Why engineering is good for the game

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Originally Posted by Denton

Interesting supposition; I wonder how seriously that they take what is posted here since the majority of it biased and therefore skewed to meet the typical poster's agenda...

I am with Tank on this (and I hope that we are right) that SC is using their data rather than anything that they read here but given their lack of communication, I suspect that we may never know...

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Disagree. I hope SC does take into consideration what is posted in the forum. Of course it shouldn't be the sole source--I'm not saying that at all--but it should be one of many factors they use. And you can choose to not believe them--but they say they do use it as one of many sources, to include their own ideas, their own data, consultants, user test groups, and other market trends.

I also disagree with you about your view of the forum and how it represents the community. I think it does.

Does the forum represent the community?
https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...-the-Community

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Originally Posted by Johnnyfsullivan

Disagree. I hope SC does take into consideration what is posted in the forum. Of course it shouldn't be the sole source--I'm not saying that at all--but it should be one of many factors they use. And you can choose to not believe them--but they say they do use it as one of many sources, to include their own ideas, their own data, consultants, user test groups, and other market trends.

I also disagree with you about your view of the forum and how it represents the community. I think it does.

Does the forum represent the community?
https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...-the-Community

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All fair points but I believe in what I see implemented and in statistics when used properly...

Braindead defenseless "engineering" still works, so does low-loading a clan with mini ths. Every match we get thats lopsided at the top ... the enemy has these

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Originally Posted by Denton

Interesting supposition; I wonder how seriously that they take what is posted here since the majority of it biased and therefore skewed to meet the typical poster's agenda...

I am with Tank on this (and I hope that we are right) that SC is using their data rather than anything that they read here but given their lack of communication, I suspect that we may never know...

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Do you think they were looking at their own personal data collection or pulsing the forums when they nerfed the miners? bolwers? witches? I think they used their own personal data for the past two buffs to witches. I think they also used their own data when they added another level to hogs. I hope they use their own personal data if they decide to buff air defenses, instead of listening to forum whiners.

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Originally Posted by Shadrach777

Do you think they were looking at their own personal data collection or pulsing the forums when they nerfed the miners? bolwers? witches? I think they used their own personal data for the past two buffs to witches. I think they also used their own data when they added another level to hogs. I hope they use their own personal data if they decide to buff air defenses, instead of listening to forum whiners.

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Ouch. Very harsh...I guess I'm viewed as a forum whiner when I express my opinion. Interesting.

Maybe if the forum was more proportional to the population of clash i suppose it could be more valuable.

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Originally Posted by Humbob

Braindead defenseless "engineering" still works, so does low-loading a clan with mini ths. Every match we get thats lopsided at the top ... the enemy has these

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I take the lack of lengthy win streaks among these engineering clans as evidence that it's not working as reliably as before. Keep in mind that many of those clans are guys who flat out said, "We want easy wars, not wars where we have to actually compete." There are a few engineered clans out there that have a 'recipe' that has proved resistant to MM tweaks, but the guys who were running 30+ wins in a row by mindless engineering are winning at a much, much lower rate. I can't imagine the ones who fell into the group that wanted to avoid the stress of competition are happy with regularly matching balanced clans that have equal offense & better defense.

guys we may lose our streak this war and its fairly big. How do i cope with this lol. We still have lots of attacks left but preparing for the worst.

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Originally Posted by TankSinatra

Those are the examples I can think of as well. For the FC cooldown, the forum pointed out a huge unanticipated consequence of a brand new feature and SC had to react. There was no controversy, no differing sides to the issue, so the relevance to any other debate is pretty limited.
The December 2015 debacle (snipe removal) lead to upheaval that makes the engineering debate seem really tame. SC was entirely dismissive of complaints, remember 'a real chief would adapt'? Two months later we got some tweaks, but nothing like what we wanted (easy shields). Seems more consistent to me with damage control based on game data (probably gem purchases in particular) rather than response to the forum, who knows.
My point is, the arguments get a lot more heated than they need to be because I think everyone imagines they're trying a case before a judge (SC), and they need to win the argument so that their thread/proposal will result in major changes.
But the judge & jury boxes are empty, folks. SC will come to their own conclusions using data we don't have access to, to support a huge and diverse player base of which we are a very small niche.

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I gotta agree with you about people thinking they need to 'win the thread' because it's going to change minds at SC. The forums are only one source of data for SC. I think mostly the forums are a place for us players to share information with one another, not a place where the direction of the game is determined.

But, saying SC pays zero attention to the forums isn't accurate, either. Ironically, I'd bet the low traffic Bugs/Feature Requests sub is the one most likely to get regularly monitored by SC's employees. Maybe one of the mods can shed some light on whether there is any monitoring by SC staff, or if the mods themselves have a process to to bring things to SC attention?

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Originally Posted by Shadrach777

Do you think they were looking at their own personal data collection or pulsing the forums when they nerfed the miners? bolwers? witches? I think they used their own personal data for the past two buffs to witches. I think they also used their own data when they added another level to hogs. I hope they use their own personal data if they decide to buff air defenses, instead of listening to forum whiners.

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Miners & Bowlers were somewhat overpowered at first. Bowlers seem about right, but miners have been badly bungled. TBH, I think the Miner was an ill conceived troop that will be hard to balance. Witches in conjunction with the Grand Warden were overly strong & got completely decimated. Witches are still a terrible value for the de cost & troop space. All of which was brought up here & other CoC discussions, like Reddit & YouTube.

It makes perfect sense that SC uses their own data along with our insights. Buffing air defense is a good point. Some insist that air troops are far too powerful. That may or may not be true at TH11, but at TH10, I don't think air is too strong. Even without infernos or upgraded AD, I've only been 3 starred by air a few times since the loon buff. It's strong when used by a skilled attacker, which seems appropriate...