TH Upgrade Restrictions

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Originally Posted by Rakeshclasher

My friends got three th10 with less deffence but war troops are maxed out and heroes too.

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So he's engineered. Thanks for your contribution to the discussion.

Supercell said they will "soon" (god knows when this will happen) release yet another version.
Let's see if this issue will be addressed.
Frankly i don't really expect a full fix of the problem, even a small fix would be enough to prove they do work on it.

Time will tell.

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Originally Posted by Aspex

There is no "need" for multiple devices. If you feel that you have to have the guaranteed backup of Support then use multiple devices, otherwise use a single device. Many players use multiple accounts on a single device, forum moderators included.

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Funny because your initial retort to my saying they dont support multiple accounts was to split hairs with me that it was multiple accounts on a device only that they did not support. But now you are reversing yourself because it doesnt support your narrative. They really dont support multi accounts on one device though and have said so to posters that ask for it.

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Originally Posted by BlackDragonD

Supercell said they will "soon" (god knows when this will happen) release yet another version.
Let's see if this issue will be addressed.
Frankly i don't really expect a full fix of the problem, even a small fix would be enough to prove they do work on it.

Time will tell.

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I believe the fix is coming in the form of an update to the war matching algorith to place more emphasis on attacking troop level. I dont know for sure of course, but there have been multiple threads on this and feedback has given that impression. We will see.

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

Funny because your initial retort to my saying they dont support multiple accounts was to split hairs with me that it was multiple accounts on a device only that they did not support. But now you are reversing yourself because it doesnt support your narrative. They really dont support multi accounts on one device though and have said so to posters that ask for it.

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I have not reversed myself, nor is it "splitting hairs" to correct the misinformation that you were posting. SC do not support multiple accounts on one device. It is perfectly acceptable to use multiple accounts on one device. The two statements are not mutually exclusive.

WRT support, whilst the ToS states that they do not support multiple accounts on one device, in practice they do attempt to help with issues, the introduction of Google's Player IDs last year being a case in point.

My position has not changed in the slightest - here's my "initial retort":

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Originally Posted by Aspex

There is nothing wrong with having multiple accounts. Having multiple accounts is supported by SC. What they say that they do not support is multiple accounts on the same device. In practice, they do attempt to help with problems with multiple accounts on the same device but it is not officially supported. SC have no stance discouraging multiple accounts.

As has been repeatedly stated, neither having multiple accounts nor engineering is anywhere close to cheating.

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As you can see, i am saying the same now as I did then. Where is the "reverse" in my position?

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Originally Posted by Aspex

I have not reversed myself. SC do not support multiple accounts on one device. It is perfectly acceptable to use multiple accounts on one device. The two statements are not contradictory.

And, whilst the ToS states that they do not support multiple accounts on one device, in practice they do attempt to help with issues, the introduction of Google's Player IDs last year being a case in point.

My position has not changed in the slightest.

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sigh. You are like a wordsmithing lawyer. You get the point, but you are comitted to not acknowledging it because it doesnt support your narrative.

There is a difference between open discussion how to improve the game and just arguing to forward ones own personal agenda. I understand you want to keep your little trick because it makes the game more enjoyable for your self. But to make the game more appealing to the masses this problem shows that there is a need for balancing.

However I do support the part of your opinion to disagree with any methods to limit upgrades. I see no way to implement that which doesnt create unfairness in the other direction. But I do think engineering is a problem to be fixed. My feeling is that the fix should be done by updating the war matching algoritm to factor attacking troop level with much more weight.

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Originally Posted by Therealmitchypoo

With the growing number of engineered bases causing Clan Wars to be increasingly unfair, I'd like to propose a new mechanic to allow fairer gameplay. (Engineered bases are those that, for example, are a TH11 with TH6 defences, max troops and max walls, causing an unfair advantage when poised against their balanced TH8 opponent).
The mechanic to restrict this is a war weight calculator display, whereby you need to achieve a set war weight before upgrading your TH to the next level. This will force clashers to upgrade their defences to a set level before upgrading their TH. Not only will this target engineers, but will also allow clashers to fully experience each TH level and have a greater sense of achievement when they are eligible to upgrade their TH. From SC's perspective, those that are still so keen to rush ahead will be more inclined to spend gems, too! It's a win-win for everyone.

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A rushed base or an engineering base is not wrong in any way. The problem is the matchmaking algorithm. Supercell can easily add th-level as part of the algorithm and the problem is solved once for all. However, the community is divided on this issue. Some people believe that they have the right to make an engineering base and not be penalized by matchmaking algorithm. In other words, they want the algorithm to stay the same and to give them the advantage.

The truth of the matter is that there is no such thing as a perfect matchmaking algorithm. It must favor some direction. Currently, the system favors less war weight. If you include th as part of the algorithm, it will favor those who max their bases. But the other half of the community do not want that, they want that it favors the maxed offense, least defense bases. Everybody wants to win.

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

sigh. You are like a wordsmithing lawyer. You get the point, but you are comitted to not acknowledging it because it doesnt support your narrative.

There is a difference between open discussion how to improve the game and just arguing to forward ones own personal agenda. I understand you want to keep your little trick because it makes the game more enjoyable for your self. But to make the game more appealing to the masses this problem shows that there is a need for balancing.

However I do support the part of your opinion to disagree with any methods to limit upgrades. I see no way to implement that which doesnt create unfairness in the other direction. But I do think engineering is a problem to be fixed. My feeling is that the fix should be done by updating the war matching algoritm to factor attacking troop level with much more weight.

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Your "sigh" is offensive as it is not me who is being obtuse. You have no point so no, I do not get it. I have no "narrative", I have only posted to correct your posting of misinformation and misstatement of fact.

You are flat out wrong when you say that SC do not support multiple accounts. You are flat out wrong when you say that "Currently their stance is to discourage multiple accounts", and flat out wrong when you say "so technically making extra accounts to gain war advantages is not something you can fully argue isnt cheating". These statements are demonstrably false.

The paucity of your argument is highlighted by your statement that I have a "personal agenda" and your implication that said agenda derives from me engineering (which, to be explicit, i do not do). To try to discredit my viewpoint as arising from a vested interest is both factually wrong and does not serve to further open discussion on how to improve the game.

WRT engineering, my position is that it does have a place in the game but no playstyle should have an advantage. SC appear to be of similar mind, as shown by their statements in the Q&A sessions and commitment to balancing the MM algorithm to mitigate any advantage that those bases might bring. Not too far from your position?

Clash of Clans is a strategy game.... There is more than one strategy........ Last I checked, this is a strategy...... You can try and prove me wrong (but don't waste your time).

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