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Any having screwey matchups all the time? We are and never in our favour..latest 10vs10 war is 1 th10 vs enemy 4 th10!!! And they are not rushed or anything..i thought sc was getting better at war matchups but they are no better and especially with engineered or so called .5 bases everywhere...clans now wanting only .5 bases to join them..
when will sc get this fixed? War is getting ridiculous abd its the only thing keeping most of us still playing these days!
I hear you there bro. We are finishing up a 25v25 war. We have one th11, 4 th10s. They 7. Match making is such a joke. Really pisses me off. I even wrote in to support. The reply I got back was "they are most likely rushed." They weren't as they they tripled everyone except our th11 and that was a 86% 2 star. Sucks to lose a war before it even starts. Is it that hard to have fair matches? I wouldn't care if it took longer to search.
Many of us only war. And we are getting sick of the plethora of matches vs engineered clans. Its no fun to lose when you feel you are constantly being cheated. Sure its not against the rules to do so, but its certainly dabbling into a gray area. Which gets exacerbated because Supercell doesn't seem to be doing enough to combat it.
A 9.5, 8.5 etc is not an engineered base.
Any chance of clan tags so people can stop by and have a look? The devil is often in the details. There's aspects of the MM I'm critical of, but most people are getting matches that are reasonable most of the time.
There's a thread in the Clan Wars section with advice on setting up your roster to avoid engineers: https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...mpetitive-wars
Be aware though that you seem to need to engineer(!) your roster quite strictly in line with the guidelines for it to work.
I am not saying folks don't get good and bad matches. But, we are running 15v15 wars with TH7 through TH10. Our matches are balanced. I get if you have TH10s in war, it will come down to the top of the map in the end. Understanding war weight is important even if you do not engineer. You need people that can attack at their TH level with success.
We got paired up against two max th11s and two extra th10s. They also have 3 extra th9s. Evident engineering in lower members as well as roster engineering. Looks like a lot of clans doing this to stay competitive. I told my guys to keep defense with their offense. We always get fair matches. Problem is not everyone plays like this. Which is fine, variety is cool. But trying to game the system, people are really fighting matchmaking instead of an enemy clan
Why was this posted in the general forum? I expected to see it was a fresh spawn who started it, but it wasn't.
I couldn't agree with you more. How anyone on here can justify that a TH11 full attack strength is a fair match to TH9 is just kidding them self.
Why cant the next supercell life feed have and engineered clan matched against a standard clan, their live feeds are a joke anyway may as well continue down the same road.
Unless they fix this soon they will loose a ton of players. At least you would think they could add a button to war searching where you can select if you want the war match based on TH level or the standard unfair system they have implement at the moment.
The stupid thing is it is destroying the game from all avenues, yes I have been in engineered clans but found it a bore and zero challenging beating easy opponents. then the flip side is that if you in a clan that is strong and doesn't engineer you work hard to get a nice competitive war streak going only to have it taken by an engineered clan. the whole game has become a joke.
This will be the issue that kills this game!
Why do you think a th11 is "matched" with a th9?Quote:
Originally Posted by Altare
We run most 10 x 10 wars with some 15 x 15. Most of our matches since October have been "fair".
We've had a small advantage in some, the other clan had a small advantage in other. I can only think of 2 wars I knew were over before they started, one in our favor, one staked against us.
We don't run engineered bases or throw a lot of dreck at the bottom to try and game match making. We mostly have TH9s but a few are about to graduate to TH10. Sometime we have some bases below TH8 who opt in and that seems to have a bigger variance in the war opponents we wee that war. I think both wars where one clan had pretty big advantage it was due to our wide range of THs in search.
well that what happens to my clan TH11's Matching against TH9's or Max 8's. my personal experience I have seen them rank considerably down the roster even against TH7's and lowerQuote:
Originally Posted by 2222
That rank is listed in order of defence strength only - so you can pick opponents when you attack. The offence doesn't affect the list order, but is taken into account when selecting matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altare
Again, though, what is telling you that it "matched" that way. All you see on the clan page is the order of defensive strength. You don't see what the offensive weight was for each base. You don't see how much importance SC put on the top of the map vs the bottom. You don't see how much SC factored in recent war results. You only see the order of defensive strength. You don't see a "match."Quote:
Originally Posted by Altare
This same discussion is all over forums.
We war twice a week and haven't had a big ordeal with mis-matching or engineered bases/clans. Our war spread is th7 - th10.
A while back our roster included a few th11s and usually a th6 on bottom -- this is when we seen the most difficult matches. Our war rate did drop to about 70 % from 80.
It didn't cause us to lose every war & it actually made us stronger. We got better & spent more time looking for and sharing new strategies.
I think leaders need to study war weights on their roster and give some consideration to this. Also the bigger the th spread seems to bring more difficult or more mis-matched wars.
We have fair matches almost always. The only time I remember we got an unfair match was a 50x50 war (2 TH11 vs 6 TH11). We got crushed, but managed to get all Clan XP (except those 50 from victory, of course)
We have no engineered bases, only 2 TH10 that are building 9.5.
Unfortunately you are not the only one facing these lopsided match ups. Super Cell needs to completely destroy the current matching logarithm. Want a quick solution, make it offensive war weight count more than defensive and start including heroe lvls into the war weight picture. Do this for around 6 months and than switch back to the old system. I can guarantee you that those engineered clans will start upgrading their defences.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil3
What on earth makes you think heroes aren't factored into the war weights?Quote:
Originally Posted by prosper12
Offensive weight became a big factor in October. The engineering advantage was reduced. More improvements can be made, but SC is on the right track.
SC need to ensure there are similar numbers of different th in war,especially at top of group..we very rarely have similar or better number th towards the top..none of our bases are rushed,engineered or .5 and thats why i think we always seem to be at a disadvantage th wise..sc need to fix this!
With the matches that our clan has been getting for months, I'd say hero levels matter a lot. We war with TH9 and up. Several of our TH9's have high level heroes (25/25+). When we go to war, we are usually outmatched up top, ie, our opponents have an extra TH10, or more powerful 10's or 11's, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by prosper12
In my experience, high level heroes used to be an advantage because they flew under the radar. I have the sense that is no longer the case. In fact, from a matchmaking perspective, I'm not sure high level TH9 heroes are a good idea anymore if you war with TH9-11 because you'll be weaker up top where it matters more (IMHO, of course, as I know there are countless threads where people argue this both ways).