Engineered bases long term effect

O btw our war log is public if u wanna c lol. Got nothing to hide xD

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Originally Posted by ExclusiveInvicta

It's just another name for Top War Cheaters... ;)

Well... EX- top war cheaters anyways. Now it is just Top War Clans.

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I heard modders are still alive and kicking..but with much less frequency than before.

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Originally Posted by topbtm

I heard modders are still alive and kicking..but with much less frequency than before.

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It probably is but my clan stopped using them few months back. A little after the very first announcement. We used burners a bit, but not as much frequency as the pre-ban era

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Originally Posted by Johnnyfsullivan

I think what many engineers fail to appreciate or realize, is their success is dependent on many other clans not engineering. If everyone engineers their bases for war, there will no longer be a distinct advantage, and it will come down to teamwork, attack skill, and base design. That's why I'm against engineering. I don't think it's good for the longevity of clan wars and the game.

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That sums up my thoughts nicely. I've already given in to the temptation & have a low defense TH9 in the works. I won't feel sad if MM turns it into a liability in war.

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Originally Posted by topbtm

You seem very emotional about this topic and I don't think you fully understand what EB are facing. They generally don't provide or guarantee easy wins as you claim. May I suggest that you do it yourself, get your clan a win streak of say 20, or 10, and then report back back here. I think you will find out that it takes a bit of skill to achieve this...

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I'll agree that engineering clans need to have actual skills to make the most of the advantage. The October update helped reduce the advantage, but there are still ways to use engineering to give your clan an easier path to victory. The arrogant attitude doesn't win you any points in my book.

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Originally Posted by daddylindo

But why does everybody have to understand how the MM works? This is a game. It's not a job.

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Because understanding MM is part of the game. Understanding how your upgrade choices impact your value in clan wars should be advantageous. You always seem to have a post complaining about your latest mismatch, even when you go on to win the war. I have to guess you've seen some wars where your clan had an easier path to victory. You understand MM well enough not to take a TH9 or TH10 with max defenses & low level troops/heroes. Guys like cnaf, who put a lot of thought into analyzing their matchups are always going to have an edge. I don't see stupidly gemming a high offense base with no defenses as the huge war advantage it used to be.

I think there's still some work to be done on making sure one clan doesn't have too much advantage on the top end of the map, but I doubt MM will ever be perfect every time.

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Originally Posted by ChiefTuk

That sums up my thoughts nicely. I've already given in to the temptation & have a low defense TH9 in the works. I won't feel sad if MM turns it into a liability in war.


I'll agree that engineering clans need to have actual skills to make the most of the advantage. The October update helped reduce the advantage, but there are still ways to use engineering to give your clan an easier path to victory. The arrogant attitude doesn't win you any points in my book.


Because understanding MM is part of the game. Understanding how your upgrade choices impact your value in clan wars should be advantageous. You always seem to have a post complaining about your latest mismatch, even when you go on to win the war. I have to guess you've seen some wars where your clan had an easier path to victory. You understand MM well enough not to take a TH9 or TH10 with max defenses & low level troops/heroes. Guys like cnaf, who put a lot of thought into analyzing their matchups are always going to have an edge. I don't see stupidly gemming a high offense base with no defenses as the huge war advantage it used to be.

I think there's still some work to be done on making sure one clan doesn't have too much advantage on the top end of the map, but I doubt MM will ever be perfect every time.

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Lol lets c if he can back up his arrogance. Seems like he is all bark no bite tho. Sounds like a th9 who thinks hes good bc he can three n proceeds to talk about th11 armys n how op something is without ever using em n knowing firsthand. Shrug. Friendly war mr. I know all about wars since u made silly claim bout ur clan ws n thinking bc we cant match it, yall r better? Lol lets c n shut me up

Reading some of btms post, I agree he should challenge someone here to an FC. Kim or DL look like good candidates since they both ardently disagree with him.

I dont even know top th lv or his clan n ill still challenge this silly kid bc im that confident I will roll over his amazing clan with their amazing ws. Hehe

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Originally Posted by ChiefTuk

Because understanding MM is part of the game. Understanding how your upgrade choices impact your value in clan wars should be advantageous. You always seem to have a post complaining about your latest mismatch, even when you go on to win the war. I have to guess you've seen some wars where your clan had an easier path to victory. You understand MM well enough not to take a TH9 or TH10 with max defenses & low level troops/heroes. Guys like cnaf, who put a lot of thought into analyzing their matchups are always going to have an edge. I don't see stupidly gemming a high offense base with no defenses as the huge war advantage it used to be.

I think there's still some work to be done on making sure one clan doesn't have too much advantage on the top end of the map, but I doubt MM will ever be perfect every time.

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I think that this sums things up nicely. The devs want us to be strategic with our upgrades, but not so strategic that it screws with others' enjoyment of war and, potentially, causes issues with the longevity of the game itself.

FYI, the only reason that this is such a huge topic is b/c the devs have done a fantastic job of marginalizing burners. Sure there are still some out there here and there, but mostly they're gone. If they can fix that, or at least mostly fix it, then I feel confident that they'll be able to continue refining the war MM algorithm so that we will get more and more fair wars in the future.

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Originally Posted by ExclusiveInvicta

Reading some of btms post, I agree he should challenge someone here to an FC. Kim or DL look like good candidates since they both ardently disagree with him.

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The issue here is whether the engineer mismatch complaints are legitimate or not. I personally don't think so because i just know a bit more about the mm than daddylindo or kimchi, who both admitted of not knowing much or care about engineered bases nor the mm.

The issue was never about who has better attacking skill, until these guys come up and challenge me. I never claim of having better attacking skill, so challenging me will not prove anything.

Beside I don't think their clans are worthy to FC with my clan. We will arrange war with a worthy clan soon enough ..we will see.

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Originally Posted by ChiefTuk

That sums up my thoughts nicely. I've already given in to the temptation & have a low defense TH9 in the works. I won't feel sad if MM turns it into a liability in war.


I'll agree that engineering clans need to have actual skills to make the most of the advantage. The October update helped reduce the advantage, but there are still ways to use engineering to give your clan an easier path to victory. The arrogant attitude doesn't win you any points in my book.


Because understanding MM is part of the game. Understanding how your upgrade choices impact your value in clan wars should be advantageous. You always seem to have a post complaining about your latest mismatch, even when you go on to win the war. I have to guess you've seen some wars where your clan had an easier path to victory. You understand MM well enough not to take a TH9 or TH10 with max defenses & low level troops/heroes. Guys like cnaf, who put a lot of thought into analyzing their matchups are always going to have an edge. I don't see stupidly gemming a high offense base with no defenses as the huge war advantage it used to be.

I think there's still some work to be done on making sure one clan doesn't have too much advantage on the top end of the map, but I doubt MM will ever be perfect every time.

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I agree with you and thanks for the well mannered response. We do upgrade efficiently whereas we get the most important war troops first. Th9 we all got hogs, heal, healers and giants first while we upgraded our queens. We do our army camps and cc and barracks and drill of course, to make sure we can produce on offense in a reasonable amount of time. Catch the 4th ad up so we dont get brainlessly bulldozed by drags, etc. Thats the intelligent approach and I would advise it. Once we have that stuff in place, we purchase everything from the shop. It's these clanwide perma-9's and 10's that are really skewing the matchups. Sprinkled in with roster engineering with the junk on the bottom false th9's that are there simply to clean th8's with drags and /or weak th9's. The MM doesn't see whats happening there. I dont want to get scientific with the MM, it's not rocket science in a sense that you dont drop big ticket defenses, upgrade splash damage defenses, upgrade or have certain spells or troops that ya technically dont need for war, etc.. BUT, they need to have some sort of penalty or weight tax to offset that. A defenseless th10 that has 5 spells, 240 spots, level 2 bowlers and max healers with 10/10 heroes needs to be recognized as a powerful threat, and therefore pay a weight tax. This is obviously a second or third account solely to skew the MM and effortlessly clean th9's that regular th9's in that clan with 220/ 4 spells and no bowlers may/ probably not have. Tou do it over the whole clan with the perma 9.5'sand 10.5's etc, and they're gonna match against a clan that cant beat them. It's not right. I dont consider that strategy. I consider a well-thought out attack "strategy". Overpowering a half- town hall below you is not strategy. We are taking gameplay out of this game and it is hurting this game. Thats a fact.