Engineering solution

So SC has toyed with the MM algorithim. In my opinion March 2016 change was the worst time ever. Its since gotten a little better but theyve nerfed .5ing yet defenseless bases still seem to have an advantage. At any point in time the MM algorithim had favored someone. My ideal solution would be to place heavy war weight on the town hall. Town hall opens up offense and defense advantages so it doesnt really favor one side or the other but does put clueless rushers in a bad spot.

So.... i suggest having around 10 different match making algorithims, bring back all of them and randomize which one you get when you start war search. That way no one can game the system except for maybe 1 out of 10 wars.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCharlie

So SC has toyed with the MM algorithim. In my opinion March 2016 change was the worst time ever. Its since gotten a little better but theyve nerfed .5ing yet defenseless bases still seem to have an advantage. At any point in time the MM algorithim had favored someone. My ideal solution would be to place heavy war weight on the town hall. Town hall opens up offense and defense advantages so it doesnt really favor one side or the other but does put clueless rushers in a bad spot.

So.... i suggest having around 10 different match making algorithims, bring back all of them and randomize which one you get when you start war search. That way no one can game the system except for maybe 1 out of 10 wars.

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Even SC does what u suggest, u will still see mismatched, since today biggest mismatched issue is roster engineering, not base engineering

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Originally Posted by CosmicCharlie

. My ideal solution would be to place heavy war weight on the town hall. Town hall opens up offense and defense advantages so it doesnt really favor one side or the other but does put clueless rushers in a bad spot.

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I'd recommend reading through the thread linked below. It has many pointers as to why this isn't a good idea :-

https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...her-than-later

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Originally Posted by Skrags

I'd recommend reading through the thread linked below. It has many pointers as to why this isn't a good idea :-

https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...her-than-later

:)

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And most of those pointers are flawed. Care to pick one and discuss it?

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Originally Posted by CosmicCharlie

And most of those pointers are flawed. Care to pick one and discuss it?

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"A day old TH9 is a completely different base to a max TH9 with 30/30 Heroes and all lava walls.
By adding a weight to the Town Hall, all you are doing is encouraging MAXING, and alienating a huge proportion of players."

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Originally Posted by CosmicCharlie

So SC has toyed with the MM algorithim. In my opinion March 2016 change was the worst time ever. Its since gotten a little better but theyve nerfed .5ing yet defenseless bases still seem to have an advantage. At any point in time the MM algorithim had favored someone. My ideal solution would be to place heavy war weight on the town hall. Town hall opens up offense and defense advantages so it doesnt really favor one side or the other but does put clueless rushers in a bad spot.

So.... i suggest having around 10 different match making algorithims, bring back all of them and randomize which one you get when you start war search. That way no one can game the system except for maybe 1 out of 10 wars.

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I definitely do not think Town Hall needs more weight. The system they have in place now is pretty good. All I'd really do at this point is maybe add a little more penalty weight to clans that do things like minimax, defenseless, etc. That way those people aren't getting matched with people with balanced rosters, and if they do, the engineer/minimax/defenseless clan has a couple more bases to attack that have infernos and eagles.

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Originally Posted by Skrags

"A day old TH9 is a completely different base to a max TH9 with 30/30 Heroes and all lava walls.
By adding a weight to the Town Hall, all you are doing is encouraging MAXING, and alienating a huge proportion of players."

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They sure are different. Match the day old TH9s together. Head on out to global. There's no shortage of pink wall, no queen, TH7 lvl troop TH9s to chose from. Match those guys together.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCharlie

. My ideal solution would be to place heavy war weight on the town hall.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCharlie

They sure are different. Match the day old TH9s together. Head on out to global. There's no shortage of pink wall, no queen, TH7 lvl troop TH9s to chose from. Match those guys together.

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Example Base 1 : A fully maxed TH8 (all defences, lvl10BK, all walls done, all offence troops maxed) hits the upgrade button and becomes a day old TH9, so nothing extra has been upgraded.

You want to match the above base with a day old TH9, with pink walls (I assume other lower defences too) and TH7 level troops.

Do you think that's fair? Our Example Base 1 has an advantage both defensively and offensively.

Example Base 2 : A fully maxed TH8 (all defences, lvl10BK, all walls done, all offence troops maxed) hasn't hit the upgrade button yet. He is still a TH8.

Do you think it's fair that our Example 1 and 2 bases should match? They are EXACTLY the same base, except for the colour of the Town Hall.

Answer : Of course they should.

Summary : Matchmaking does, and should ignore the colour/level of the Town Hall!

Best wishes!:)

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Originally Posted by CosmicCharlie

They sure are different. Match the day old TH9s together. Head on out to global. There's no shortage of pink wall, no queen, TH7 lvl troop TH9s to chose from. Match those guys together.

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You seem to be under the delusion that in a 30 or 40 person war that there exists an identical clan to match them to. There may simply not be another identical clan in the system. I don't mean there isn't one searching now; there may literally not be another clan that close in the entire database.
So the server is trying to find the match with the least differences. When a day old TH9 counts as closer to a mid TH9 than to a TH8 with exactly the same upgrades, then the day old TH9 suffers. Clans soon realise that, on average, fresh TH get bad matches and fully maxed TH get good matches. And clans start running perma-9s, perma-10s etc because they get an advantage. It's called maxer-engineering. And they stop letting lower THs into war.

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Skrags onyx Denton... On point as usual

Again without sounding naive but trying to make a point, under the way clans currently have to war to gain the experience to level up the system is sorta flawed with people constantly trying to guesstimate actual war weights to out strategize the matchmaker based on changing weights to offense and defense structures. I would think that if the elite war clans can set up clan war leaugues and matchup evenly where engineering accounts and clans have no effect on the match but a persons skill with basebuilding and attacks do that it is time that clanwars gets a facelift or update as well. I think a war system that has multiple leaugues with general known weights for offense and defense structures and known days that the leaugues search on allows clans to war still and upgrade still how they want but with less risk of a poor matchup. I also believe the variables could include different scoring options, one attack/one defense per base winner take all, decline button, various levels of experience points if clans seek that or if experience points dont matter the satisfaction of a engineer beating a maxer or vice versa....

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Originally Posted by Skrags

"A day old TH9 is a completely different base to a max TH9 with 30/30 Heroes and all lava walls.
By adding a weight to the Town Hall, all you are doing is encouraging MAXING, and alienating a huge proportion of players."

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Not just encouraging maxing, but rather encouraging serious war fighters to permabase. That doesn't fix anything, it just creates a different problem.