Clan war - moral dilemma

We are currently facing a war that the enemy has padded the bottom with 2 th8, a th7, and th5.(we have 2 th8) It has given them 2 Townhall 11 with eagles /warden to our 1 TH11. Its not devastating, we can certainly win if we attack well, and they aren't 'awesone' attackers. I'm mad to face a manipulated roster. I really prefer good gamesmanship. They have an open war log, and I am tempted to send someone to a clan they just battled and review their war bases and attacks from that war. Moral dilemma.. Lol (15v15 war)

If you think they can cheat and you can't within the confines of the game is say there's a personal issue lol. Even support replies back with "all is fair in war" hahaha might as well make it into an epy of game of thrones

The more I think about it, I might have my mini (a very respectable th9) just join their clan, and observe them warring us, then congratulate them for the loss! Lol

I always accept new members during war! (not prep) I let them know, How we are going to beat them!

That doesn't sound like padding, that just sounds like a not-great clan that isn't especially selective. Plenty of clans run a wide range of TH just because that's who is in the clan. If they really wanted to pad, those should be TH3s.

I Know what you mean OnyxDS, but they are a lvl9 clan, with a decent war record. And there clan is large enough that they could have added stronger players.

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Originally Posted by PurpleDeathStar

I Know what you mean OnyxDS, but they are a lvl9 clan, with a decent war record. And there clan is large enough that they could have added stronger players.

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Right now, we are running a very mixed roster. Ten of our top 15 are out of commission. Some are on active duty at sea, some are on extended vaca (me), two are extremely ill.

Life happens sometimes.

Piling on... recruiting isn't always that easy. The more serious and disciplined we get about clan wars, the fewer new recruits we find who are willing to abide by our rules. (And these aren't really so onerous--attack two reasonable targets, with good troops, is the essence of it.) Then subtract off several regulars who are on heavy hero pushes and unavailable more often than not... Then life happens on top of all that...

I would love to run larger and more ♥♥♥♥geneous wars, but our clan just doesn't have the numbers right now.

Maybe not even manipulated. They just have 2 lower than bases. Hardly even manipulating anything

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Originally Posted by PurpleDeathStar

We are currently facing a war that the enemy has padded the bottom with 2 th8, a th7, and th5.(we have 2 th8) It has given them 2 Townhall 11 with eagles /warden to our 1 TH11. Its not devastating, we can certainly win if we attack well, and they aren't 'awesone' attackers. I'm mad to face a manipulated roster. I really prefer good gamesmanship. They have an open war log, and I am tempted to send someone to a clan they just battled and review their war bases and attacks from that war. Moral dilemma.. Lol (15v15 war)

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Why do you think the are padding? The 7s & 8s seem reasonable and the 5 was so they didn't have to drop 4 clan mates from war.

now if they had 5 TH3s at the bottom, that's padding

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Originally Posted by PurpleDeathStar

I Know what you mean OnyxDS, but they are a lvl9 clan, with a decent war record. And there clan is large enough that they could have added stronger players.

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We are a casual clan that likes war but we are lucky when we have 15 of our 35 opted in. Some members are totally inactive but they are friends or family accounts and some have just opted out of war.

our current war we started yesterday
11 pretty rushed
2 new 11s possibly 10.5 both max 10s with L7 warden
10 TH9s
th 7
th 6

i could have done 10 man but that would have meant asking 3 of our TH9s to sit. We have 3 that will be going to 10 soon so our lineup may look better in a few weeks

them
new 11, maxed 10 with L6 warden
3 mid to strong 10s
10 TH 9s
th8

niether of appear to be running x.5 bases except for the new TH that may just be new, may be intentional .5

its a pretty fair war but they will probably win due to the 2 extra TH10 attacks and the fact that their bottom 9s look quite a bit stronger than our bottom 9s

but we shall see. The are L9 clan with about 35 members, we are L6 with about the same.

I dont see anything moral about it. Its not cheating. My sig says why...

Show them you're the bigger man and beat them without unethical means.

No dilemma here. I'd rather have it that spying wasn't part of the game, especially because it hurts recruitment which god knows doesn't need to be made any tougher.
But SC disagrees, purposely leaves it in the game though it would be easy to prevent (make anyone with the 'new' tag unable to see war map or log, you can get around this by promoting to 'elder' if you trust them). Go ahead and spy, if you don't you're just handicapping yourself in a way your opponents often won't

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Originally Posted by PurpleDeathStar

I Know what you mean OnyxDS, but they are a lvl9 clan, with a decent war record. And there clan is large enough that they could have added stronger players.

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REALLY ?? You are complaining about who your ENEMY chooses to roster ?? WHen it just looks like they put in newer accounts and there is no engineering whatsoever ??? Holy ♥♥♥♥ . Maybe you got a bad matchup maybe you didn't but there is no problem for me with what the other clan rostered . If there is a complaint it would be about mm giving you a crappy match but NOTHING on the other clan .

We sometimes roster some weak accounts on the bottom. IF we have 11-12 or 16-17 accounts available I will sit two accounts usually ... if we have 13-14 or 18-19 I usually throw in a weak account or two to fill out the roster . WE have ath5 and a th6 that have disappeared but we throw them in. I think that's pretty normal ( our roster otherwise tops out at a "9.5" ).

As for doing the war log spy thing , feel free . I leave our war log available and if an opposing clan wants to go to the effort .. good for them . We switch war bases a bit so they may or may not find the same base . If they triple our top bases c'est la vie and we will learn from it.

So, I decided against doing this. I ultimately felt that any knowledge picked up would be minimal,and not worth the effort. Who cares what's in cc, have to deal with it anyways. Most traps are revealed by a failed 3 star anyways. I have enough confidence in our clans attacking, and even though they have an extra th11, we can take the win if we attack well enough. Also, thanks to the peeps noting their sometimes larger clans needing to go smaller in war for valid reason s. I was just really irritated when I saw the outmatched on top. 7 hours left in the war, still anybody can win.

I'm for spying if you can get away with it

Final outcome, we won by 2! Was insanely intense nearing the end.

Amazing you mean you thought it was a mismatch and you won and was intense till the end like tough that a lot of people say dont happen when there is a war mismatch. Or that engineers are only looking for the easy war? And it didnt happen? Great job hopefully now you will believe that how you attack is more important than proper match making.

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Originally Posted by PurpleDeathStar

Final outcome, we won by 2! Was insanely intense nearing the end.

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so maybe it wasn't a mismatch at all??.. close match , intense play .. sounds like it might have been a great match !!

Not sure why so much bitterness, if you don't think an extra th11 with gw and max bowler is an advantage in 15v15,well...and frankly, it was good attacking on our side, and fortunately, they just blew it with bad attacking up top. They didn't touch my base and only got 5 stars total for both guys. 1 guy had 40/40/20 the other 30/30/4 attacking our th10. So yes, it was intense, and we one, but was still not a good match. And I do believe good attacking is most important. Not a noob here guys.

No bitterness intended here at all .

maybe it's definitional .. I can see smaller or even some moderately significant advantage to be somewhat expected and it doesn't hit my definition of a mismatch . FOr example our opponents have never won if I saw a mismatch in our favour and we have never won a mismatch against us .. it is almost inconceivable to do so unless the opposing clan doesn't show up or exhibits a wide complete lack of skill .

WE have won and lost many matches where the advantage was less like an extra th at a certain level . CAn these matches be very tough? Absolutely . Can yountake even more pride than usual in winning an uphill battle .. yup .. it's way sweeter than crushing some clan when you have the advantage

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Originally Posted by OnyxDS

That doesn't sound like padding, that just sounds like a not-great clan that isn't especially selective. Plenty of clans run a wide range of TH just because that's who is in the clan. If they really wanted to pad, those should be TH3s.

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th8's are generally fine in a war with 11's, especially if there is only 1 th 11 and the 8's are pretty well-developed. Really, their only padding is the th7 and th5. I'd say that, based upon the fact that they also have an open war log, that your opponents are not an elite clan that tried to engineer an easy war, but rather just a bunch of casuals, or perhaps they're leveling up some alts or just throwing in a couple lower th's on bottom to let their 8's and bottom 9 in the war. I'd say that the majority of clans probably do this tbh.

Whats really funny, I never thought this thread would turn into what is and isn't a mismatch. I figured the spy thing would. Lol

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Originally Posted by PurpleDeathStar

Whats really funny, I never thought this thread would turn into what is and isn't a mismatch. I figured the spy thing would. Lol

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I think the spy thing has been discussed a lot as well in the past . Some will spy , some don't bother ,if you want to prevent it , it is easy to do .. so most people have made peace with spying even if they don't like it .

matching though is always the hot topic of this forum ...

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Originally Posted by RacerRandy

I always accept new members during war! (not prep) I let them know, How we are going to beat them!

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XDYou are a sick leader