I'm guessing SC has no interest in fair matches? making to much $ off engineered ?

This Extreme Engineering argument continues to boil on the forums but can be easily summed up thus:

Pro-engineering--Don't play the game for the unique attacking strategies and building defensive conundrums, but simply to WIN by extremely outmatching opponents (by manipulating the games mechanics) offensively and set up huge offensive advantages.

Anti-engineering--Naïvely or not built account up and war in the "usual" fashion. Normal defenses and offense. Enjoys attack skills and developing them but tired of watching his/her mirror or near-mirror (offensive TH level 1-2 levels above his/hers) roll over his/her base in war in 58 seconds and seeing opponents with 3-5 extra high TH level attacks left after they have rolled up a perfect score against him or her.

Everything else said about this pure lobbying and rationalization.

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Originally Posted by LittleMoon

The engineers created the superior war composition and they won. Blindly maxing doesnt work anymore. This is the new meta.

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Engineering isnt a "meta" its a style of upgrading, and it wont affect higher lvl clans it relies on rushed and newer clashers or clans with a wide spread of town halls in war search.

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Originally Posted by ayih

So 1 in every 6 games it's unfair? That means you get fair (or in your favor) matches almost 85% of the time. You're complaining because you get an unfair match 14.28% of the time?

The forums shouldn't be used to vent your frustrations because your clan wasn't up to the task in a single war. Adapting > complaining

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spoken like a true lopsided base owner.

Yup OP, it's your fault that you weren't up to the task. Sarcasm intended.

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Originally Posted by ryryshouse

Don't agree. Weight tax is a simple solution. Every TH has a minimum def weight relative to the offense. Combine this with the previous top roster emphasis the problem is likely solved.

Other simple solutions are communications and statistics ( from supercell ) so you can avoid this via your roster.

SC has already set a precedent on "playing the game a certain way" .. TH Sniping for example.

While engineering can be viewed as both a legitimate base progression or a career focused on bullying.. does not matter. The fix is in the MM algorithm. As OP said, you can find fair wars with a little bit of elbow grease, and it is totally worth doing.

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adding a minimum th weight can not be the answer. we would have post similar to.... clan A has 1 max th 11 and 9 th3 matched against clan B who has 10 th 7's. yes clan B will have 2 of their bases smashed by the th 11 but clan A will have 9 of their bases smashed my the th 7's. yes if the overall clan weights were the same ev en with a weight added to the TH you could get matchups like this. roster engineering would be far more beneficial as you can have 2 max th 11 at top 2 th 10 1 th 9 then 5 th 3's. it would be possible to match a clan that would be all th 9 thus having no shot at winning. as you say SIMPLE SOULUTIONS are never as simple as you seem to think they are. and please don't say no clan would do this as look at how far to the extreme some clans have engineered their rosters or bases to get the wins. it would be done and would not take long for it to be just as bad as it is now, if not worse

I don't care about engineering as long as it doesn't give unfair advantage over opponent as i does now.

War should be about attacking skills, not how well you can bend rules.

Engineering is now like playing ice hockey without goalkeeper but same time having players while opponent have only goalkeeper. Sounds fair?

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Originally Posted by mschwol

Man, I've yet to hear a valid argument from engineers about why nothing needs to change. I cant be the only one, right? Am I crazy?

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Biggest problem you have with that is defining engineering. Is maxing your th10 or th11 defense with weak heroes and weak troops so that you're very hard to 3 star engineering?

Is opting in one defenseless base engineering? If not, what's the line?

How about having multiple 10.5's? Is that engineering?

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Originally Posted by DavidPumpkins

Engineered always talks about their right to play the game anyway they want within the rules but refuse to give maxers the same respect. The only resonable solution that i can see, if both game plays are going to be allowed to continue, is two separate war leagues. Every base in a clan would have to carry a minimum war weight at each Town Hall level to qualify to be added into war lineup in Maxer group. Any clan not willing to meet this standard could compete in the engineered war group. Everyone could choose for themselves how they want to play the game and wars could return to their former glory. Of course, this would hurt the unfair advantage that engineered clans have come to enjoy and I would suspect many would return to playing the maxing game JMHO.

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How are engineers stopping anyone else from playing the game as they want? You play the game how you want, within the rules. If you choose to play it in a fashion that makes you particularly successful, good for you. If you choose to play it in a fashion that makes you lose all the time, that's your choice (or perhaps lack of understanding).

"Doctor, it hurts when I do this!"
"Well, then don't do that!"

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Originally Posted by whp4

How are engineers stopping anyone else from playing the game as they want? You play the game how you want, within the rules. If you choose to play it in a fashion that makes you particularly successful, good for you. If you choose to play it in a fashion that makes you lose all the time, that's your choice (or perhaps lack of understanding).

"Doctor, it hurts when I do this!"
"Well, then don't do that!"

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What that user meant was "SC I want to play the game in a way i see fit and correct and In a style I win. This means max defenses to make multiplayer easy but also make war better for us maxers. If we the maxers win in multiplayer and war then I'm happy and the game is fair, balanced and according to rule".

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Originally Posted by LittleMoon

What that user meant was "SC I want to play the game in a way i see fit and correct and In a style I win. This means max defenses to make multiplayer easy but also make war better for us maxers. If we the maxers win in multiplayer and war then I'm happy and the game is fair, balanced and according to rule".

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So wanting an even matchup is bad according to you? I would be willing to bet engineers will all max asap if they stop drawing casual clans.

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Originally Posted by mschwol

Man, I've yet to hear a valid argument from engineers about why nothing needs to change. I cant be the only one, right? Am I crazy?

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Funny I can say the same thing about the anti engineers.