SC - Please Break Your Silence On Engineered Bases

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January 21st, 2017
2222

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Originally Posted by MrJackrabbit

Sod blog is about building defenses just not high ones at each th. Max them at th10/11. Troops for war and trophy push are similar. You can still have a low war weight and not leave out defenses at the lower th but have it rise at the higher th. Btw there ace clans doing both right now and winning and pushing.

I didn't say you couldn't be good at war and trophy pushing, but there is no way you can say the two are consistent. There is zero benefit to leaving out a defense or not upgrading it for multiplayer. There are huge benefits to doing it in war. There will always be some imbalance, but the more SC can do to bring them closer together, I support. Until then, I don't fault anyone for engineering as best they can if they care more about war than multiplayer.
January 21st, 2017
MrJackrabbit

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Originally Posted by 2222

I didn't say you couldn't be good at war and trophy pushing, but there is no way you can say the two are consistent. There is zero benefit to leaving out a defense or not upgrading it for multiplayer. There are huge benefits to doing it in war. There will always be some imbalance, but the more SC can do to bring them closer together, I support. Until then, I don't fault anyone for engineering as best they can if they care more about war than multiplayer.

Im saying those huge benefits go away at the top th levels. Engineered doesnt have the huge advantage everyone thinks yes there can be a benefit but when you look at a clan as a whole you need to have some heavy attackers and some heavy defenders. Over the course of a villages journy they can move from heavy attackers to heavy defenders. It allows both. Btw heavy defenders are still strong attackers.
January 21st, 2017
Pythagore

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Originally Posted by 2222

How would that in any way counter engineering? How would that make leaving out certain defenses no longer good for war?

Currently a 50% 2 star attack is as good as a 98% 2 star attack in war, unless there is a tie.

This should not be the case.

I think it would put more emphasis on defenses and defending then in the current game.

Although I still think offense should still have a slight advantage as we play the game when we are attacking.
January 21st, 2017
WerewolfXS

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Originally Posted by 2222

It is very realistic to think that SC can make the most advantageous upgrade path more consistent between war and multiplayer. Perfection is unlikely, but never let the impossibility of perfection stop improvement.

Also, I'm not just talking about th11. Yes, my main account is th11, but there are millions of players who aren't and their upgrade path in both aspects of the game should be as consistent as SC can make it.

For those who really love engineering and think it should be rewarded, lets just make a new war plan. Everyone has their war base design and on that war base design they decide what defenses to use and at what levels. Same for troops. It is locked in when the match is sought. Now on war day you are only able to use the defenses, troops and levels you locked in before the match was found. We can all have a big huge engineering contest where we all try our hardest to make the most ridiculous matches we can. Now we can upgrade our bases however we want for multiplayer but not be hurt for war because we can engineer there too. Those of us who are so "smart" will pick the right defenses and troops and levels and we will be "rewarded" if we are "smarter" than the enemy clan in what we elected to go to war with. Should be fun right?

I think I will throw that out on the clan war forums and see what happens.

This isnt engineered... This is just someone playng with his base, without having to do nothing, if u want to have a engineered base, u must have to suffer at mp or trophy pushing(bases with low offense and high defense, new meta)
And if u think if sc make engineered a little less of advantage and will make maxer happy that they lose for less, i think u are making a little mistake....
January 21st, 2017
2222

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Originally Posted by Pythagore

Currently a 50% 2 star attack is as good as a 98% 2 star attack in war, unless there is a tie.

This should not be the case.

I think it would put more emphasis on defenses and defending then in the current game.

Although I still think offense should still have a slight advantage as we play the game when we are attacking.

I'm not saying there aren't reasons to improve the star system in war, I just don't see how it would lessen the advantage of engineering accounts or rosters.
January 21st, 2017
2222

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Originally Posted by WerewolfXS

This isnt engineered... This is just someone playng with his base, without having to do nothing, if u want to have a engineered base, u must have to suffer at mp or trophy pushing(bases with low offense and high defense, new meta)
And if u think if sc make engineered a little less of advantage and will make maxer happy that they lose for less, i think u are making a little mistake....

I'm not 100% sure what you are trying to say here, but it doesn't sound like you disagree with me that currently players are forced to choose between what is best for war and what is best for MP/trophies. My point is I support SC trying to make those two as consistent as possible so what is best for one is best for the other.
January 21st, 2017
WerewolfXS

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Originally Posted by 2222

I'm not 100% sure what you are trying to say here, but it doesn't sound like you disagree with me that currently players are forced to choose between what is best for war and what is best for MP/trophies. My point is I support SC trying to make those two as consistent as possible so what is best for one is best for the other.

I really dont think thete is a way since to make a th10 dont face a th11, they put somuch weight at ea, or Th10 vs th9, they put Weight at it....if they weight that much, why would i drop new stuff before maxing old one? And if they dont do this, ppl will complaing about bein matched against a th10 with everything being the same and he has it....
January 21st, 2017
MICTYSON187

Adapt or complain, the war system will always be minipulated
January 21st, 2017
Pythagore

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Originally Posted by 2222

I'm not saying there aren't reasons to improve the star system in war, I just don't see how it would lessen the advantage of engineering accounts or rosters.

Yeah...I guess it would not make a difference.

Back to the drawing board.

As a recent "engineered" / "rushed" TH 11, I am not building new defenses until my base is 3 starred in two wars. So far that has happened once and I added the 4th xbow because of it. So far I have not been 3 starred in war again. But when it happens, and it will, I will add or upgrade another defense. My base weight is currently 74k.

I do not envy SC in their attempts to balance all aspects of the game for everyone.

For whatever reason the current matchmaking system is working a lot better then the previous systems for my clan though.

We are now 119-115-2
January 21st, 2017
Vodzo

I remember pretty good SC saying.. "TH inside the base, because it was intended to be"
If thats the principal.... You might continue that thought... If you want to participate in war ??? Each TH must have certain amount and levels of defences..
Makes people think twice before rushing their TH.
TH9..? Only able to participate in war if you have all th8 level defensed + both bows + all available walls at a certain level.
WHY ?? Because it was intended to war like that!!

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