistance. Even if he doesn't truly believe, he will play the devil's advocate to encourage discussion.

Sure, his post to Alex probably deserved a smack on the wrist with a wet bus ticket, (I did an eye roll myself when I read it), but then I totally see where he was coming from - a mod who never showed any interest in posting in this forum is suddenly all over this thread. I was also questioning Alex's presence and motives at he time, especially as none of our usual mods had a word to say. I can just see them sitting back and saying, "Hmmm, can of worms unleashed we have ... Not touching that with a barge pole." As this whole function seems to be solely designed to save them some work, I'm also not surprised that they feel that way. They probably thought we wouldn't mind them tossing a pseudo-mod function into the forum, but they have disturbed the thin oil of defensive niceness that has formed as a protective skin over this forum, and now all that pent up frustration is erupting.

Let's not start casting blame around at other formers. Haystacker didn't create this situation, he is just trying to protect us From something he doesn't see as acceptable, albeit in his own unique way. Let's all take a step back, breathe deeply and remember exactly what it is we are opposing here - a function that has the (proven, methinks) ability to set us at our own throats.

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Originally Posted by Haystacker

The way Alex used my private message to prove his point, not once but twice, was inexcusable, IMO.

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First, it wasn't a PM, it was your report, although we do usually keep them private. And I didn't use it to prove my point, but just for a bit of added context. My point still stood just as well after I removed it. I have no idea why you say twice, I only quoted it the once I think.

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A mod who's been around on this forum for as long as he has, should know better. His approach in this thread is something I haven't seen demonstrated by any of the HD-affiliated mods before. Maybe that's how they do it on the CoC side but who knows. So taking all that into context, I was very easy on him.

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If you had said that to somebody else, and it had been reported, you would have got an infraction for it. Trying to tell others they should not post in a thread is not acceptable.

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Originally Posted by GladeMaid

LTMP, you are right when you say this forum is "allegedly" nice. It isn't really. It's a highly censored forum that has been shaped over the years by certain people asserting opinions about how people should play, and behave, and by mods who have been quick to judge some, yet let others get away with quite toxic posts. It is not a forum that values free speech anymore. Forumers like myself have backed away from posting because of this- because we are not brave enough to resist. Haystacker is all about resistance. Even if he doesn't truly believe, he will play the devil's advocate to encourage discussion.

Sure, his post to Alex probably deserved a smack on the wrist with a wet bus ticket, (I did an eye roll myself when I read it), but then I totally see where he was coming from - a mod who never showed any interest in posting in this forum is suddenly all over this thread. I was also questioning Alex's presence and motives at he time, especially as none of our usual mods had a word to say. I can just see them sitting back and saying, "Hmmm, can of worms unleashed we have ... Not touching that with a barge pole." As this whole function seems to be solely designed to save them some work, I'm also not surprised that they feel that way. They probably thought we wouldn't mind them tossing a pseudo-mod function into the forum, but they have disturbed the thin oil of defensive niceness that has formed as a protective skin over this forum, and now all that pent up frustration is erupting.

Let's not start casting blame around at other formers. Haystacker didn't create this situation, he is just trying to protect us From something he doesn't see as acceptable, albeit in his own unique way. Let's all take a step back, breathe deeply and remember exactly what it is we are opposing here - a function that has the (proven, methinks) ability to set us at our own throats.

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Yep. And where are our regular Hayday mods? Are they on vacation? Or just not wanting anything to do with this mess probably.

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Originally Posted by alexheney

First, it wasn't a PM, it was your report, although we do usually keep them private. And I didn't use it to prove my point, but just for a bit of added context. My point still stood just as well after I removed it. I have no idea why you say twice, I only quoted it the once I think.



If you had said that to somebody else, and it had been reported, you would have got an infraction for it. Trying to tell others they should not post in a thread is not acceptable.

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U can post anywhere u want. Ur the mod. Ur word is the law. I bow down.

I didn't join this forum to have debates with mods. Have a good day sir.

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Originally Posted by SweetCherryPie

Thank you for answering my question, WussyPuss. :)

Miss, I don't know that I agree with all of it being rubbish... drama, intrigue, comedy, politics.... we just need romance and we have most of my Netflix selections represented. ;)

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Might have to settle for some fake love SweetCherry. Can I sub an upvote in lieu of the romance? :heart:

Oh yes, Miss! :D That would definitely work! :heart:

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Originally Posted by LetTheMusicPlay

I used to think it was anonymous too. :smirk:

You can see the forum names behind any up- or down-votes you receive on your profile page. Look for a tab labeled "Reputation."

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D'oh! I see it now. Facepalm. Thank you, brainypants. :)

It's right beside the infractions. :thumbsup:

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Others can visit your profile page and see the comments and direction of the rep points, but they can't see the identity of the voter.

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Comments are public. Wow. Ok, thanks. This is better than poison pen letters but still a bit freaky. (Panicking about what I may have written anywhere ohmahgaaahd)

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EDIT: agree with your characterizations, pitchfork. love the idea of anonymous upvoting. more fun. no risk of upvotes being received as mixed gifts with an agenda.

but downvoting - if it's retained - should not be anonymous, because of risk of insanity among other reasons. and because it's easier to generalize the aggression as coming from the entire, mysterious forum as opposed to one or a few isolated forumers.

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Good point.

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EDIT again: there were 12 seasons of Murder She Wrote? :eek:

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Do not believe everything you read.

I've been taking notes and getting a good sense of the opinions made here. There's been excellent points made and some unexpected twists and turns as well. All of it is important and all of it helps me paint a picture of what you all want. When the time comes, your feedback will be passed on.

If you want to pm me, you can do that as well.

The above is so not coming out in words how it is in my head because I can't find the right words right now and I really mean this from my heart. Truly. I want to be here for you, help you and be your voice.