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Just made it to th10 and I'm wanting to start with a th9.5. I know that if I dropped the infernos or the 3rd xbow, that my war weight would skyrocket. Wondering if there are any players out there who didn't add new defensive buildings but upgraded both xbows to level4. Did your war weight increase significantly and if so by how much?
Thanks in advance.
They will add very little weight...600 to be exact. That is less than 1k. It is worth it imo.
Weight is the biggest when u drop a new building and upgrading. Lets say that u drop the new archer tower, your weight will increase by 1k. That is more than 2 upgraded bows from lvl3 to lvl4.
I am doing 9.5 and i am only maxing traps, teslas and ads before i drop infernos. Infernos gives the most damage for their weight. You need high heroes and troops to do so thought.
Thanks for reply. Assuming that you haven't done it. Where did you get your numbers from? I would be interested in reading more about this before I commit. Was hoping that the 2 xbow4 will help me through the initial build while I work on my offense. Surprised that all the literature I've read doesn't mention the xbow4 upgrade. Currently at 67000 and hoping to stay as low as I can to still help my clan with wars (and not draw a th10 in match ups).
I'm in the same boat as you. I'm not dropping a single defense until heroes are 35/35, and I have at least 100 level 11 walls. Hope to discuss this issue with ya in the future. Good luck.
Guess I'm hoping to hear from people that have done the 9.5 with upgraded xbow4s. Curious whether they started facing more th10s after that upgraded.
PS. BK 30. AQ 29
I think it depends where you are in your clans pecking order:
- As the top base in our clan I definitely started seeing more TH10's when I upgraded my Xbows, but then again I was seeing TH10's as a maxed TH9 about one times out of five.
- When the next member of my clan (our #2) upgraded to TH10 he upgraded all his Xbows to max including the new one and still matches against TH9s in war (I get the top two bases, which are TH10's, he takes 3 and 4 which are virtually always TH9's). When I'm not in war he does get weak TH10's though.
I would upgrade existing point defenses before xbow if you want to keep war weight low. I am a 9.5 with air d, teslas, sweepers, canons, arch towers, and heroes all upgraded to max th10. I haven't dropped any of the th10 structures except traps, collectors, and drill, and didn't drop the 25 extra wall pieces nor do I have either bomb tower. My weight via FC is 71k. Depending on our war roster I will draw th10s a lot of the time now. It's not usually a max th10 defenses though and a lot of times infernos are not lvl3. I find with all the offensive upgrades I have I can handle their base just fine, and depending how skilled of an attacker they are my base holds to 2 stars a decent amount it seems.
I have a clan mate who has all of the same as me plus he has mortors, wiz, and xbows upgraded and he dropped the extra archer tower and canon plus the 25 new wall pieces he is at a 74k weight I believe. He more regularly draws th10 with lvl3 inferno but the base usually isn't max defenses yet but sometimes is.
I find that being a 9.5 isn't really matching us up with easier bases all that much, almost always they have inferno, but this does depend on our war roster and how many max th10s or th11s are above me. I also think it greatly depends on your heroes, because both of ours are 40/40 which makes a stronger case for facing infernos. But I am confident in my offensive skills and my defensive base has held up very well without infernos to th10s that I haven't really been a hindrance to my clan. We are not really an engineered clan though, most of our bases are maxers and a few of us hardcore players do a little engineering.
Thanks for that info. Exactly what I needed to help with the decision making.Quote:
Originally Posted by STevil35
We currently have a lvl9 war clan with a 179-70-4 record (current 10 war win streak).
I am number 3 on the pecking order with a th11 and th10 (both a bit rushed but capable attackers).
We usually go to war with either one or both of them so I'm either 2nd or 3rd seed most times.
Trying to provide more of a balance so that I'm not an automatic 3 star by the th10 we face.
Sounds like upgrading the xbows might be the route I go since I am reluctant to drop infernos or upgrade bomb/wiz towers and mortars until I max out on offense.
Thanks for taking the time to post. I'm regularly able to 3 star maxed th9s (as a th9 since I have not upgraded spell factory or army camps yet), so I'm assuming that most th10s will be able to 3 star my base with extra 20 troop spaces and an extra spell. So far that seems to be the case if they are anyway competent (although their success usually comes at a cost... ie. de intensive armies). Trying to give my clan more of an advantage since if I can hold attackers to a 2 star, we almost always win our wars. Trying to carry this over to my journey as a 9.5.Quote:
Originally Posted by WookieFloyd
Guessing that 70k war weight is the cut off for matching up against th10s with infernos. Does anyone know for sure? From the info that I have gathered so far (thanks for all the PMs!), upgrading both xbows to lvl4 is the equivalent of upgrading all my point defenses to th10 (without adding any th10 defenses). Any opinions on which route would be tougher for a th10 to 3 star? Assuming that having 2 xbows to take out is easier than having to face a barrage of th10 point defenses... Any real life opinions?
Again, I have all my point defenses upgraded as a th9.5. So I have th10 max canons, arch tower, sweepers, air d, tesla, and I rarely get 3 starred by th10s. I think that base design is very important with this plus I have all traps maxed for th10 and my walls are upgraded pretty well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rustybee
DPS: canon 110, arch 98, tesla 99, xbow 100 for max th10 defenses. I would say that for sure upgrading point defenses is better then 2 xbows.
Interesting topic. I am at 69 now and got matched th10 with 80K weight. Beat them...
Gotcha. I guess that must be the reason why upgrades to the point defense are more common than just upgrading the 2 xbows. Will start down this path. Thanks again!Quote:
Originally Posted by WookieFloyd
PS. Is your base holding off mass bowlers and miners? Still trying to figure out base design against those attacks. Cheers!
So during the miner hayday I was using miners to upgrade both heroes at the same time and so I was not warring. Now since everyone just writes them off I have never had someone try miners on my war base, but I am not sure that it would be successful as my 9.5 base still packs a lot of point damage dps. I have been hit with different bowler variations but have been able to stall those attacks with my base. I kinda use a teaser base that a lot of people attack from the point I want them too and then their army just kinda splits in two and walks around. Honestly you will probably get 3 starred for a bit until you get your air d (since loons are big in the new meta) and a bunch of your canons, teslas, and archer upgraded. I have noticed my base holds much better now that I have maxed all of those things for th10. I think players underestimate it since it doesn't have inferno, a lot of people seem to come at it with valks but my high level walls and high dps point defenses tend to cause those attacks to stall out. I think it all depends on who you get matched with, sometimes they are good attackers and sometimes they aren't. The good ones will probably always 3 star your base as a th10 attacking you, but a good base design can still hold off average to bad attackers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rustybee
- Can I ask you if you ever think about making this anti 2 vs th9s?Quote:
Originally Posted by WookieFloyd
From my findings - its very hard for th9 to 3 star 9.5 base. However, my current design is anti-3 and I just wonder if maxing D would stand vs maxed th9s as of anti-2 redesigned base...
I have never once considered making an anti 2 star base because I don't think that they exist other then maybe at th11. I have never not been able to get 2 stars on a war base without just totally messing up the attack, in which case it was my attack that caused the 1 star not an anti 2 star base. I can say that now that I get matched up against th10s almost all of the time, as a th9.5, that I never have th9s hitting my base anymore. so making it anti 2 star vs th9s seems pointless. At this point with the new MM algorithm the way it is we would have to get a really skewed matchup in our favor for me to be getting hit by th9s.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxBusters
I want to say this that as a th9.5 with heroes 40/40, teslas, canon, archer, sweepers, and air d upgraded that I almost always pull a th10 with infernos in war, but it is usually never a maxed th10. I also have all war troops upgraded in the lab too. My offensive weight as a th10 is definitely higher then my defensive weight. The only advantage I seem to see with having a 9.5 in our war roster (b/c every war roster makes for different matches) is we tend to face clans that have a much higher defensive weight then offensive weight. So if I can hold the opponent to 2 stars on my base and then 3 star one of their th10s then we tend to win the war. I see a lot of bases with infernos but only one troop upgraded so our roster tends to have the offensive advantage over our opponent so then in is on us to use that advantage wisely to overcome our defensive deficit.
Love that you are analytical and have good first hand experience with what the journey I am about to undertake. Will send you a PM to see if I can visit to chat more.Quote:
Originally Posted by WookieFloyd
Agree with Wookie. Making an anti th9 2 star base is almost impossible against any half competent th9 attacker. Heck, a 15 giant 15 wiz 4 quake army supported by healers and heroes will comfortably get 2 stars on any th9 base if one knows what to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxBusters
I understand your situation and position. For sure not anti-2 when u hit th10s.
In my case my opponent is maxed or near maxed th9, so if I see he has low war stars, I always think about this - like what if...
If my D is maxed for th9,5 and he is not perfect, would it make sense to try anti-2 approach instead of a gift of 2stars.
Rustybee, I am new th9.5 so battling vs th9 or th9.5 is a big difference.
My idea described above.
Again - almost any th9 can 2 star my anti 3 base.
When I hit th10 or experienced maxed th9 no doubts I make it anti-3.
When I hit th9 with <400ws, would it be able to defeat my maxed th10 D except of 3rd xbow and infernos of course?
Your ability to match up against th9s as a th9.5 will not last long. I am not sure where your heroes are but if you have anything above 30/30 and as soon as you upgrade a few of your troops you will start matching against th10s pretty quickly. I don't know what your reading to get your info but it appears to be somewhat dated because going the .5 route has been minimized by the MM to some extent. Offense now factors into your war weight and this will reduce the effectiveness of the 9.5 route.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxBusters
When going the .5 route or any sort of engineered route you shouldn't be the one in your clan thinking about defense, because you chose the route that's all about offense. This is why you shouldn't have a .5 or engineered base at the top of your war roster, you always want to cover up your .5s with max weight bases. That's not to say you don't want to try to prevent 3 star attacks towards your base but if your going the 9.5 route and get matched up against 10s you have to expect there is a reasonable chance your opponent will 3 star your base.
You totally right. Unfortunately my weight climbed up to 70K from 69K with 3rd tesla upgraded.
However, as I carefully weight my base before and after each upgrade, I can confirm that 2 teslas maxed for th10 and 3gbombs + 2 new air bombs did not affect my weight at all. 3rd tesla moved me up.
New cw I still match TH9, which is good, however I understand this will not last for long time.
Plus th9 I match has 1469ws so there is no doubt he will be able to 2 star me...