Why matchmaking needs a fix sooner rather than later

We all know matchmaking is broken and has been for a long time, wars are won an lost at the top and when you get heavily outmatched by either a stronger opponent with a bad match or an engineered clan regardless of your opinion on engineering it makes people want to rage quit and almost no point to warring.

We have had consistently bad matches since the Oct update, most of the time its against rushed clans who cant attack which isn't so bad albeit a little boring but occasionally you run into an engineered clan and you can see from the prep day almost zero point to the war as even if your all on your A game, your still going to lose.

For anyone disputing or curious to how bad out latest match is come and visit us, clan name GEARS BUDDIES, #8UV29YUL just quote "from forums" an just to give you an idea we have 2x th11 they have 5x th11 and they are not rushed.

I dont blame people who engineer for this as they are only taking advantage of being able to exploit ingame mechanics. I dont blame people who rush, if thats how you want to play fine.

I do blame a broken matchmaking system, imho it needs to stop looking at clan wide weight, an prioritise the top bases matching th lvl to th lvl an try an keep overall clan weight similar, this can be achieved by a minimum war weight for your townhall lvl, this alone would resolve most mis-matches and they need to at least do something before the next scheduled update around March.

As it stands we have 3 TH11s, several TH10s and due to poor matchmaking non of us have spent money, none of us want to anymore & its getting to the point where we dont even want to war anymore, the only reason most of us still play is for the community in our clan, that tells you there is a problem and i guarantee were not the only ones who feel like this.

As a stop gap if SC is working on it but won't have a quick release then id suggest a forfeit option - where both sides have to agree to prevent abuse and even if its not accepted a report sent to SC to highlight how widespread it is.

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Originally Posted by Praetoria

We all know matchmaking is broken and has been for a long time, wars are won an lost at the top and when you get heavily outmatched by either a stronger opponent with a bad match or an engineered clan regardless of your opinion on engineering it makes people want to rage quit and almost no point to warring.

We have had consistently bad matches since the Oct update, most of the time its against rushed clans who cant attack which isn't so bad albeit a little boring but occasionally you run into an engineered clan and you can see from the prep day almost zero point to the war as even if your all on your A game, your still going to lose.

For anyone disputing or curious to how bad out latest match is come and visit us, clan name GEARS BUDDIES, #8UV29YUL just quote "from forums" an just to give you an idea we have 2x th11 they have 5x th11 and they are not rushed.

I dont blame people who engineer for this as they are only taking advantage of being able to exploit ingame mechanics. I dont blame people who rush, if thats how you want to play fine.

I do blame a broken matchmaking system, imho it needs to stop looking at clan wide weight, an prioritise the top bases matching th lvl to th lvl an try an keep overall clan weight similar, this can be achieved by a minimum war weight for your townhall lvl, this alone would resolve most mis-matches and they need to at least do something before the next scheduled update around March.

As it stands we have 3 TH11s, several TH10s and due to poor matchmaking non of us have spent money, none of us want to anymore & its getting to the point where we dont even want to war anymore, the only reason most of us still play is for the community in our clan, that tells you there is a problem and i guarantee were not the only ones who feel like this.

As a stop gap if SC is working on it but won't have a quick release then id suggest a forfeit option - where both sides have to agree to prevent abuse and even if its not accepted a report sent to SC to highlight how widespread it is.

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Hello,
So many points here.
Firstly I would suggest reading posts on the Clan Wars sub forum, as there you will find lots of interesting opinions and help.

For example, to help avoid engineers, I would possibly read the following thread :-

https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...mpetitive-wars

I have highlighted some of your post. This suggestion seems to be proposed quite often on the forum, and I'm afraid it just won't work, and I'm a player who likes to 'max' his base. But even I can see the major flaws in this idea.

I would also add the following :-

Since the October update, most of our matches have been fair, and we rarely match engineers!:)

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Originally Posted by Skrags

Hello,
So many points here.
Firstly I would suggest reading posts on the Clan Wars sub forum, as there you will find lots of interesting opinions and help.

For example, to help avoid engineers, I would possibly read the following thread :-

https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...mpetitive-wars

I have highlighted some of your post. This suggestion seems to be proposed quite often on the forum, and I'm afraid it just won't work, and I'm a player who likes to 'max' his base. But even I can see the major flaws in this idea.

I would also add the following :-

Since the October update, most of our matches have been fair, and we rarely match engineers!:)

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Matches are different for everyone it seems, glad you've some luck with it because we haven't, care to expand on why my suggestion would not work? I see nothint wrong with a th11 being matched against another th11 or th10 vs th10 at the top in matchmaking over clan wide weight system that allows engineering or placing a bunch of low weight ths at the bottom to skew it

The most simple solutions is get some engeneers in your clan

A 'minimum war weight' for your TH level, which has no offensive or defensive strength, won't work.

A day old TH9 is a completely different base to a max TH9 with 30/30 Heroes and all lava walls.
By adding a weight to the Town Hall, all you are doing is encouraging MAXING, and alienating a huge proportion of players.

Roster engineering, as you describe is a slightly different issue, and you have my sympathy here.
This has been a big issue, although there are suggestions that the December update tweaked the effectiveness of such, AND promoted greater top end roster matching.

I'll ask a moderator to move this thread to the Clan Wars subforum, and hopefully you will get some more detailed responses.

The reality is, you shouldn't have to manage your own roster to get fair matches, I agree with your sentiment, but at the moment, it seems the best strategy to avoid bad matches.
Best wishes!:)

your solution will make matches OVER 6 HOURS. NO.

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Originally Posted by wouter2599

The most simple solutions is get some engeneers in your clan

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Quite the opposite in my opinion. If you include engineers in your clan, you are 'more likely' to match other engineers.

Again, check out the link in the thread I posted above.

Just to clarify, I've been advocating balanced bases within a balanced roster for a year now, and we 'rarely' match engineers!:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Skrags

A 'minimum war weight' for your TH level, which has no offensive or defensive strength, won't work.

A day old TH9 is a completely different base to a max TH9 with 30/30 Heroes and all lava walls.
By adding a weight to the Town Hall, all you are doing is encouraging MAXING, and alienating a huge proportion of players.

Roster engineering, as you describe is a slightly different issue, and you have my sympathy here.
This has been a big issue, although there are suggestions that the December update tweaked the effectiveness of such, AND promoted greater top end roster matching.

I'll ask a moderator to move this thread to the Clan Wars subforum, and hopefully you will get some more detailed responses.

The reality is, you shouldn't have to manage your own roster to get fair matches, I agree with your sentiment, but at the moment, it seems the best strategy to avoid bad matches.
Best wishes!:)

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I tend to disagree with the fact it wouldn't work. It's not being proposed that all TH 9's weigh a minimum of 70k (their max), it was saying that they should have a minimum TH weight. Why shouldn't EVERY TH 9 weigh at least 55k (minimum TH 9 weight). This alone would completely stop defenseless accounts. Yes there would be some possible skewing of the MM, but only on a TH level basis. That alone would be much better than what we have currently, such as seeing defenseless 30k TH 11s crush TH 9s. In the suggested resolution above that TH 11 would weigh 90k minimum, no one would put defenseless accounts in war, as they know it would pull a built TH 10. Although I do agree roster engineering would still be an issue. Several updates ago SC announced they were putting more emphasis on the top of the war map in MM, as honestly that's where the wars are won and lost in mixed clans. Although as of the October update, we just aren't seeing it.

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Originally Posted by Praetoria

Matches are different for everyone it seems, glad you've some luck with it because we haven't, care to expand on why my suggestion would not work? I see nothint wrong with a th11 being matched against another th11 or th10 vs th10 at the top in matchmaking over clan wide weight system that allows engineering or placing a bunch of low weight ths at the bottom to skew it

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But your solution of minimum weight does nothing to affect the more powerful engineering at the moment - the TH3s on the bottom to skew the total. Lopsided bases are themselves no advantage since October. What is an advantage is having some zero defence bases - they could be defenceless bases or just TH3s. Quite often it's defenceless, because that's what the engineers were using before October. But applying minimum TH weights just means the engineers swap out the defenceless for a TH3.

So in trying to fix lopsidedness you are trying to solve something that has been much improved already and just distracts from the actual problem - how a very weak bottom end of the roster allows excess strength at the top, which can give an overwhelming advantage.

We used to face these lopsided bases once every few wars. As of this moment we're facing our second terrible match up in a row.

I hope sc fixes this issue with sandbaggers faster than they handled modders. I can't stomach waiting another 2 years+ again