Going on your description of bases should you not 3 star all bar the max th10 anyway and you should be able to get a 2 off him anyway? If they 3 star all of you then fair enough but you have a pretty good chance of winning from what you have said.
Take care of cc, combo of poison and AQ/wiz and you should be fine.
To anyone who think this is not cheating. I hav no issue's how u want to develop ur base do as u wish to but u should be facing the th lvl that u hav troops of like if u hav max th10 troops then why r u so scared of facing a real th10 so that u specifically do not build any defence to avoid facing th10 in war. Why prey on th9 or th8 in some cases .. why do u need extra spell slot troops of higher th to beat a low th lvl .. th9 can be 3 by another th9 then why do u need an advantage. If sc is doing anything to combat this i can wait till then give me a i loose button so that if i am facing anything like this i do not have yo waste 2 days
I have a clan 41 accounts.... I manage them all.. 15 of them are th7 with level 1 cannon only.
So far. I have been successful in doing war with them.
Yes to get ahead . you should do engineered accounts too. its the norm these days.
what usually happens was, I got matched to a th8 with my th9 account without xbows and it really easy to 3 star th8 with it.
I only have level 3 dragons on my th9 right now...
So I usually do 11 level 3 dragons and 4 lightning and 2 EQ the 2 air defenses. and start the dragon attack with the air sweeper facing the other way.
guaranteed 3 star on all max th8 4 of them (bec I take 2 th8.5 to war)
use max cc loons too if needed.
So in your clan wars you never drop down to clear bases which haven't been 3 starred? In your world that wouldn't be allowed? All engineered bases achieve is the possiblity to hit a bit higher, but sacrifice an easy 3 star. That's all there is to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by harshvijay
Going down to clear something and enngg. Is totally different thing sir .. if ur clan has a th10 in war then enemy should a hav a th10 in war too its u who choose not to build a certain defence why should the other clan pay the price for it . And all i see engineered clan doing is preying on a th lower then them in wars . If u put a defenceless th10 in war where ur #1 base is a th9 then why do u need th10 to clear
So you take 5 th7, 4 th6 , 3 th5 and 1 th4 for what? You do it because you want to lower your overall war weight and got matched against weaker opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by prosper12
The engineered clans , lopsided bases and so on are designed to match exactly that pattern and counter what YOU are trying to do.
This accurately sums it up OP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddiesalita
It's no use basing an argument on one dictionary definition of one word with breaking down every word used.
Nothing is unfair if the rules are not breached. In the case of lop-sided bases, their limits are controlled by SC's server side rule-set.
You will notice the definition you rely upon, makes no reference to equality and equity.
Waiting for an objective response to my post - I feel this is the most accurate depiction of what's happening. My clan level is 11 btw - we come across extreme cases maybe once every 5-6 wars. We win about 50/50 since we are pretty seasoned anyways.
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Originally Posted by FreeLootHere
Being looked at? I thought it was being looked at prior to the last update. The tweaks SC made to the MM were imho, the easy way out- and didn't address the biggest problem, or core issue that has the largest impact on war pairings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skrags
Because of that- you still have specific types of defenseless/engineered clans that are wrecking havoc in wars. In addition, that tweak has allowed roster engineering to flourish. And if that wasn't enough, it's made a mockery out of the top end matchups for many war pairings. Here is a quick and current example:
25v war
Top 5 total defense weights each side- 496k/547k
Top 5 total offense lvl numbers each side- 1964/1985
Top 5 total hero levels, each side- 477/500
Really? This appears as a valid and fair matchup, because of the weak, low weighted bases on the bottom of second clan. So what if Clan A has entry level TH9s at the bottom portion, as opposed to TH4s with Clan B. All of those bases are getting tripled. It's not balancing out the undeniable advantage at the top. Where... like everyone always agrees- is where the war is won.
So perfectly well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by cnaf
I posted a thread like this not too long ago where an engineered clan completely overpowered us and had th10 & 11 bases that ranked 30 and below in the war lineup that were any to take on our top 15 due to hero and troop levels. Not only that but up top we were completely overpowered.
In my opinion it's an issue that's causing serious frustration. It can easily be fixed if they are able to find a way to add more weight to the offensive troops & hero levels
Since the first sentence of your post is calling people childish, I think you'll be waiting a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeLootHere
OP your roster is going to match you to engineered clans constantly. In a perfect world that wouldn't be, but it is what it is. As the th spread you war with shortens (i.e., war with th7-9 instead of 4-9) and the average th of your clan gets higher, you will match with fewer and fewer engineered clans.
My guess is SC is leery of a sweeping overhaul of MM to correct problems largely seen at very low th levels. Since October I've seen little effective engineering, and zero roster engineering probably due to warring th8-th10, I'm generally happy with the matchmaking.
Quite frankly - there are a ton of childish posts in this thread. Not sure how that's even debatable. What isn't debatable is the fact everything I wrote about the actual issue (which you're ignoring) is correct.
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Originally Posted by TankSinatra
Of course it's debatable. In fact it's nonsense. You create some imaginary line in the sand and say it's unfair to cross that line. A few times I've asked people who are on here ranting about engineering when's the latest it's fair to drop infernos as a newish TH10 (because they invariably say that of course they upgrade offence first, because that's just being sensible). I've had answers (IIRC) ranging from:Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeLootHere
- within 2 weeks
- within 4 weeks
- within 3 months
- when all camps are done
- when camps and main war troops are done
- before upgrading the TH to 11
Each person is adamant that anyone stepping over their line is acting unfairly, and some outright call it cheating. But they all have a completely different idea of what is right, and are all certain everyone else but them is being unfair. There is only 1 universal here: "We upgrade sensibly. They engineer".
The reality is that rules are rules, and if someone isn't breaking them there's not much point complaining, because no-one can agree what the limit of fair is (except everyone believes that their idea of fair is, of course, shared by the silent majority). The rules/matching could be improved. However to an extent they were improved in October. If SC just get rid of the overall average check removing the roster engineering advantage of low bases, then it would be fine. There's been plenty of threads on here with somewhat lopsided players dropping xbows/infernos because it was too much of a disadvantage post update to be low on defence.
PS - and you comment that wanting to help your clan win is childish. In my experience a lot of players want to help their clan in however they can. That seems a good thing to me.
Nope, the war is won across the whole clan. My clan constantly (I mean around 50% of the time) got overmatched on both offense and defense at the top 2 or 3 bases, yet we managed to win due to the strength of our middle bases.Quote:
Originally Posted by cnaf
Wouldn't buying gems fall under this category?Quote:
Originally Posted by prosper12
It isn't cheating, but that doesn't mean SC shouldn't take steps to limit it if engineering is taking away enjoyment from the majority of players. There are a couple simple things they could do that would not impact .5s but would stop engineering, such as making the defensive weight of each hall equal to the max hall one hall level below. However, that would also hurt rushed bases.
I guess not since gems are a part of the game, then it's ok
Engineered accounts are a part of the game too.
The only way to beat an engineered clan is to out engineer them. Join the bandwagon or continue to lose.
No need to re-align weight value.....simple fix....
add weight value to the town hall.
Very well said. I totally agree. Almost everyone "engineers" based on where they personally or as a clan draw the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnyxDS
I am wondering if that sole th9 left out would help our war efforts. However, we have placed that th9 for the last 4 wars and we were fine, won 3 lost 1. This clan appears to be a one man gang of engineering. All the other bases are inactive, 0 donations. only 2 members in the clan have over 1000 donations, the rest are at 0. I can't leave out the smaller th lvls as they are driven to war and want to learn how to better their attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by TankSinatra
I can't think of a game I've ever played where there hasn't been someone who wanted to win much more desperately than I do. Not sure it was ever important to those people that I gave them any respect for winning, either. This does mean that I expect to lose now and then to a clan that has dedicated more effort to recruitment, building up their bases, learning how to attack better, etc. I'm a smart guy, and I have no trouble adjusting the way we do things so that being matched up with such a disadvantage rarely happens. Not like the methods are closely guarded secrets, available only to the chosen few.Quote:
Originally Posted by bouges
Foolish to think that any game involving millions of players all over the world isn't going to bring out plenty of hyper-competitive players.
As I suggested earlier, do every other war with the top or the bottom of the roster. Everyone still gets to war, and you'll get better matches because the TH spread will be less.Quote:
Originally Posted by prosper12
Put the babies in a feeder clan and war with a smaller spread; your engineering "problem" will diminish significantly...Quote:
Originally Posted by prosper12
My engineered clan just encountered the epitome of an engineered base.
A fully max th11 offense with only one cannon.
As well as a few max air th10/11 accounts sprinkled in.
But here's the kicker.
The war almost completely fair.
We have a maxxed th11 and a maxxed th10 at the top and a few 9.5s, they have 2 th11s without infernos and sub 20/20/10 heroes. I can triple them easily and they will 1-2 star me. Beyond that, they have some eng. th10/11 but only one account capable of taking down my max 11 ; their defenseless th11.
The only way they can win is if I mess up hugely, or if they get a perfect tie.
But heres the thing...
Without that max offese th11 the war would be almost completely one-sided in our favor.
They also have a good log.
You said my post was debatable - but you literally just rephrased what I said in my original post. And for that my friend, I applaud your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnyxDS
Not sure how you misinterpreted what I posted - but you pretty much summed it up in one quote:
"We upgrade sensibly. They engineer"
That was basically the premise of my post lol
I see a lot of blam on the other clan for withholding defenses but noone taking responsibility for dropping xbows as a fresh th9. Smh