Why engineering is good for the game

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Originally Posted by Krastor

I played WOW for 8 years, you are grasping at straws if you are trying to compare it to clash of clans. When you are playing WOW in PvP mode everyone else has their. PvP gear on as well. In CoC we don't have that option. You play with what you have. That is where the argument for unfairness in wars comes into play.
When we face a clan with engineered bases it's not fun whether we win or lose.

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WOW is a very good analogy. Obviously you have heard of the "glass cannon" DPS (usually wizard). In order to maximize damage, he gives up health. This was much more prevalent in the earlier expansions where there was very little HP on DPS gear.
The big tradeoff was that if he was slow to move out of the fire then he would die, and do 0 DPS for the rest of the raid.

I just do not see how you can compare gameplay in a tower defence type game and a virtual world type game. They have absolutely nothing in common except you can chat with clan mates. I stand by what I said earlier, clash of clans is the only game in this genre that allows you to become stronger in war by building the least defences. But I feel like I'm barking at the moon so im gonna just go back to lurking like I typically do. Clash on!

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Originally Posted by Krastor

I just do not see how you can compare gameplay in a tower defence type game and a virtual world type game. They have absolutely nothing in common except you can chat with clan mates. I stand by what I said earlier, clash of clans is the only game in this genre that allows you to become stronger in war by building the least defences. But I feel like I'm barking at the moon so im gonna just go back to lurking like I typically do. Clash on!

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eh you cant really compare ANY game to clash unless they are ripoffs or extremely similiar

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Originally Posted by Nathandrake2017

eh you cant really compare ANY game to clash unless they are ripoffs or extremely similiar

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For the sake of comparisson i think backyard monster came out before CoC. And they are extremely similar. Except for the clan war feature.

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Originally Posted by Nathandrake2017

Engineers : Engineering is a fair way to play and should not be nerfed. At the least, engineers should have a small advantage over those who do not plan their bases.

Anti engineers: Engineering is a cowardly and unfair way to play and should be nerfed into oblivion and maxing should rule as the dominant strategy. (ok the last part only applies to some).

This is 100% the definition of an echo chamber

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That is the view of some in the forum. But for those who like to have a good debate and discussion on the topic, it is nothing like you stated above.

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Originally Posted by SinOfDusk

And this is what's happening to the forums. Rusher and engineers quit not the game, but the forums due to toxic responses. This has led to increasingly marginalised and polarised viewed of the game, making the forums an increasingly narrow echo chamber with the same ideas and views thrown around since years ago with zero progress in terms of thinking

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I think the main issue is people having the wrong impression about what can be accomplished in the forums. Nobody's going to convince SC to do anything here, they're not even reading. Nobody's going to convince the player base to stop/start engineering, they're playing how they want to play (and maybe .001% are following the forums). The arguments are vicious, the stakes are small.

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Originally Posted by SkylineBay

Sin, this is my last post addressing u

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I don't agree with all of Sin's posts, but your response is less than forth-coming. I want to reword the statements using your terminology.

1) Maxing is a valid strategy because it bullies weaker bases. Engineering is a valid strategy because it bullies weaker bases.

2) If people don't like having a weaker base, then become a max TH11 and people can no longer complain about being weaker. This is when people will have to come to the realization that other people play the game better than them.

On #1 SC realizes the strength of the maxing and engineering, so they are tweaking the algorithm to account for both. There are many posters here which can provide their experiences that both areas are being tweaked.

It makes perfect sense that if anyone is tired of waiting on SC to fix #1, that they move to #2. Unfortunately #2 takes a lot of time and or money, purposely designed that way by SC. Since #2 takes too long to do, then we are left with #1. However, which takes longer at #1, maxing a base or engineering?

If that's what they are doing, it ain't working. We just finished a war with maxing 8s and 7s. I leave people out so we don't have too many max 8s in war when none of our nines have opted in.

This last war we saw, 4 TH9s, 1TH 5 and 5TH8s vs our Th8s and Th7s. 5, Th8s and 4 TH7s. We did well, three staring all except one base, including their nines. They won of course, they three stared all of our bases of course. It was the most absurd war I've ever been in and for the last couple of months there have been many. We went 16 absurf wars without a loss but not this time. The matching is screwed up.

This notion I keep seeing is that non-engineered clans don't match with engineered clans is total ignorance. It certainly is not even close to true but we will start to do so. No choice. Building our engineered bases for the last month. Have them soon.

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Originally Posted by Gxr900

Considering actions taken by SC recently, exploiting the matchmaker does not appear to be a strategy they want people employing. Otherwise, why take steps to try and match engineers with other engineers?

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It drives me insane that people are so clueless what is going on. Engineering only matters in war. I don't give a hoot what you do farming. So bully me with your freaking engineered base while looting. I don't care if you do it with a maxed our base or maxed out troops. It makes no difference to me.

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Originally Posted by StormHeart

It drives me insane that people are so clueless what is going on. Engineering only matters in war. I don't give a hoot what you do farming. So bully me with your freaking engineered base while looting. I don't care if you do it with a maxed our base or maxed out troops. It makes no difference to me.

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I'm on the same page, but most engineers will ignore it and try to justify their actions.
I'm all for engineering, but against its advantages in wars. Diversity is only doing good for the game.
To achieve max 11 the fastest way rushing is required, which is completely fine if one wants to go that route. They can't really expect to be effective with it when it comes to wars,but the MM loophole allowed them to achieve both. I for one like to take it slower, still spend a ton of gems to speed up time on royals,but I want to enjoy the longetivity this game has to offer, as I'm sure when I reach complete max th11, my motivation to play the game will decline.