When engineered clans have gone too far! Yes at this point its called cheating!

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Originally Posted by BLM

Well, maybe then you should care more about winning too but you don't . not our problem to hear these accusations of cheating when you loose.

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I never called it cheating. The engineers just must be weak because they want such easy matchups. I like to win, there just are things I am not willing to do in order to win. And the idea that engineering opens up more variety of play with less restrictions and more playing options is a lie.... the most stringent clans having the most rules to follow are engineered clans. They apply a formula that all members must follow dictating how they have to play, what they are allowed to upgrade and when they are allowed to do so. If that interests you and you feel great about beating up on weaker opponents, I feel sorry for you. Hey man, great win.

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Originally Posted by Monkeyhole

It's cheating cause op doesn't like it and it hurts his feelings.

OP sorry you got out played strategically in a strategy game. How come you aren't on here complaining when the matchmaking is in your favor?

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My thoughts exactly.

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Originally Posted by BbaBaba123

Yes, especially with last year's national wins (though there was some controversy) it was practically with a raichu that was out of the norm for even the experienced players.

Under smogon rules it be looked down upon or laughable, even if they are meant more for a singles rather than a doubles standpoint, but the point still stands.

Anything outside the norm or usual play, especially without restrictions stands far better than the average joe.

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Yeap, glad some people understand :)

Playing with everything within the rules tend to make people better players overall rather than playing with "soft bans" and artificial rules

Once you learn the meta and know how to counter it, it makes the player a better thinker and strategizer. It's behaviour and mindset that is most important. Once you have the mindset to win, you'll go a long way, in life and in games

Just like miners, overused rather than overpowered. Then people whine instead of changing their bases, so we have what we have right now

It's quite comical to read some of the childish posts from the people who feel they have been cornered by OPs post.

Let's clear things up:

Is it cheating? No - not with the current rules
Does SuperCell acknowledge it's an issue? Yes - it's clear they don't like it done to the extreme
Is it always unfair? Nope - if done wisely, following a proper progression, it's the smart thing to do
Are some using engineered bases to the extreme? Absolutely

I think engineering your base while upgrading is the smartest thing to do. Upgrading offense first is suggested before adding all of the defenses and upgrading them. It allows you to learn how to attack at the new TH before getting matched with tougher bases. I believe this was the thought process behind the people who created CoC.

When it gets unfair - it's pretty simple. I've seen countless clans that have TH11 with TH8 defense, walls, etc. but they have max troops, spells, army camps, and CC. When they get matched up with another TH8 (typically - usually some TH5s to lower weight in war as well) it becomes borderline scummy and takes the fun out of the game. Can you 3 them easy? Of course - but they also have 2 attacks and can clean up any other base even if they are low on the base # in war. The good 'scummy' clans perfect this.

That's not upgrading offense first before upgrading defense. That's straight up taking advantage of CoC to win more war stars and help your clan. If ANYONE thinks that's enjoyable - then I pray you're immature or a child. I believe this is the engineering CoC is going to try and fix - NOT upgrading offense then defense in a proper progression (that is smart).

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Originally Posted by bouges

Give me a break with the condescending ♥♥♥♥. It is just frustrating to play a game when others care about winning soooo much that they will game the system to get an unseemly ridiculous advantage. Bravo, enjoy the win but do not think you will get respect from anyone other than fellow engineers and noobs that do not know any better. Strategy?? Yeah right, call it that if it makes you feel better but all it is is straight up abusing the system and making wars intolerable and a joke.

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Thank you for a well thought out reply. It looks like the people that are working the system to their advantage, are the ones trying to silence the people here who are infuriated about wars which are seriously mismatched. Of course they are going to continue to condescend people who speak up when they meet these engineered clans. These clans or engineered bases want to cling on desperately to that advantage they are gaining advantage from bending the rules or th the system and they are using that advantage to get bonus war loot. Its time to play the game fairly folks.

Most clans have effectively modified their bases properly, i.e. that being your a new TH you are going to maximise your troops, heroes first before upgrading or buying major defences. I get that and That is fine and fair. And eventually those guys will be upgrading their defences as soon as their troop lvls are up. But when you specifically engineer an entire clan, to create a serious mismatch that is the problem.

If it was a clan problem or a strategy problem many people would have posted their complaints on the forum and I would have posted something every war. But this was a case where no matter what troops or strategy we were using we will not win! This is the first time our lvl 5 clan has faced such odds against us and all of us looked at the troops and bases and we all collaboratively said winning is impossible this war. What bothers fair play clans in general is when you are matched with a fully engineered clan and the sole purpose of this engineered clan is to guaranteed a win.

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Originally Posted by prosper12

Before you answer it is not cheating, the actual English definition of cheating is ... act unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination. It perfectly o.k. to not get major defenses before you upgrade your troops, heroes that is understandable and a reasonable way to war. But when the entire clan is engineered? Having defenses 2 TH levels below your town hall? At what point would you not call that cheating?

See for yourself read the matchup below. was this a mismatch or an engineered plan who knows how to work out matchmaking to gain an advantage in war.

our sister clan lvl 5 has faced the effects of matching an super engineered clan lvl 9. They got the cc troop advantage in being able to place their max troops in the cc compared with our th8 troops . Also looking at their clan non of them are actually active, i.e no trophy level with the exception of one guy who does the donating, the th10 with maxed troops. The rest is a ghost clan. Not sure but this could be one guy with 20 plus accounts???? Regardless many people in the forum have requested that SC puts more of an emphasis on troop levels to balance the matchmaking process so that engineered clans like this do not immediately or instantly get the upper hand in war. So far they have obliterated our bases because they have maxed air troops one th lvl ahead of us. They are using th9 max dragons and rage with our th8 bases, some of them not maxed. Our th8s have no choice but to use ground troops, but with the extra bombs, traps and walls, maxed heroes, maxed cc troops, and most of their walls are maxed levels from base 8 and upwards. I am sure this one guy or if it is a clan is laughing going hahahahaha, thank you supercell for allowing me to engineer my clan to gain the upper hand in war.

What was your worst matchmaking experience and how did it work out for you? Describe your experiences with engineered clans and how did you approach them in war.


We had only

• one th9, with lvl 1 xbows and th8 troops, th8 defences, as a th9 beginner.
• 6 th8 varied levels, begginer to almost max.
• 5 th7, varied levels.
• 4 th 6
• 3 Th 5
• 1 th 4

our cc troops lvl 3 valkerie, lvl 6 loon, lvl 4 dragon, lvl 6 loon, etc..

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• One th10 maxed troops and heroes. lvl 1 xbows, the rest th8 defences lava walls.
• 6 th9 no xbows, maxed air troops, th7-th8 defences. mortors really low level. lvl 4 drags, max rage, lvl 6 loons . Their bases had max air defences, the rest th7 defences or lower, some lvl 2 mortors there.
• 6 th7 ( from th7 and below their bases are reasonable and we have no problem 3 starring them)
• 4 th5
• 4 th4

their cc troops max baby drag, max wizards, and max Valkyries.

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My old clan faced a modding engineered clan they had us out matched by 4 th11s and 3 th10s we lost by four stars if they didnt mod we may have been able to get the win.
You felt the need to define cheating but the thing is they are not cheating its a strategy game and whether you wanna accept it or not that is a strategy(a plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim.)
they give away alot of stars with poor defense to maximize there offensive potential.

In my opinion the war matchmaking doesn't perform well.

I am advocating a change on preparation day to find a better perfect match

if if we could choose when the next war starts (from 18 to 36 Hours from now) we could stay in the search pool far longer and Then get better matches as you could stay in the search pool till the last minute before the war starts.

the only cons I see is not being able to see the opponent before war starts.

a more extreme fix would be only 1 attack per war , but i am not sure i would like it.

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Originally Posted by Monkeyhole

It's cheating cause op doesn't like it and it hurts his feelings.

OP sorry you got out played strategically in a strategy game. How come you aren't on here complaining when the matchmaking is in your favor?

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Originally Posted by Eddiesalita

You have to define unfairly.

If fair is staying within the rules. Then it's not cheating.

You don't get to arbitrarily make the rules. Supercell do. It's within the rules as sc have, made them. Therefore it's not cheating.

Sorry about that. You will have to wait for Sc to change the rules before it can be considered cheating.

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Yeah sorry but SC has basically said progress the way you want but we are not in favor of you using it to gain an advantage in war by their continued tweaking of the MM system against lopsided bases. They may be ok with how you upgrade your base but they are not ok with a clan coordinating their upgrades in order to get a weaker oponent. That is cheating and abuse of the system. It will be corrected. It's not playing by the rules more so as it is exploiting a glitch.

But it's up to SC to fix it and at the rate they fix stuff it will be broken until the game sunsets.

If they do ever end engineered bases we'll still whip your backside because you won't three star our bases anymore. We are better attackers than you because we are strategic :)

Been at war back to back for years. Only seen an engineered clan a couple of times at most. Did not lose. Occasionally see an engineered base. Never seen it as a strong advantage.

Op has seen an engineered clan once and it is now a "major" problem.

The only way sc can resolve this is by placing more & more restrictions on how the game is played. No way is this a good thing. One of the best aspects of this game is the fact u can upgrade however you like. I don't want to lose that freedom just because random forum guy thinks he may lose a war.