New year 2017... The bitter truth about engineering. part2

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Originally Posted by WH7DX

it can be confusing. What I was saying is my th 9.5 doest get 3 starred all the time by 10s. Its a tricky base. 9s dont hit it unless they hafto.

My th 10 rarely gets three starred.

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Yeah those were the good ole days. When a tough th10 can just be tough, and sometimes yield a 1 star and put your clan in good position for the war. Now, we can just engineer a weak th10.5 to mop you up, without a sweat. Seems so lame to me. And when that opposing th10 put a great attack on you and almost 3 starred you.. or did 3 star you, ya gotta tip your hat. Was a great well-deserved attack. Heck, you may have even learned something from that guy and started practicing that attack for your own arcenal. THAT, was what made this game great. Now, the millenials took over the game and made it a cleanfest cuz everyone should get a trophy. SMH

We use 3-4 low TH to help fix that problem. We dont get too many bad matchups anymore. Before we did that it seemed like most of them were lopsided.

we just finished a good war and both congratulated each other after. We had the advantage as we put a th 7,6,5 and 3 at the bottom. Our tops were stronger and heroes were stronger and they used valks and a few loons verses our hogs and a couple bowlers. Ended up at 43-40 and 96%-92 or something like that in a 15 versus 15.

Th y mentioned that our mid and upper 9s gave them a hard time and they had to dip leaving tbeir top hits thins. Then they had to face our maxed th 11 with a mean base that is hard to just get 1 star let alone the rare 2. They got 0 at like 44% as they were forced to hit it to have any chance at the end.

we both commented how exhausting the war was. So much thinking. Their 8 win streak ended.

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Originally Posted by daddylindo

Now there's the engineers. These are the people who think they're smarter than everyone else (cuz they seem to think that way). They take all these bogus tax deductions that are not "against the law" (TOS). They make cash deals and dont claim the income.

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Bogus analogy. Cash deals, avoiding reporting income, taking bogus deductions, those are all against the law. They are the equivalent of modding, not engineering. Don't think so? Ask SC if an engineered clan is playing within the rules, and they say yes. A modder that they catch gets a ban. Ask the IRS if it is okay to take bogus deductions or not report your cash income and they will say no. Someone who does it and gets caught will be looking at civil and possibly criminal penalties.

How do you feel about honest, law-abiding Americans who choose to arrange their affairs so they legally have little or no tax obligation?

"Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as
possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the
treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes.
Over and over again the Courts have said that there is nothing sinister
in so arranging affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everyone
does it, rich and poor alike and all do right, for nobody owes any
public duty to pay more than the law demands."

Judge Learned Hand, writing in Gregory v. Helvering

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Originally Posted by daddylindo

Yeah those were the good ole days. When a tough th10 can just be tough, and sometimes yield a 1 star and put your clan in good position for the war. Now, we can just engineer a weak th10.5 to mop you up, without a sweat. Seems so lame to me. And when that opposing th10 put a great attack on you and almost 3 starred you.. or did 3 star you, ya gotta tip your hat. Was a great well-deserved attack. Heck, you may have even learned something from that guy and started practicing that attack for your own arcenal. THAT, was what made this game great. Now, the millenials took over the game and made it a cleanfest cuz everyone should get a trophy. SMH

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Yes i remember the gold ol th10 days where modders scoured the realm and triples were almost exclusively for modders. Im sure you love those days

Can you imagine the surpise from that ban! We were all complaining and SC did nothing... asked for proof... we explained... nothing.... were working on something etc etc etc.... then BAMM.. 1 week suspension followed by permanent. They went inside the devices looking lol

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Originally Posted by whp4

Bogus analogy. Cash deals, avoiding reporting income, taking bogus deductions, those are all against the law. They are the equivalent of modding, not engineering. Don't think so? Ask SC if an engineered clan is playing within the rules, and they say yes. A modder that they catch gets a ban. Ask the IRS if it is okay to take bogus deductions or not report your cash income and they will say no. Someone who does it and gets caught will be looking at civil and possibly criminal penalties.

How do you feel about honest, law-abiding Americans who choose to arrange their affairs so they legally have little or no tax obligation?

"Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as
possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the
treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes.
Over and over again the Courts have said that there is nothing sinister
in so arranging affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everyone
does it, rich and poor alike and all do right, for nobody owes any
public duty to pay more than the law demands."

Judge Learned Hand, writing in Gregory v. Helvering

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Fair enough whp, fair enough. I wont respond to that portion as you laid low for me for your definitive response. Engineering is CHEAP. Prioritizing offense over defense is smart and the way to go. When you enter a new TH, there is a big learning curve, so you want to make sure you have the troops and the experience to back yourself up, I GET IT. But dont stand there and tell me that warring day in and day out with 30 other accounts who have 20 wardens and no eagles, 40/40 bk and aq and no infernos, with no intent whatsoever to drop them, doesn't create an unfair advantage to an opposing clan. As the matchmaker looks at this line up and see many town halls with 20 wardens, but no eagle, what does that make him? Maybe he's a town hall 11, but maybe hes a th10... IDK. Lets continue down the lineup and see what it brings, hmmmm another 20 warden, but no eagle, what does that make him? And then 40/37 heroes but no infernos, what does that make him? Hmmm, I dont know. Theyre not th11's, but theyre also not th10's. When you have 30 accounts like this, and then junk at the bottom to really lower the weight to the point where the mm considered potential th11's to now weight at th10 (which lets face it, throughout all the smoke n mirrors that all the mm knowitalls on these forums create, things like these compound). And the FINAL PRODUCT, IS A SKEWED WAR. So now, clans are being put into wars that they should've never been put into. THAT'S THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH ENGINEERING. And whether its the case or not, which I think it IS the case, is that engineers are afraid of attacking defenses that were made to handle their troops.

So, how about you come clean with your clan name, so we can see what youre all about. We all know who I am by now. I dont hide behind my keyboard.

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Originally Posted by SinOfDusk

War do people enjoy the process of having fun in war? Does attacking and defending give you so much fun? To me it does not, to me fun is winning before the opponent is found. The best players aren't those that perform the best, the best players (in any game) are those who prepare the best

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Most people who war do it out of "love of the game" rather than "love of the spreadsheet". Tactical upgrading of your base to optimise for war is not bad in and of itself, but it should not be more important in a game like coc than things like, um, I dunno, building a great base for defense and having quality attacking skills. But don't take my word for that, SC is on record stating that lopsided bases are not playing the game as intended and they plan to continue combating it.

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Originally Posted by whp4

Bogus analogy. Cash deals, avoiding reporting income, taking bogus deductions, those are all against the law. They are the equivalent of modding, not engineering. Don't think so? Ask SC if an engineered clan is playing within the rules, and they say yes. A modder that they catch gets a ban. Ask the IRS if it is okay to take bogus deductions or not report your cash income and they will say no. Someone who does it and gets caught will be looking at civil and possibly criminal penalties.

How do you feel about honest, law-abiding Americans who choose to arrange their affairs so they legally have little or no tax obligation?

"Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as
possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the
treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes.
Over and over again the Courts have said that there is nothing sinister
in so arranging affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everyone
does it, rich and poor alike and all do right, for nobody owes any
public duty to pay more than the law demands."

Judge Learned Hand, writing in Gregory v. Helvering

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I totally agree with your first paragraph. However, if you're going to start quoting case law in a comparison like this, then it's probably important that you quote SC as going on record to state that using extremely lopsided clan rosters to rig a war to your enormous advantage is not their vision of how the game should be played, though it is not illegal. That would perhaps be more like your judge asserting that people should try to pay as much tax as possible, or even the constitution stating this, but without providing any penalties for failure to do so and only providing penalties for actually prohibited acts like the ones you listed above.

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Originally Posted by SupremeCleave

Yes i remember the gold ol th10 days where modders scoured the realm and triples were almost exclusively for modders. Im sure you love those days

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Nope. I can count on 1 finger how many times I was 3 starred as a good th10 by another th10. I dont care what MOD you had. The defenses were too strong for an overwhelming majority. Its ok Supreme. You dont have to keep trollling me. Idk what your mission is, my mission is to protect the integrity of the game. So careful how you keep trolling me, cuz I know your account name (which you begged me to keep confidential). I'll keep it confidential, but dont keep kicking a dog, cuz eventually it bites back.

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Originally Posted by daddylindo

Nope. I can count on 1 finger how many times I was 3 starred as a good th10 by another th10. I dont care what MOD you had. The defenses were too strong for an overwhelming majority. Its ok Supreme. You dont have to keep trollling me. Idk what your mission is, my mission is to protect the integrity of the game. So careful how you keep trolling me, cuz I know your account name (which you begged me to keep confidential). I'll keep it confidential, but dont keep kicking a dog, cuz eventually it bites back.

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Dont throw this back at me lol. Your post exactly suggested that. I mean what else could you be saying when you missed the "good ol" days of th10".

To me it sounded exactly like you missed the days of th10 defensive imbalance. Perhaps you could rephrase it better?

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Originally Posted by daddylindo

Viking, whatever ratio allows my clan to not go against an extra MAX TH11 and two extra th10's to get to victory. Thats what i want my clans ratio to be. Can you figure that formula out for me?

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your tapdancing, if you cant answer the 4 questions you cant point a finger with credibility. Please answer the 4 questions. A maxer clan with all maxed bases lets say has a ratio of 1, and a clan with all .5 has a ratio of 0.75, and a clan with offence 2 th above defence has a ratio of lets say for simplicity 0.5.

at what ratio does the clan become cheats? 0.9; 0.85, 0.75; 0.65 ????

and what level is your clan at?

and most important, why is ratio X cheating, and why is your ratio not cheating? After all a clan with a ratio of 1.15 could say your cheating, surely?