SC - Please Break Your Silence On Engineered Bases

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Originally Posted by Freyja1

Ah, thx. That was an older answer. Thought there had been something newer.
SC's newer mm got us into this mess & only that can get us out of it. They aren't gonna tell us any changes except by broad strokes.

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Yes, it's an older answer, hence the OP using the phrase "break your silence" in the title. Unfortunately rather a lot of people have missed the point of the OP and instead chosen to rehash the shallower stuff already said over and over pro and anti engineering. Those closer to the mark posted on what they thought they'd seen changing. But the majority didn't get that it was a question to do with expectations and information possibilities rather than about engineering per se (which likely would be why mods have left it in global rather than moving it - it belongs here on that topic). Perhaps I'm too cynical with the forum today as I'm sitting here thinking the next post is fairly likely to read "Lolz eng/10 char"

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Originally Posted by SukanthaMudi1991

Sc can't define which is fair or not. We are human and we know by our common sense that which is fair not not but some ppl r not using there common sense in the name of sc.

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take this.
2 students fully know the pros and cons of finland and US education systems.
one student follows the finnish education system, one the US.

the one from finland comes out better, simply because the student made a smarter choice.
same here, engineers turned out better in wars.

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Originally Posted by SukanthaMudi1991

Sc can't define which is fair or not. We are human and we know by our common sense that which is fair not not but some ppl r not using there common sense in the name of sc.

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https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...aging-Fairplay

There you go. They can and they do define what is "fairplay" in their game. We are playing their game, they have the end say.

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Originally Posted by HappyDragon

I'll summarize Clash Tutor's "END OF ENGINEERED BASES!" video, on how to avoid engineered clans:

1. keep bases "balanced" (don't delay defenses by more than 1 townhall lower)
2. best to try for large wars (like "40x40" are easier to matchup)
3. keep townhall levels close together (like th7-9)
4. restart war-search every 30 min
5. accept that large win streaks increases the chance you'll meet engineered clans

IMAO, it doesn't really seem like anything has changed...

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You also may want to compare that list, with this thread, made by our community :-

https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...mpetitive-wars

And, with reference to :-
https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...Solution/page7

Skrags:)

Feels like court. The issue of debate - sandbagging. Will the judge (sc / tencent) decide that sandbagging is within what they call a "fair and level playing field" or not.

This is exciting. I'm seriously giddy to hear their judgment.

Granted, I hope they give us a concrete answer. If they give us a vague response like they had for modders, then take years to fix it... I may ask holps to put me down for a modest bounty.

Now if you'll excuse me, my th9 needs to 3-star two th10s with ITs in order to win our war. Cue the "funeral march"

If they allow engineering, they should publish the weight of each building publicly, every player of the game should be equal and know what is he doing while upgrading. For the moment it's just an exploit of some people that have found how the MM algorithm work.

Just a little Quick quistion to the people who are pro engineered bases, why do you play this way ?

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Originally Posted by MixMaxwin

Just a little Quick quistion to the people who are pro engineered bases, why do you play this way ?

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Please do not hijack the OP's thread. You've asked an interesting question, but it belongs in its own thread in the war subforum rather than here further derailing the discussion.

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Originally Posted by Tomville

Yes, it's an older answer, hence the OP using the phrase "break your silence" in the title. Unfortunately rather a lot of people have missed the point of the OP and instead chosen to rehash the shallower stuff already said over and over pro and anti engineering. Those closer to the mark posted on what they thought they'd seen changing. But the majority didn't get that it was a question to do with expectations and information possibilities rather than about engineering per se (which likely would be why mods have left it in global rather than moving it - it belongs here on that topic). Perhaps I'm too cynical with the forum today as I'm sitting here thinking the next post is fairly likely to read "Lolz eng/10 char"

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Very nicely stated.

Reading through this, there are definitely some major things that I pointed out that you are missing or perhaps don't want to agree with. I of course don't agree with my solution being "half baked," but rather having to be tight-lipped about the reasons behind why I am promoting this methodology. This is not a solution to prevent facing engineered clans. Engineered clans are there. They have to match up with someone. It's not like if you have an engineered clan and base and you logged on this last updated and all of a sudden everything was reengineered to be balanced. Or as some would like to think, there are two separate clan war searches and Engineered clans end up in their own search. This is simply saying that Engineered clans are no longer the best advantage in clan war MM, and therefore it's likely that less engineered clans will exist as they adjust their clan to the new "advantage," which is balanced bases. Engineered clans however will exist if the majority of clans continue to play at the style where Engineered clans have an upperhand, which is the .5 style of play.

.5 and Engineered bases exist in the game. You can't change that. They're still in the clan war search. They will likely continue to exist for a long time, even at a disadvantage. What I am talking about is how your clan matches up against them and that by balancing your bases, you will have an advantage over these lopsided clans. And just because your clan isn't as lopsided as the other clan, doesn't mean that gives you an advantage over them. As there are balancing aspects to the algorithm to make up for ANY lopsidedness. Yes, I know you'd like to see your .5 base as being the right and just way to play and therefore should not have any lopsided adjustments applied to it. .5 IS lopsided. It's not AS lopsided as what we classify an engineered base or a defenseless base or an offenseless base, but it's still more lopsided than a balanced base. Also, remember this is the entire clan that is being put through this ringer of a MM algo to match up against an entire clan going through it's own ringer. No two clans are alike and there are SEVERAL factors being applied to each clans to determine how they actually rank and if it's fair to match them. I don't see the MM as trying to give advantages to one style of play or another, but rather trying to provide a fair matchup by taking into account ALL the styles of play and what might be the advantage and disadvantage of those styles of play. As such, certain styles of play are likely to gain the advantage, and I see that advantage going to balanced bases first and engineered (heavily lopsided to offense) second and .5s third. (And in a war, the .5 clans certainly could come out on top because they have better attackers and better base designs.)

Yes changes were made in October to MM. Some would say that update hit .5s the hardest and left engineers alone. I would agree it did affect .5s more than engineers. Yes they were again adjusted in Dec. And yes, I believe that things will continue to change to promote balanced bases having the best advantage in clan wars. I see the dev team making small adjustments each time, allowing time for the players to get on the right path for what works best in the current Clan war matching. Rather than logging on one day to not being able to compete at all in clan wars until your clan spends months upgraded defenses to catch up. And maybe not in the war you're doing right now will you see this, but as updates come, I believe you will see adjustments continue to be made to give clans that run balanced bases through the entire roster a better advantage. Many Engineered clans have already come out and said they have been drastically affected by the updates starting in October. So even if you're not seeing it, others are. And if you're still being consistently outmatched, look hard at the bases you're running and see what might be the cause of it.