HPHB vs Valks

My mini is a TH9 and I pretty much always do a QW into mass valks. Occasionally I switch it up, but not very often. Same is true for most of the TH9s in my clan. HPHB seems to be all the rage, so I'm trying to get that down.

What are you looking for when deciding HPHB instead of valks? My initial thought was very dense bases so you could more easily guess traps/double bombs. But, valks benefit from that too since they can attack 2 adjacent buildings at once. Is it more of a wall level thing? And maybe being able to get value from bowlers in compartments you don't need to enter?

You want a base you can funnel into and crush through at least 1 and more likley 2 ADs before the healers get taken out. The advantage of HPHB is that your rage spells do double duty acting first to rage your troop though heavy defenses and walls and then pull the healers into the rage spell to heal up the troops under fire.

The added benefit of Pekkas is they don't get thrown off by spring traps and have enough HP to tank a long time for the troops with them and provide cover for the flanking hogs.

Makes sense. I've never been great at surgical hogs, but I guess that's a thing I should get better at. How long do you typically wait to drop hogs? I tried HGHB a few times awhile back, but I never really got the timing down.

It depends. I rarely surgical the hogs, just try to figure out which side of the heavy army I should deploy the hogs and let em run.

I'm typically close to half way through the base before sending in the pigs. On HGHB I find I use my hogs more and they do more cleanup. While on HPHB they do more work clearing defenses targeting the Pekkas that wind up doing a lot of the cleanup.

What comp do you use as a default? The one I've practiced with today is:

3 pekkas
3 healers
2 baby drags
11 hogs
7 wiz

2 rage
2 heal
2 poison

Is 3 healers generally enough?

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Originally Posted by cardsfan

What comp do you use as a default? The one I've practiced with today is:

3 pekkas
3 healers
2 baby drags
11 hogs
7 wiz

2 rage
2 heal
2 poison

Is 3 healers generally enough?

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3 Healers with the PEKKA, 4 with the Giants. Yes that seems like a good default. Though I go 3 rage 1 heal.

Cool, thanks. Much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by cardsfan

HPHB seems to be all the rage, so I'm trying to get that down.

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I think HGHB is a little easier and a little quicker &, at least in my mind, is much, much more popular than HPHB. HPHB starts off much different, which generally results in a slower attack. Stated another way, a correctly executed HGHB vs HPHB, the former will often finish sooner, sometimes much sooner

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Originally Posted by cardsfan

What are you looking for when deciding HPHB instead of valks?

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I honestly would recommend HGHB instead of HPHB to get going. Giants are generally easier to control and "go straight." Typical HGHB army (not customized) would be: 10 giants, 4 healers, 1 baby drag, 8 wiz, 14 hogs, 2 archer, 2 heal, 2 rage.

In general, for either HGHB or HPHB, your goal is damn-near singular: Get the bowlers to go straight/into the core, with tanks in front of them. Raged L3 bowlers just rampage TH9 war bases, but those bastiges are a royal PITA to not walk sometimes.

In regards to hogs, one of the keys is to just be patient with them. You want your KS to do some serious work and, correctly funneled, they will. If the attack goes right, you will be releasing most/all your hogs from a single spot to finish off the remainder of the base and you'll have 2 heals to help them through. Correctly done, with either attack, hogs aren't released, in general, until the KS hits the core. This would be much different than, say, a simple GoHo where the guideline was, "AQ and CC down, GO!"

I cannot think of many examples, in literally hundreds of attacks (of both types) where I surgical released my hogs. Just let 'em rip, especially since the GB nerf to hogs

I have been trying to finish a complete walk-through (i.e. an instructional video) of these attacks, especially HPHB, but I'm getting torched at work, so I can't finish it timely.

When you get close to mastering this attack, honestly, you will seldom consider Queen Walk again. Yes, it's that solid :)

Thanks guys! Tried HPHB for both attacks in our current war. First one was just a 2 star. I wasn't patient with hogs and think I came in at wrong spot.

Second attack was a 3 star vs an anti-3 base. War bonus was just 495K, so it wasn't a max TH9 or anything. But, it still went really well. I can see how these would be great strategies. I'll probably start using them a lot more often now, especially when I can't easily lure the CC.

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Originally Posted by Lunaticfringe

I think HGHB is a little easier and a little quicker &, at least in my mind, is much, much more popular than HPHB. HPHB starts off much different, which generally results in a slower attack. Stated another way, a correctly executed HGHB vs HPHB, the former will often finish sooner, sometimes much sooner



I honestly would recommend HGHB instead of HPHB to get going. Giants are generally easier to control and "go straight." Typical HGHB army (not customized) would be: 10 giants, 4 healers, 1 baby drag, 8 wiz, 14 hogs, 2 archer, 2 heal, 2 rage.

In general, for either HGHB or HPHB, your goal is damn-near singular: Get the bowlers to go straight/into the core, with tanks in front of them. Raged L3 bowlers just rampage TH9 war bases, but those bastiges are a royal PITA to not walk sometimes.

In regards to hogs, one of the keys is to just be patient with them. You want your KS to do some serious work and, correctly funneled, they will. If the attack goes right, you will be releasing most/all your hogs from a single spot to finish off the remainder of the base and you'll have 2 heals to help them through. Correctly done, with either attack, hogs aren't released, in general, until the KS hits the core. This would be much different than, say, a simple GoHo where the guideline was, "AQ and CC down, GO!"

I cannot think of many examples, in literally hundreds of attacks (of both types) where I surgical released my hogs. Just let 'em rip, especially since the GB nerf to hogs

I have been trying to finish a complete walk-through (i.e. an instructional video) of these attacks, especially HPHB, but I'm getting torched at work, so I can't finish it timely.

When you get close to mastering this attack, honestly, you will seldom consider Queen Walk again. Yes, it's that solid :)

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Agree with this.
I started with HGHB, but am now doing mostly HPHB with my th9 accounts. Pekkas are slower, but I find three stars easier with them. Even though I still three star regularly when I use giants.
The biggest reason for these attacks failing are bad hog deployment imo. You have less hogs than a goho, so releasing them early and on a side not being tanking by KS results in them dying super quick. Be patient with the deploy. I personally like to hold 1-2 for bad end cleanup too. Saved my bacon a lot with the clock running out. I've killed true max th9(royals, defense, walls) many times with new th9 accounts (10/10 royals). It's a way better startaegy than valks imo.

I fully agree with every thing Klavious stated. In answer to your initial question. I favor. Valks more for spread out (anti-Three star) bases, because of their speed and pekkas for compact bases.