You can also match Th9 vs TH9, but with a weight inside this category, low, mid , max. Problem solved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lakshya1106
No fun for a th9 to 6 stars TH8 at every war during 6 month also.
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You can also match Th9 vs TH9, but with a weight inside this category, low, mid , max. Problem solved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lakshya1106
No fun for a th9 to 6 stars TH8 at every war during 6 month also.
Nobody is talking about the fun, the skills and the glory when hitting an equivalent TH. Only win or loose seems to matter. it's like fighting against kids and being proud to win.
https://www.google.co.in/imgres?imgu...act=mrc&uact=8Quote:
Originally Posted by Funktastic
In my country many people make engineered base and sell it.. because now its high demand....soon coc will full with engineered base....no more farming just war everytime to collect resource for upgrade troop.. and spend little for deff......like it or not all people must have engineered base for backup war attack...
No... weak bases should still match with weak ths (low/weak/new th10s should match other low th10s -- just not th9s or th8s...).Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222
Just because your mirror is a max th9 doesn't mean you have to hit that target. Not saying this is the best idea, but pretty sure my clan would be able to figure it out.
engineering and the mirror argument.
Am I the only one this is bothering.
When a clan has 3 TH11 Mirroring TH8's. The engineer is always saying something to the sort of "your not matched with your mirror etc."
But in reality you are matched to the mirror as SC matchmaker when putting together the match viewed those bases a defensively closest comparison. Now most everyone understands you don't have to hit your mirror which is 100% accurate.
As much as I dislike some of the pro's arguments and statements, this one is entirely true. You are not matched to your mirror. You're weighed as an entire clan. Check out some of the conversations about this in the clan war sub.Quote:
Originally Posted by Endofdays
Not everyone has fun the same way you do. :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Funktastic
They may not find the challenge of planning on a base as good as their own as fun as simply rolling a lower base for 6 stars so their clan can win.
The reason people point out you aren't "matched" to your mirror is because it is true. When you compare the maps what you see is your mirror has the same rank in his clan for defensive weight. If you are 9th in weight in your clan, your mirror is 9th in defensive weight for his clan. However, you don't see the offensive weight. He might be compared to #2 in your clan for offense. I still think SC needs to do more to take away the advantage of engineering, but that doesn't mean we should incorrectly describe how bases are "matched" while discussing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Endofdays
Sure. Rushers should be matched with rushers/very weak-bases of the same townhall level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zegaloft
Caveat: only if they have spells, troop space, CC space, heroes, troop upgrades, new defenses (xbows/infernos/eagle), ... of that townhall level.
(if needed, schedule the matchmaking algo every 30-60 min to help improve the matching pool)
Dont really see the problem that someone found a way to work the combat triangle to their advantage
Engineered Bases means ? 😟
pretty sure the definition of combat triangle is more or less a system of checks and balances...so by definition working any combat triangle to your advantage isn't fair play. That being said it's not a problem that someone found a way to work anything in their favor. I believe the problem is the MM system used by sc for cws. I don't think anyone has a problem with these folks engineering their bases. Its more that people like me who have invested a lot of time into maxing their base, more importantly into their clan and it's sucsessful war log, only to find themselves loosing to what they consider an uneven matchup. In our experience when the other team has 6 to your 2 or even 4 th11 attacks it's an uneven matchup and don't think anyone can disagree with that. In conclusion engineer away. In fact do whatever you want to do. All we want is even matchups...in other words if they have 6 th11 attacks then the opponent should also have 6 th11 attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunday101
Supercell can easily make any th gets matched at least against another th of the same level and then look at the weights. The thing is that people saw this exploit and have invested a lot of money into their bases to get them that competitive advantage asap😸... Supercell likes money. It's the way it is boys, if it makes money it's here to stay. Build your engineer bases or go full th11 wars... Stop whining it's the meta
Low def max troops walls spellsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kevinir
this is just one of many types of engineering, see the clan war subforum for more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunday101
One thing's for sure, it will change, as everything in this game does. Today's meta is tomorrow's folly. Only a matter of when...bet that.
Here u go, another person trying to justify it by implying engineers are the heart of SC income. LOL. Same excuses was brought up by moders who got banned, remember? There are plenty engineers who didn't spent a dime, there are also who spent a bunch but the same applies to non engineers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Happyharpy
Just prepare urself for the inevitable MM tweak, man up and face ur strength. I don't care if u continue to engineer, but u should have future wars with ur like minded chiefs. Have a competition of who has the longest grey line in their war log.
Edit : meta = most effective tactic available, not most effective exploit available, as per ur interpretation!
Take for example one of the most successful strategy game ever created, starcraft, it comes down to the experience lvl, strategy used in game (build order - speed and precision of execution). There is no engineering in that game, how is it possible?
It will take some time, but I'm confident SC will hit the nail on the engineering coffin once and for all.
Engineering is not an exploit it is a strategy so that makes it the Meta.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkylineBay
If you think it is an exploit please link me to if or when supercell every stated that. An exploit is designated by Supercell, not by wannabe sc spokesperson championing their opinions and saying "i dont like your strat so its an exploit".
also a simple google search will reveal starcraft has multiple exploits and cheats.
Like I mentioned earlier, I don't give a flying beep if u engineer or not, but there shouldn't be any advantages to engineers. It's another way to play the game, more diversity the better the game is better, only that when it comes to wars it should be even playfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathandrake2017
And imo it's an exploit, just as th sniping was, it's not the way it was intended for the game to evolve, but since there are ppl who will always try to gain the system, they managed to screw wars up, u can't disagree with that.
On the other side why are you so afraid of facing ur equal engineers in wars? Would take take the fun away from wars to you? If u answer with yes, u know how non engineers feel.
Regarding starcraft, there are offline cheats, but none at the competitive lvl, e-sport lvl.
Just a thought: We can't have both diversity and balance. Meaning, if engineering is to give no advantage, then it would become useless, and the bases are a liability. So if we want to preserve diversity in the game, the argument should not be for completely balanced matchmaking, but more to reduce the advantage, but still keep it, so that engineering would be a viable playstyle.
SkylineBay is right. Supercell decides how the game is intended to be played.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkylineBay
I played World of Warcraft professionally for about a year, and I can tell you 100% that the reason cheats aren't used in competitive is because top ranked players will always find a strategy that may or may not have been intended.
Like it or not, engineering is NOT an exploit. The game literally allows you to upgrade your TH as much as you want with the only limitation being gold capacity. Players can choose to upgrade as they please.
To refine my stand, it's not an exploit of the game, it's an exploit of the MM (roster engineering) imo, grey area that is permitted. I apologize for that opinion of mine, it's just that I get so aggravated by these engineers trying to justify their way of them doing nothing wrong. They are screwing wars up big time.
Perhaps it's just me, but I feel like the majority of engineers are ex moders who had an edge back then and decided to start over going the same path of cowerdness. Only this time they stay in the permitted boundary.
I feel this way because they are using the same excuses they were using before and after octopus was introduced.
Engineering is killing casual clan wars. Most peeps want to protect their loot he ce dropping new defenses down and engineers prey on these kind of clans. we run a few .5's mainly to be able to compete not cause we want to. As a leader of a level tem casual war clan it is stupid hard to balance my clan now before i hit war search... we dont have any engineers as i encoutage my clan to move out of the .5 game once they can three or even do a decent two star at th9+.
It has also killed recruiting cause now a th9 with 10/10 heroes and max bows is a hinderence in war which until u can resaetch faster at th9+ will remain a problem cause with 4-5 builders and activity u can max defenses pretty quick.
HilariousQuote:
Originally Posted by Adevati
hopefully lach Skywalker won't be tempted by the dark side
1 this thread is about communication from supercellQuote:
Originally Posted by Xjstryker
2 things you are blaming on engineering are actually things you should blame on the matchmaker
3 you need to define engineering to be able to discuss it with any value
4 maxers killed war for casuals especially rushers - NO RUSHERS was the clan motto and many poor new players who slightly rushed townhall quit clash, poor attackers were also swiftly booted
5 you can war and compete as a maxed clan, many have fantastic war logs, perhaps work on your base building and attacking skills
I think it's possible, it would be another lvl of competition. Just like we do in leagues (cwl, cwll,mlcw,...) matching up on even playfield where both sides have the same chance to win, so would engineers have an even playfield where they can compete.Quote:
Originally Posted by NotTheRealPaul
The question is are these engineers willing to accept the even playfield?
So it would definitely keep them around (not making them liabily) and let them decide how they want to upgrade their bases, only that their search for a warmatch would take longer I'd presume.
Yes we can, we have a very green war log mainly due to many hours balancing my clan and learning where and when move my chess pieces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikingchief
This is me communicating to SC that it needs to be fixed and they need to do somethng about it. I have already complained using in game support.
So shhhhhhh plzzzzz bro...., lol
Well it is a fact that 46 players in my clan now sit on there hands, waiting for either a new matching system or that we all max out bases. I find this sad and not intended to be the way the game was supposed to be played.
all you 0.5 players can argue for your way of gaming you want, the fact is we don't find it fun to play against that style. I can only think of small kids playing 0.5 base style as a way of......ohhhh otherwise I am challenged.
this grown up has it and is now getting bored, we just want a actually even challenge in war, is that so hard to understand?
people like these were ALWAYS A HINDRANCE. its not because of engineering that they suddenly became a burden. they always were and areQuote:
Originally Posted by Xjstryker
what a fallacious argument
And they likely always will be; can't count the number of wars we have won because their TH9's had L3 xbows and max walls with teenage heroes...Quote:
Originally Posted by waxbaseee
i think your clan has the kiddy mindset. really? just because you face .5 you say its unfair. SERIOUSLY? the reason you lose to .5 clans is because your clan is bad at attacking. if a th9 cant 3 star a 9.5, thats no ones fault but your own.Quote:
Originally Posted by MixMaxwin
btw get this, life is never fair, similarly, clash isnt always fair too. oh, and throw in one more. all is fair in love and war.
engineered clan? meh easy 3 star on their bottom bases, we got good attackers, still get the win most of the time
stop with the fixed mindset and move on to a growth mindset.
just a bunch of bases sitting there to be easily 3 starred by a competent th9Quote:
Originally Posted by Denton
really?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkylineBay
so engineers with th11 offence hitting over th11s isnt hitting your own strength?
th10 troops hitting th10s isnt hitting yo own strength?
am i reading something wrong here
blah blah blah if you really think you are hot stuff pm me and i can arrange a war and yes there are cheats at the competitive levels and no engineering is not an exploit.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkylineBay
uhhh you realize most modders mod at the elite level which you praise and suck up to so much?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkylineBay
stay on target! being toxic helps nobody
regarding the word 'exploit' - yes and no - it's a relative term. however there's no doubt that they're sandbagging the mm system, thus taking a wide step away from fair play.
the best suited fix presented thus far is to ensure that the 2 warring clans have an equal number of thXs. where X can be a gradable value (ie th9 max/mid/low) - this is what i'm hoping SC to come back with soon (yes, i know - my optimism is way past naivety).
Yes my bad.
We should all stray from an irrelevant discussion of whether engineered bases are an exploit or not... pretty useless dicussion since theres no mediator or any one confirming.
Your continued assertions that engineering is not "fair play" are adding to the toxicityQuote:
Originally Posted by wysiwyg
SC confirmed that lopsided bases are part of the game when they said that they were looking to balance them. All else is pointless, a tale, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathandrake2017
Regardless its still pointless arguing that engineering is an exploit (even though sc said it is not).Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspex
Sounds like a bunch of whiners that dont like competition in the game there are many games that have lopsided attks. Guess aa pure in "runescape" needs to be nerf cause they can ko a main ...����
I know the rumors/facts regarding continuous moders in cwl, unfortunately it's a sad situation, yet if they do so they agree upon using the same amount of moders on each side. I don't embrace it by any means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathandrake2017
But does that make u want to go backstabbing the other side of fp community?
And yes I praise the high lvl end game where its an even playfield.
This is the bottom line some just simply don't want to accept facing competition which is played on even playfield, which is cowerdness IMHO.
Ur mentioning offensive side of the story, which is how it should be, but ur missing the defensive side where some hide behind the MM curtain, roster engineering has to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxbaseee
so its ok to cheat if both clans cheat? and im talking about the CWL. Modders before the bans infested mostly high level wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkylineBay
Engineering is FP so i am not backstabbing anyone.
thank you for THE point of cause you are right and me and my clan is a bunch of winners. It made us all want to play again and yes we suck at this game, and we have to after more than 3 years and a lvl 10 clan to do some more practice. As we suck, and it does not have anything at all to do with the matct making.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxbaseee
I am sure that is therefor this theme is so discussed, because there is no advantage in having 0.5 bases, and it is picking up speed being the must important thing to have in cw
.5s are actually very inconsistent and sucky. And thanks for the admission. This is not the matchmaker's fault, it is yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by MixMaxwin
I do not agree with that statement. I believe .5 styles bases still thrive in the correct lineup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathandrake2017
I like that you added in the correct lineup.Quote:
Originally Posted by xXXCHRISXXx
In a clan of mostly balanced or max bases a .5 will hurt you. In a heavily engineered clan, you should be fine
I think you are missing the issue. Well engineered clans get the advantage of extra attacks up high and its a major advantage. Even alot of honest engineers will admit that, why else would it be done. Calling people whinners for wanting a more balanced MM well i guess everyone is entitled to a opinion even tho you keep insulting those who dont share yours. Its a valid requestto want better balance if you cant see that well i dunno what to tell you. Very few of the reasonable clashers want to remove engineers from the game they just want the other playstyles to be a valid route aswell. Is that really a absurd stance to take? I dont think so. Most im sure would even be ok if engineering gave a small advantage as its impossible to completely remove, just not the absurd advantage that can be obtained with MM manipulation. Last i will say SC seems to agree with this stance since they have taken steps to reduce the advantage that can be obtained.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxbaseee
I'm seeing something different than you're saying. I stand by my statement, in the correct lineup and yes I'm a max style clan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathandrake2017
Exactly. Just shows that .5s are inconsistent. Im seeing the exact opposite both enemies and me and my other clans. You are seeing something different. If engineering was a consistent advantage id suspect there would be more complaints about this and more uniformityQuote:
Originally Posted by xXXCHRISXXx
There is no doubt a proper engineered clan will gain an advantage. IMO, there has been more than enough complaints, it's just players as yourself write them off as if they're completely false.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathandrake2017
Are you seriously calling .5s properly engineered?Quote:
Originally Posted by xXXCHRISXXx
We were talking about .5s right?
also someone posted something where they had a very balanced roster and they added ONE .5 and promptly got mismatched and lost.
.5s = liability (only if the .5s are well-developed with strong heroes and troops)
No denying that
enough complains by the vocal minority creating new forum accounts and spamming the wrong sub forumQuote:
Originally Posted by xXXCHRISXXx
And you're sure of this? As I stated earlier, some people are just too quick to dismiss the complaint.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxbaseee
Please break your silence SC... I can't stand seeing this thread anymore...
yup im sure. forums make up a tinyyyyy amount of players, complains are even fewer.Quote:
Originally Posted by xXXCHRISXXx
logical deduction.
and engineers make up a small % of the player population, they arent as common as you say
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. My opinion is different. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean the complaint isn't legit. If they're as rare as you're saying Supercell wouldn't need to balance them.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxbaseee
I irony is they broke their silence long before this thread started. They said they are adjusting matchmaking to counter engineered (they called them lopsided) bases and they have. There is more they can do but they have started and it has made a difference and they weren't silent about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by RagnarFurias
I think their comments & actions were vague enough that many folks feel like basically nothing will change...Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222
Regardless of what some people "feel", things have already changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyDragon
SC are known for not being overly specific WRT war matchmaking so if those same people want a point by point explanation of the MM and exactly how SC will be adjusting it they will forever be doomed to disappointment.
To me there is a problem with expectations. They have a communication style as a company, and have had that consistently for years, and actually in response to players about 6 months ago adopted a changed strategy on which a little more is communicated. Now some might think they ought to be different than they are, but it's not really reasonable to look for a huge shift at this time just in relation to this issue. They gave us the basic direction: they think lopsided bases have had an unwarranted advantage in matchmaking and are making ongoing efforts to address this in regular updates, and are monitoring the initial set of changes to reveal what further tweaking may be required. Yes, it's not particularly specific, but then they don't owe us details.Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyDragon
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomville
Besides, when they do say more, the forum gets into an uproar. SC can't win either way.
THIS THREAD HAS BEEN UP FOR 3 WEEKS
And only thing I can make out is
SC IS IGNORING US
Huh
No answer for a top thread going live from 3 weeks just means that they don't want this thread to move on just ignoring and waiting till this thread dies away
I know ignoring a thing doesn't mean same thing everytime but in this case most obviously they don't want to answer us
Don't be ridiculous. SC had commented on this issue prior to this thread even being made. They had made changes to the mm prior to this thread being made. This is a pointless thread that has had 560 odd replies too many IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lakshya1106
There used to be a strip in Viz Comics about someone who would ask people the time and ignore the answer, then ask them the time again. That is what this thread reminds me of. SC have already answered the question that this thread asks.
Uproar or no, feedback is never a bad thing, and it's not like there is never any uproar with them saying nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by orion10
its my opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by xXXCHRISXXx
how is what i say wrong at all? its true the forums make up a very tiny population of clashers.
and engineering complaints arent started by every forum member.
therefore, engineered complains are actually in the minority in the entirety of clash
My good mate wax, how are you today? If we adopted that attitude, then every subject raised on the forum could be interpreted as being in the minority.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxbaseee
I wonder, do many clans (casual clans) face engineered clans, but aren't aware of the concept?
Do they lose and not care?
Do they win and not care?
Do they feel like it was never an issue to begin with?
Do the premmiee/ casuals continue warring but not notice if they are at an advantage or dissadvantage in war sometimes?
pretty true actually. only thing that wasnt in minority was TH sniping.Quote:
Originally Posted by dfox
when my clan first encounter engineering clan it was a heartbreaking lost , and comes another engineering clan again a heartbreak . Supercell said they dont violate any laws or policy of the game , they could not even do any changes with matchmaking . So why is your clan still in crying for sympathy ? Engineering clan also has a bright side , it makes the clan balance . attacks may comes from any angles so it makes the war more exciting . primarily top can only attacks the opponent's top but now it may come from the middle or bottom. dont you people see it ? i have been playing the game 3 yrs already , the thread of the clanwar goes to the engineering area. So if supercell cant do anything about it , ask your leader to make a transition to engineering clan . And may the best engineering clan wins !!!!!!!
Don't be ridiculous by yourself. :p In respect to communication SC throws a bone from time to time to their customers. Obviously not good enough communication otherwise these types of threads wouldn't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspex
The fact that we are not used to any community mamagment from SC, doesn't mean, that this is how it should be.
This topic and many others would really deserve a clear communication from SC. If you are content with the actual community management from SC...fell free to do so. Many others aren't ....
Agreed. Good points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomville
On the bright side, it seems like the community hasn't given up hope yet... :p
I think the idea of having engineered clans matched up with engineered clans is definitely the way to go. It seems that's what they are trying to do, but clans with .5's also seem to be getting mixed up in there and possibly just newly minted townhall upgrades. I'm sure they will continue working on it.
This seems like the most appropriate way to deal with it so everyone can continue playing and accounts one way or another don't become worthless. However, I suspect that the only folks who are good with this solution are non-engineers. Reason? The engineers don't want to face other engineers. They want to face normal clans with normal upgrades because that's where they get their advantage.
Engineered bases are not considered cheating by supercell[period]. Having engineered bases does not give a clan an unfair advantage[period]. Any advantage a clan might get from using engineered bases is fair and legal, everyone has the same ability to use them if they choose. The game is always evolving, and SC is always tweaking the game, nerfing and buffing troops.and one day they may do the same for engineered bases (balancing the game as they like to call it), but until they do, there is nothing wrong with using them. When bowlers and miners were OP, clans used them and had advantage over clans that didn't use them or didn't use them effectively. It was advantageous to use them, but it wan't unfair, and them same goes for engineered bases[period].
You're trolling mate. Never did I say your opinion was wrong. I said, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. You're contradicting yourself btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxbaseee
Just give it time SC will continue to tweak MM.
Remember all the complaints threads about zapping DE. And the No loot threads. It takes them a while but they will fix MM.
i will say that engineering which is a far diferent thing than a simple .5. Is not in the spirit of the game. Similiar to leaving TH outside ur base wasnt over a year ago. Even some utubers have gotten behind the anti engineer and more of them seem to have SC's ear.
Since December update we have faced a few engineer clans and the match ups havnt been as nearly as bad as before. They did seem to weight offense a hair higher. But we have also faced some matches that were heavily in our favor, and the problem was opposing clan upgrading way too much defense with out anything to kill a equally matched defensive clan with offense, (baby heroes mainly)
.5 was started as a simple transition to a new TH level and is still a great idea. But there are always those people that wanna take it too far and find out how much they can get away with, hence the birth of engineering.
I do hope SC would say what they are doing about this for the future instead of just making behind the scenes changes. Have u seen how much defenseless accts (with a paperclip) sell for on ebay lol. So i do hope they say something soon the keep people from spemding more money there are for gemming offense just so they feel like they can compete in war for their clans.
You are correct that engineered bases are not considered cheating by supercell (or by me).Quote:
Originally Posted by craigstadler9999
Having engineered bases, if done correctly, does provide an advantage, although not as much as they used to. Whether it is an "unfair" advantage is a matter of opinion. Personally, I think that debate is almost senseless to have. The better debate is what is good for the game and I'm sure that is the one SC has. Will they help or hurt the long term health of the game by reducing the advantage of engineered bases? That is their question.
You are correct that any advantage a clan gets from engineering is legal. Whether it is fair or not, see the above paragraph.
Everyone has the same ability to use engineering on their second accounts. Many of us started playing before there were wars. As for second accounts, what about the person who doesn't have a second device? Yes, I know a player can put more than one account on a device but SC frowns upon that.
As for the tweaking, SC has already done a lot to reduce the advantage of engineered bases and will continue to to so I'm sure. There may be times where certain changes have unintended consequences. You say "until they do, there is nothing wrong with using them" which is a confusing statement. Now that you have been informed that SC has already made changes to reduce the advantage of engineered accounts (and has stated they are trying to reduce the advantage of them), does that mean you think now it is wrong to use engineered accounts? Personally, I disagree, but apparently you think it is wrong to use engineered accounts now that SC has made attempts to balance the war matches against engineering.
Bowlers and miners weren't OP. Let's not go there though. I agree it wasn't unfair to use them, of course. I also agree it isn't unfair to use engineered accounts. It isn't cheating, it is within the rules. SC has stated they want to reduce the advantage of lopsided bases and they have. I suspect they are continuing to work on it.
Period.
however, i think everyone should be entitled to the truth, whether you accept it or not, i cant sayQuote:
Originally Posted by xXXCHRISXXx
Our clan has already started going the engineered route. Better start late than never. Does not appear the SC will tweak the MM system soon. I suggest everybody encourage your Th7, th8 etc to upgrade to the next lvl and focus on a key troop upgrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by jemclash
no one is ♥♥♥♥♥ing and moaning about "rushed" trash players, which is basically the same as engineered, except with different motivation and affect. Supercell can address this easily, by requiring people to have certain prereq's. for example you can't upgrade TH unless you are maxed out, or you can't upgrade heroes to certain levels unless certain defenses and troop levels are achieved.
If SC did what you propose, what would they do with all of the bases that are already rushed or engineered? Make them go to lower th? I think not. Players who rush are lining SC pockets. Engineers are taking advantage of the system. We war regularly and very seldom do we face an engineered clan and when we do we usually win. If people want to play that way who cares. It's a free game played by millions. If a small percentage of them want to engineer so be it. That's what makes the game fun for them. Who am I to say how someone else should play?Quote:
Originally Posted by craigstadler9999
They already did tweak it in October. You likely will now be facing more engineered clans or stronger clans due to your use of engineering.Quote:
Originally Posted by prosper12
At some point SC will get this right and engineered bases will be at a disadvantage. No one thought th sniping was gonna go away and yet it did because most attacks were just that.
Did you read the post that I responded to? It was ridiculous, caps and all.Quote:
Originally Posted by NasuaNasua
SC clearly communicated that they would be balancing lopsided bases. SC then made changes to the MM that have started to do so. What more do you want communicated?
They will never give us the details of the MM system and expecting them to repeat themselves ad infinitum is akin to "are we there yet" from children on a journey.
I agree and this is exactly why no one should have voted for this question to go to SC in Lach's poll. All those voters did is give SC an excuse to give us no new information, because we asked a question they have already answered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspex
I have to go to the bathroom!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspex
hmm how come no reply to my post?Quote:
Originally Posted by xXXCHRISXXx
Not so. Just has 12 wins on the trot, and not an engineer seen in oppo. We have 3 max th9 at top and 4 very weak th11 with drags6, and teen King/Queen/Warden. Don't believe all you read.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222
Engineer or DIE.
If you don't think anything changed in October you know very little about engineering and war match making. Sorry to sound harsh, but it's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kellet
Didn't change enough to stop us winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222
We are fair play clan. As our win streak getting higher we r getting engineered opponents in 30v30 wars . And probability our win streak will be broken by those unfair players. -_-
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Originally Posted by SukanthaMudi1991
This statement in engineering threads cracks me up.
Fair play has already been defined by SC if you weren't fair play: it's not as if you would come here and say, "we are a mod clan that wars once a fortnight."
Well the war I'm in came up so unfair. A TH10 with max Valks, miners and golem with heroes over lvl 10 is considered a TH7. #1 in our war is an 8.5. Wars lost for sure now.
It's still within the confines of fair play. And why the heck are we still blaming engineers when it's the MM system that needs work?Quote:
Originally Posted by RayTyson
Systems, like games, are rarely perfect and can be exploited while remaining within the rules of the game.
Such people are sandbagging the competition. Is it against the rules - no. Is it fair play - no.
And until the mm system is fixed to deal with these lopsiders, our only hope for even match ups is to do a rain dance in the hopes that our opponent has the good sportsmanship to be as equally committed to fair play as we are.
Just for info :-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl1fbEaJaEs
:)
I'll summarize Clash Tutor's "END OF ENGINEERED BASES!" video, on how to avoid engineered clans:Quote:
Originally Posted by Skrags
1. keep bases "balanced" (don't delay defenses by more than 1 townhall lower)
2. best to try for large wars (like "40x40" are easier to matchup)
3. keep townhall levels close together (like th7-9)
4. restart war-search every 30 min
5. accept that large win streaks increases the chance you'll meet engineered clans
IMAO, it doesn't really seem like anything has changed...
Yea, I like her videos; however this information is horrible. We have a roster of all balanced bases, and continually match clans with double the amount of th10 then us, double the amount of th11, with TH9 defensive weights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skrags
current breakdown
Us
1/6/12 with 1 garbage base at the bottom.
Them
7/7/4/2 th8s
So in a 20v , opponent can use dip attacks on 19 out of 20 bases. We have 19 "balanced" bases out of 20. Other team has half the roster of .5
Using her advice you will be sorely disappointed.
Unless "playing as intended" is attacking 1 town hall lower ?
3 of these do absolutely nothing for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyDragon
We usually match around 30 minutes. so I cannot really comment on that...