New year 2017... The bitter truth about engineering. part2

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Originally Posted by Azrial

Viking I miss your old "who should have an advantage and why" thread...

In that thread common ground was achieved between people who support engineering and those opposed to it. This thread and most engineering/MM is just another typical thread with the same old arguments.

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i got busy with work for 2 days and didnt want to necro it. Did enjoy it for attitude of all those who participated in it, at least most

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Originally Posted by posthoc

I think--with only anecdotal evidence, ironically, given my last post--that if you're going to drop xbows you should max them as fast as possible. xbow1 is a peashooter that cannot even inconvenience a queen walk, in terms of drawing an early special or a rescue rage; if xbow3 is barely heavier then it should be a priority upgrade.

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That's what I do, max one xbow then drop 2nd one.

Bring a full th8, or th9, or th10 to my clan and you'll get to see some really, really even matches. Our current war, in particular, is just ridiculously even on paper. You must be proficient with valks to war, but if you just want to check out the war lineups and view war attacks then it won't matter. Just pm if you want.[/QUOTE]

You guys arent using loons???

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Originally Posted by daddylindo

I dont know how the numbers work. My clan is NOT cheating. We max (except everyone in th9 cuz fully maxing is difficult hero-wise without potentially burning out) because it makes the transition for the next town hall easier. Before you go to th10, if you dont max out your walls, it becomes difficult to finish them because of the loot penalty AND how expensive everything else is, so it makes sense to max your walls while the loot is easier. But when we go to the next town hall, we eventually purchase EVERYTHING from the shop. That's how the game was designed. And we farm and we upgrade it so we can be the best we can be, ya know, like in the army. I sat out for a month when i became th10. I could spent a couple hundred dollars to gem and get in the action right away, but I didnt. I did my camps, spells, lab, got a couple troops, and then got my fernos to level 2 when I came back. I did it with good intention. I didnt intentionally not purchase things, require all my clanmates to do the same (which by the way, seems a lil self-centered to me). We did this so we can compete AND defend ourselves at the sametime. We werent looking for mismatches, just wanted fair wars. Amd we didnt wanna clean all th9's for easy victory either. I cant say the same for these other clans, especially when you go to the recruitment section of this forum...... OH-BOY

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Look at it this way: if somebody has a .5 and has decent attacking skills then he can always drop down xbows or infernos. However, if somebody is a poor attacker and has xbow or inferno, then he's a serious liability in war and won't last long in a decent war clan. You know that I have as strong of a "fair and balanced wars" mindset as anybody here, but that's just common sense, right?

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Originally Posted by daddylindo

I miss the days of town hall 10's defending against th10's, th9's defending against th9's, and real th8's defending real th8's... those almost dont exist anymore. Everything is a cleanfest. All i see are 9.5's and 10.5's cleaning 10's and 9's. Theres no "hand to hand" combat anymore. Nobody has to "pull their weight" in a clan anymore. I dont like the style of play thats being created now. All the engineering and .5's is rampant with nobody having any intent to maxing out. Only a couple max out in the clan to protect against a perfect war, the rest of the roster is engineered. It's ripping the base design right out of these th9's. Forget th8, th8 is DEAD. Th9 is next. All the engineering is snowballing to making other people engineer that dont even really want to. WHO DOESN'T WANT AN EAGLE OR INFERNOS PROTECTING THEIR BASE?? So it's creating this whole dimension that doesnt need to exist. The only logical explanation for it, is it created a matchup advantage in war. The other explanation is people are afraid to compete at the highest level. I dont get it. I never will.

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I see way more hand-to-hand combat than I ever see dips and this is from an engineered clan owner lol.

Youre kinda right about th8 being dead. Its not because of engineered th9s though... th8 is just very easy to triple even as a th8. Th9 will soon be the new th8 with offensive buffs.

Hopefully th10s will become like th9s...

FYI you have seen my engineered clan i run. Id like to point out that we are super casual and friends/family and many members are young (younger than 15). Some cant attack well so engineering offsets the dramatic disadvantage we have without it.

Helps keep the guys playing and not be discouraged by losing so me and a few other guys anchor them and positioned our lineup to give us fairer wars.

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Originally Posted by daddylindo

Bring a full th8, or th9, or th10 to my clan and you'll get to see some really, really even matches. Our current war, in particular, is just ridiculously even on paper. You must be proficient with valks to war, but if you just want to check out the war lineups and view war attacks then it won't matter. Just pm if you want.

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You guys arent using loons???[/QUOTE]

We have 7 in a row without a single loon attack, at least not any true "loons" attacks, and our current war is a worst a coin flip. In one of our wars our th11 used lavaloon, but he also used some valks. We require 5 valks in every single war attack, people who break that rule get put on probation or kicked depending on the situation.

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Originally Posted by MossackFonseca

You guys arent using loons???

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We have 7 in a row without a single loon attack, at least not any true "loons" attacks, and our current war is a worst a coin flip. In one of our wars our th11 used lavaloon, but he also used some valks. We require 5 valks in every single war attack, people who break that rule get put on probation or kicked depending on the situation.[/QUOTE]

Whats ur clan ill stop by real quick. Got 20 min to chill

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Originally Posted by daddylindo

We have 7 in a row without a single loon attack, at least not any true "loons" attacks, and our current war is a worst a coin flip. In one of our wars our th11 used lavaloon, but he also used some valks. We require 5 valks in every single war attack, people who break that rule get put on probation or kicked depending on the situation.

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Whats ur clan ill stop by real quick. Got 20 min to chill[/QUOTE]

Whoops, thought that I already linked Nio's writeup on Valks, here it is:

https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...e-Handbook-2-0

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Originally Posted by MossackFonseca

Whats ur clan ill stop by real quick. Got 20 min to chill

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Whoops, thought that I already linked Nio's writeup on Valks, here it is:

https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...e-Handbook-2-0[/QUOTE]

Valks all the time? Weird rule haha. I roll with stoned GoHoBo most of the time.

Also update on eng. clan... our 1 tripled their 1 (the 10.5 with 40/41/20) heroes.

Should be a perfect war and the enemy's first red line

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Originally Posted by SupremeCleave

Valks all the time? Weird rule haha. I roll with stoned GoHoBo most of the time.

Also update on eng. clan... our 1 tripled their 1 (the 10.5 with 40/41/20) heroes.

Should be a perfect war and the enemy's first red line

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something is strange with the quote references system, hopefully it is now fixed.