Might make engineer acct to c if my opinions r true

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Originally Posted by Vikingchief

the problem is you cannot prove some of your claims with your actions. Lets assess the one of skill level of engineers. You may be the most skilled attacker in clash universe, and can defeat all engineers, but this has no baring on the skillz of engineers versus maxers in general. Its not logically relevant. The same goes for the bases you face or choose to face in war, its not a necessary or sufficient condition for your arguments to skill level, its simply not relevant. Its not that I doubt that you hit and kill easy bases, its that i'm saying the bases you hit can never support or refute claims regarding the general skill of engineers.

with regard to the effort put it, the only evidence that I have seen is when I came to visit without warning, and saw the 5000 troops in 1 week and 19 attacks per day. i dont doubt the number may have changed since then, but given your clear bias on the subject, and the fact that I brought up this evidence versus your claims before, their is no way for me or anyone to know if you have simply taking your foot off the gas. The only evidence that I can rely on, as you had no warning, was my first visit. i cant say for certain iether way, but given the chance to observe facts without warning, or with, i am more inclined to believe without. If you suprised test and athlete for banned substances, or you give them a specific date for a test in advance, which test would you believe. Be clear here i'm not calling you a liar, and trying to digest facts objectively.

with regard to the shields, I think here you do make a strong case, and your willingness to show you defence log takes my confidence you are reporting honestly from 50 - 70 % to 75 - 95%. i dont think you would risk lying, as you could be directly caught out on this. i think you have succesfully challenged people who thought loot accumulation would be dessimated by lack of shields. I do wonder how often you have an empty cc on defence, but iether way you have proved at the very least it is possible to get shields if you manage the account with a little bit of disipline.

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Understood n I c pt in some of ur claims. Im defo not a clash god although I may sound like one at times haha but I can hold my own. Lol I can make that number 100% if u want as I stated im willing to show u my whole def log. Lol no reason for me to lie. This is a game not a job or life n death situation lol. If u doubt how often i can play one specific acct u r more than welcome to stay in my clan n c for urself. Lol I got nothing to hide. Idc if u do surprise analysis or not lol. I'm very blunt n self criticial n not egotistical enough to admit a mistake. Like I said im willing to back up anything I say with action. Just tell me n if it fits my schedule sure im down to do it.

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Originally Posted by kimchilove

Understood n I c pt in some of ur claims. Im defo not a clash god although I may sound like one at times haha but I can hold my own. Lol I can make that number 100% if u want as I stated im willing to show u my whole def log. Lol no reason for me to lie. This is a game not a job or life n death situation lol. If u doubt how often i can play one specific acct u r more than welcome to stay in my clan n c for urself. Lol I got nothing to hide. Idc if u do surprise analysis or not lol. I'm very blunt n self criticial n not egotistical enough to admit a mistake. Like I said im willing to back up anything I say with action. Just tell me n if it fits my schedule sure im down to do it.

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If would have to be a controlled test, one balanced account on same level, doing the same number of raids per day, with the same troops, getting the same cc defence and attack troops, for at least 3 weeks, then assess the accumulation of elixir and dark elixir, shields versus non shields. i think it would make for a very interesting test. It would have to be a balanced base with similar offence.

that test could give some evidence to compare the difficulty level in building the 2 account types.

for the skill claim I cannot see any test we could set up to offer support iether way.

For the shields claim i'm now 93% sure your not only offerter your true perception, but further giving an accurate representation of that accounts reality. I'm still going to go forward with my test for my own interest.

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Originally Posted by Vikingchief

If would have to be a controlled test, one balanced account on same level, doing the same number of raids per day, with the same troops, getting the same cc defence and attack troops, for at least 3 weeks, then assess the accumulation of elixir and dark elixir, shields versus non shields. i think it would make for a very interesting test. It would have to be a balanced base with similar offence.

that test could give some evidence to compare the difficulty level in building the 2 account types.

for the skill claim I cannot see any test we could set up to offer support iether way.

For the shields claim i'm now 93% sure your not only offerter your true perception, but further giving an accurate representation of that accounts reality. I'm still going to go forward with my test for my own interest.

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Gl dude! Lol if u willing to jot down all that details knock urself out bc no way will I do it. Im lazy lol. I just clash. This game is an escape for me to make my work days bearable bc they r so long. I dont wanna put in that type of effort of jotting down details bc it defeats purpose of game for me. I don't need to do more work. I do enuff as is lol. Anyways, as I said before I got nothing to hide. Whatever info u need as long as it isnt a hindrance to my work life im ok with.

Agree to Viking, building defenseless Acct is not harder compared to normal base, if you invested time and/or money, and what u do is way above average clasher based on the number of attack u made, but for normal clasher, building defenseless base is quite challenging, just try to use a TH7-9 acct and get down to 700-900 thropy, u will see ton of unfinished dead defenseless bases every 2-3 next

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Originally Posted by kimchilove

Gl dude! Lol if u willing to jot down all that details knock urself out bc no way will I do it. Im lazy lol. I just clash. This game is an escape for me to make my work days bearable bc they r so long. I dont wanna put in that type of effort of jotting down details bc it defeats purpose of game for me. I don't need to do more work. I do enuff as is lol. Anyways, as I said before I got nothing to hide. Whatever info u need as long as it isnt a hindrance to my work life im ok with.

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I agree its a huge hassel, but its the only way be able to make claims regarding the ratio of effort to reward comparing the 2 account types. Without a control its hard to claim anything objectively.

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Originally Posted by samratulangi

Agree to Viking, building defenseless Acct is not harder compared to normal base, if you invested time and/or money, and what u do is way above average clasher based on the number of attack u made, but for normal clasher, building defenseless base is quite challenging, just try to use a TH7-9 acct and get down to 700-900 thropy, u will see ton of unfinished dead defenseless bases every 2-3 next

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My claim is a defencless is harder, I dont have anything to prove it besides my personal exprience running 10 accounts, ranging for periods from super .5 to defence rushed. i had a highly engineered for a short while but for me upgrades become impossible so I upgraded it to a semi super .5, soon to be a .5. I have just made a new point only account, where is will only uppgrade archer towers, air d, tesla and Wall, to see how it goes for a player like me, who does 4 to 6 hits a day.

For me and way the game is played requires nomore skill than any other style. Currently I'm messing around with a premier style, going for max defenses and barch troops only. My clan still works as a team an it still 3* and we still win. What I do know is this:
1. Coc is a strategy game. It needs a plan to be good at it.
2. There are many plans to this game some are faster than others. Each has strengths and weaknesses. A style of play is a strategy.
3. CW is about team work. Everyone has different skills
4. Those with the best skill should not always win cw. Might not have a good strategy.
5. Those with the best strategy should not always win cw. Might not have good skills.
6. Winning in cw requires both strategy and skill. A plan and talent.
This is not directed at anyone person. Just my thoughts on the conversation of the past few pages.

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Originally Posted by MrJackrabbit

For me and way the game is played requires nomore skill than any other style. Currently I'm messing around with a premier style, going for max defenses and barch troops only. My clan still works as a team an it still 3* and we still win. What I do know is this:
1. Coc is a strategy game. It needs a plan to be good at it.
2. There are many plans to this game some are faster than others. Each has strengths and weaknesses. A style of play is a strategy.
3. CW is about team work. Everyone has different skills
4. Those with the best skill should not always win cw. Might not have a good strategy.
5. Those with the best strategy should not always win cw. Might not have good skills.
6. Winning in cw requires both strategy and skill. A plan and talent.
This is not directed at anyone person. Just my thoughts on the conversation of the past few pages.

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Agree, Game plan + Time and/or money investment is the biggest differentiator in this game

BTW Jack, I also star building offenseless Acct with only Goblins upgrading, now is upgrading to TH8, maybe we can share some experience to build a best clan composition, lol

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Originally Posted by MrJackrabbit

For me and way the game is played requires nomore skill than any other style. Currently I'm messing around with a premier style, going for max defenses and barch troops only. My clan still works as a team an it still 3* and we still win. What I do know is this:
1. Coc is a strategy game. It needs a plan to be good at it.
2. There are many plans to this game some are faster than others. Each has strengths and weaknesses. A style of play is a strategy.
3. CW is about team work. Everyone has different skills
4. Those with the best skill should not always win cw. Might not have a good strategy.
5. Those with the best strategy should not always win cw. Might not have good skills.
6. Winning in cw requires both strategy and skill. A plan and talent.
This is not directed at anyone person. Just my thoughts on the conversation of the past few pages.

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totally agree but no strategy should be so do dominant that wars are no longer competitive.

moment of panic when i'm typing, but the words are being written by an anti engineer. Help!

i guess its side effect of drawing a war with 2 defencless th11 with 20 20 10 heroes on the bases 4 from bottom and second from bottom on the map. Objectively I can have no objection as I run a lot of .5 bases, but man did I try find some subjective moral high ground, just could not get any firm footing to get up there.

Wow thought I was dedicated,clasher but yall take it to next step. Bravo. In regards to how,active I am, I know im more active than typical clasher. Explains y I was able to max few accts. With that said, I never had attacks in a season go over 400+. That's most I ever had. I usually avg 300+ tho if acct needs farming. Defo more than avg clasher but I don't think thats ridiculously high number. I can afford to attack that much bc I mainly clash at work. Thats like 10 raids a day which easily can b done in 13 hr work days.