I got stuck with an inferno lol

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Originally Posted by WH7DX

I disagree. They didnt just make up random numbers and stick em in the code.

that might not be all accurate but we know the bomb tower probably is and Id guess the freeze spell is also huge and it gives us an idea of what we might want to upgrade.

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But they really don't give a valid idea of what to upgrade. There is no obvious connection between the actual war weights and those spAnser numbers. For the Oct-Dec version I had a list of item weights that could predict the bases I could find - I was struggling to find a counter example. But I just can't see any connection between those numbers and the spAnser numbers. Not even trying some ideas for a second layer of conversion between those numbers and item weights (before the final conversion of total weight to gold in stores)

To take another specific example, spAnser has the max inferno at 10100, and max eagle at 9950. But if you make a decision on building the eagle based on the assumption it counts less than an inferno you are going very wrong - in reality it's more like the weight of 3 infernos.

We had an enemy base last war with 2 infernos (lvl 2 IIRC), 1 lvl 1 xbow and the mandatory cannon. And it seemed like about TH7 or TH8 traps. And low heroes. Add that lot up using spAnser and it'll be under 20k defence weight I reckon. So a TH5 rated base that would confound any enemy TH5? Maybe our enemy believed the spAnser numbers. I hope he didn't spend any real money gemming it. Because it was actually 67k - strong TH9 territory. And it was tripled first try by a mid TH8. Oops.

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Originally Posted by OnyxDS

We had an enemy base last war with 2 infernos (lvl 2 IIRC), 1 lvl 1 xbow and the mandatory cannon. And it seemed like about TH7 or TH8 traps. And low heroes. Add that lot up using spAnser and it'll be under 20k defence weight I reckon. So a TH5 rated base that would confound any enemy TH5? Maybe our enemy believed the spAnser numbers. I hope he didn't spend any real money gemming it. Because it was actually 67k - strong TH9 territory. And it was tripled first try by a mid TH8. Oops.

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LOL, good stuff. Would have liked to have seen that :)

And it hammers home the point that weights are non-linear, which you stated in response #4, therefore ANY table or spreadsheet giving discrete weight values to specific items is, by definition, incorrect.

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Originally Posted by OnyxDS

But they really don't give a valid idea of what to upgrade. There is no obvious connection between the actual war weights and those spAnser numbers. For the Oct-Dec version I had a list of item weights that could predict the bases I could find - I was struggling to find a counter example. But I just can't see any connection between those numbers and the spAnser numbers. Not even trying some ideas for a second layer of conversion between those numbers and item weights (before the final conversion of total weight to gold in stores)

To take another specific example, spAnser has the max inferno at 10100, and max eagle at 9950. But if you make a decision on building the eagle based on the assumption it counts less than an inferno you are going very wrong - in reality it's more like the weight of 3 infernos.

We had an enemy base last war with 2 infernos (lvl 2 IIRC), 1 lvl 1 xbow and the mandatory cannon. And it seemed like about TH7 or TH8 traps. And low heroes. Add that lot up using spAnser and it'll be under 20k defence weight I reckon. So a TH5 rated base that would confound any enemy TH5? Maybe our enemy believed the spAnser numbers. I hope he didn't spend any real money gemming it. Because it was actually 67k - strong TH9 territory. And it was tripled first try by a mid TH8. Oops.

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i hear you. Im not looking at being able to get an accurate total weight. Just an idea of what COC wants to rate higher than others.

The bomb tower is a good example. Its clearly a big weight.. around the xbow weight Id guess. One extra Bomb Tower put one of our 9.5s ahead of another that had 25 more hero levels. 2 15s versus a 30 and a 25 lv.

I think the War match also adjust the matching trying to get eagle to match so they look at things outside of weight. I think they look at total clan weight first then see if they can make a somewhat fair internal match happen.

For me the weight data is a good start to what a 9.5 might want to upgrade.

new 9.5s STAY AWAY from the bomb tower and the FREEZE SPELL. We know about the Inferno obviously.

Wait, your Alt joined the clan you were warring against, or joined the clan that had last faced your current opponent in war?

I ask because its hard to tell from your response. Either way, does it bother you that you have to stoop to such measures to win? Are you afraid that you will lose a fair matchup?

Our clan all know each other, and we only bring in people we know directly, so letting moles in during war is not a concern for us. I'm not sure what we can do about someone in the clan we just faced letting our current opponent in, other than never show the war log.

I have two accounts. One wasnt in war and our opponent was foolish enough to show us their war log. I changed my language to French and visited their 2nd to last opponent. Their last opponent was Iran and closed.

I was able to take pictures of the bases but booted before I could get replay / trap photos.

This is war. We have solid bases and attack very well. If your dumb enough to let us spy we will. Just about ever war fought was won with the help of intelligence/spying and we view it the same. They showed us their war log to try and intimidate us 304-50 with mostly green in their war logs with 95% destruction.

After we hammered em 44-40 I posted in description not to show the log. Almost saw their bases.

war prep starts its on! Lol

If the clan you are warring against is dumb enough to let you in, that is one thing. Getting access via a former opponent is shady, imo, as that clan has nothing to do with you. They may not be in war, and are legitimately recruiting new members.

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Originally Posted by OnyxDS

Presumably the recommended target at start of war when nothing has been attacked is the one with the defence score closest to your offence.

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Ding, ding, ding.

That recommended target at the start of a war... is very important. Keep in mind the bases above and below it are relevant for accurate measures, and bases at the top or bottom of a war map are the most difficult to track.

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Originally Posted by GulMaset

If the clan you are warring against is dumb enough to let you in, that is one thing. Getting access via a former opponent is shady, imo, as that clan has nothing to do with you. They may not be in war, and are legitimately recruiting new members.

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yep we all have our own opinions. Im not asking for troops or leaving a war they started. Im just in and out when done. Its rare that it happenens and it did this last time because 1) they had a good record and were being arrogant 2) they gave us the chance lol

Our war starts in 15m so Ill check it out. From memory ive seen some crazy stuff. And it was at the start. Well see

In current war that just started im number 3 and it says to hit 2 which has max infernos and max xbow with max mortars and almost max archers.

I could hit that as I am a 9.8 with 62 lv heroes and lv3 freeze, lv 2 bowlers, max valk etc

however.... our number 4 guy below me who is a rushed 9.5 with heroes 15/15 and working on finishing lv 9 walls... who has max th 9 defense... but got the SECOND BOMB TOWER that put him above 2 other 9.5 with much better heroes and walls.... ALSO HAS 2 as his target. My guy has lv 1 freeze, lv 1 lava, lv 1 witch, lv 2 bowlers, lv 6 hogs and max valks... he might get 2 but with such a weak freeze it questionable.