SC - Please Break Your Silence On Engineered Bases

Well said.

Lol LOOP Sided Bases look NOOB(y)

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Originally Posted by kevs926

easy to anticipate, yet alot of clans failed to do so. Oh the irony. The results of war isnt fully dependent on it anyway. layout, plans, and execution still matters. So you still play a PVP game, but you have to mind the matchmaker.

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They probably don't want to do it on purpose. I don't want to do it, but I am doing it because I got sick and tired of facing engineered clans every war. Now we discuss every single upgrade with players within the clan, with extra consideration to added weight. I am not even only talking about defensive weight either. I am quite capable of engineering my clan, but I hate the fact that I am forced to do it.

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Originally Posted by kevs926

...if any kind of base have the same war potential, the players will only have to consider multiplayer advantage. Basically everyone will gear towards a maxer base because there is no purpose for the lopsided base.

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Then you clearly didn't read the rushing guides. The fastest way to get to a maxed TH11 is by rushing. Fully defenseless bases are not a variety anyway, they are an abomination and need to disappear. But bases with low defense and high offense will be always viable if you want to get to the endgame faster.

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Originally Posted by topbtm

Mossack: I expect you should know better: there is no such thing as a TH11 with lev 6 drag being ever matched with a TH5. Comparing mirror bases is such noobs thing to do.

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This is the moment when I simply don't believe you're not TangoFever anymore.

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Originally Posted by topbtm

Really? what loophole? please state just one! Sight...another GASP with little (perhaps outdated) understanding about the mm. SC did an amazing job closing those ''loopholes'' already back in the October update, and further tweaked it in the December update.

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Well no, they only half closed that loophole, ref the omission I talked about in my post.

I'm sure if you handed over all the attacks of a medium-hero def strong clan to experienced, war focused players, it would be a hell of a ride. They'd likely put up better base designs, and would stand a far better chance of tripling the def weak bases of the engineers.

That's not the case the majority of the time, and partly by design.
Ignoring the existence of that skill/experience gap, or pretending that it's not one of the fundamental reasons for engineering in the first place, is rather disingenuous.

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Originally Posted by dorsan

This is the moment when I simply don't believe you're not TangoFever anymore.

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I called that like a month ago, glad to see others are finally catching on...

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Originally Posted by Upgrayyyyyyyyd

For the love of God...

These aren't engineers. They're try-hards.

Engineers are max hero, max walls, TH1-9 defenses, who win against mid range clans by playing the weights effectively.

Think mid range clans.

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Agree with you on your engineering standpoint to an extent, wouldn't call the rest try hards but rather lacking enthusiasm/effort.
As for who they win against... I've edited in the true answer...

if you want to be a top clan come bring your engineered clan to play an all TH11 clan... those horrid maxers as they're known by some...

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Originally Posted by gw2kpro

Good call. I should have qualified my statement with it with the phrase "whining". :)

At any rate, in my clan war experience, if you look at a lot of the war matchups where clans draw "engineered" clans (it's certainly true for ours) if you look at the bottom of the roster of the complaining clan............. you'll see a couple th3 halls or a defenseless base or two. Which skews their war weight downward to match the weight of the engineered clan.

So, often, the clan that is whining about "engineering" simply got "out-engineered" and is taking issue with it. Best way to avoid engineered clans (of course nothing is absolute) is to add all legitimate bases to your war roster.

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I have to agree to some extent. I've been advocating balanced bases within a balanced roster if you want 'fair' matchups, ever since the March 2016 update.

There's also a very good thread about 'How to get fair and competitive wars' here :-

https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...mpetitive-wars

My issue with this is simply ...Why?
Why should a clan like mine build balanced bases just to avoid those naughty engineered peeps?

Somebody quite correctly told me recently, that in fact, I am just as guilty of roster engineering as anyone else.
The difference being of course, I roster engineer , not to gain an advantage, but to avoid the disadvantage.

Quite an amusing concept really!

p.s. Post October and December, I still advocate balanced bases within a balanced roster!:)

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Originally Posted by dorsan

This is the moment when I simply don't believe you're not TangoFever anymore.

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This was mine. Because apparently those "mathematicians" can't actually do math.

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Originally Posted by topbtm

Really? what loophole? please state just one! Sight...another GASP with little (perhaps outdated) understanding about the mm. SC did an amazing job closing those ''loopholes'' already back in the October update, and further tweaked it in the December update.

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So long as the system is based majorly upon weights there will always be a way to gain some advantage by managing those weights.

The October update may have lessened the effect that lopsided bases have, but it did not remove it.

A TH11 defensless base with Level 6 Drags may not "draw" a TH5, but it certainly lessens the effect that other high power defenses or offenses have on the MM from other places in the lineup.

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Originally Posted by cleggy

Agree with you on your engineering standpoint to an extent, wouldn't call the rest try hards but rather lacking enthusiasm/effort.
As for who they win against... I've edited in the true answer...

if you want to be a top clan come bring your engineered clan to play an all TH11 clan... those horrid maxers as they're known by some...

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Sigh. You aren't maxers. You're gemmers. With a few die hard exceptions, of course.

Maxers exist at every TH level.