Clan Wars

I used to enjoy clan wars. They were competitive and the ends of a close war was exciting as you watched the final attacks come in. With all the lopsided bases and unfair war matches, it sucked the enjoyment out. I left my clan that I loved to join FWA clan because it is at least fair. My suggestion to improve this situation is this.

1. Have war weight posted on profile page.
2. Have 2 war categories.
A. ENGINEERED CATEGORY: Engineered clans who would battle other engineered clans. If it is not an advantage, then i do not see why this is a problem.
B. MAX OR REGULAR PLAYERS: In order to be in this category, every war participant would have to have a war weight at least equal to a max town hall under what they are currently. (I.E. a TH8 would have to have at least a Max TH7 war weight.

I think with 2 different categories, everyone would be able to get out of clash what they are looking for unless it just trying to be unfair.

Thus putting all rushed/preemie players in with the players who ostensibly have a greater understanding of wars? Not a good idea.

Also, just because an engineered clan is in a war it does not make the match unfair. Your suggestion would truly lead to unfair wars.

what's to say the engineered clans still don't choose the maxed or regular players war option

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Originally Posted by DavidPumpkins

I used to enjoy clan wars. They were competitive and the ends of a close war was exciting as you watched the final attacks come in. With all the lopsided bases and unfair war matches, it sucked the enjoyment out. I left my clan that I loved to join FWA clan because it is at least fair. My suggestion to improve this situation is this.

1. Have war weight posted on profile page.
2. Have 2 war categories.
A. ENGINEERED CATEGORY: Engineered clans who would battle other engineered clans. If it is not an advantage, then i do not see why this is a problem.
B. MAX OR REGULAR PLAYERS: In order to be in this category, every war participant would have to have a war weight at least equal to a max town hall under what they are currently. (I.E. a TH8 would have to have at least a Max TH7 war weight.

I think with 2 different categories, everyone would be able to get out of clash what they are looking for unless it just trying to be unfair.

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this should be in the clan war subsection, if we dont use it it will be a graveyard, if we all use it it actually becomes useable, iether the sub section should be scrapped, or used as a archive, or we all need to be displined to make the sub forum work.

for category B

This is an option, another is to make the minimum possible clan defensive weight equal to at minimum 0.82 of the clan offensive weight. This system is much better than a per base system, because a clan may have 8 accounts with defence outweighing offence, and 2 that have offence outweighing defence, this clan is already at a matchmaker disadvantage so there is no point to prelude those 2 bases from waring in that clan, ir adjusting those specific bases defence weight up. It should be clanwide. The second reason its better is ut allows you to bring any base you want, it just limits your advantage by roughly the same amount yours does, so you get the same effect with less restrictions, and it adressess the whole clan, which is what really matters.

then on your idea of league A and B, then A could be on category, with higher war bonuses and xp, and B could be limited category, with lower bonuses and XP points. It doesnt really matter if engineers get higher XP and bonus, as there bases take more gems and are often harder to farm. You need to give these bases something back since you are taking an action against them which would result in less loot and fun for them. Since it doesnt make a difference to those in B league, we should give that to them.

otherwise supercell could give them gems to upgrade defence if they wish, this may seam nuts but is actually fair to them and will make supercell more money in the long run. There is no justification just to nerf these bases, and såpor supercell it would be smart ro retain them as customers, by offering then gems to upgrade defence.

so interesting suggestion, i think it could be developed and changed a little and then might be very good.

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Originally Posted by Aspex

Thus putting all rushed/preemie players in with the players who ostensibly have a greater understanding of wars? Not a good idea.

Also, just because an engineered clan is in a war it does not make the match unfair. Your suggestion would truly lead to unfair wars.

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this is a very good point too, their are lots of these premmies around and it would be bad for clash if we lose them all.

You are leaving out the 3rd category, rushed players.

I was a 10.5 before becoming a full TH11 and I'm just 6 days from having maxed defenses. It's all part of the progression of a base. Eventually all my .5s will build their infernos or EA. So, I don't think it's fair that we will be moved between the 2 war groups, if there was on implemented.

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Originally Posted by shadowlord1972

what's to say the engineered clans still don't choose the maxed or regular players war option

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Under this system, if every base on the war roster didn't qualify for option B then they would not qualify for option B. Option B would be locked out. It would still give people option of going .5 to make their non war experience still fun but would separate MAX and .5 from engineered clans. It would allow both groups to play the game they way they want without infringing on other people opportunity to do the same.

I used to hate the engineered/defenseless bases. Now I have one of each and my main. My main has not made a defensive upgrade in almost 3/4 of a year. Mid TH9 defenses, TH10. Hides below two TH9s Then I have a TH6 level defense TH9, Hides below the TH8s. Then a TH7 defenseless, usually the bottom of the map with opponent having a coup!e TH6/5.
I am having more fun in wars now than ever. Each one of these fight down one TH in war most times, but all can hit their own TH as good as anybody if needed.
That said, It still is a lousy matchmaker and needs fixed. But, if that is the way they want it. Game on.

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Originally Posted by Vikingchief

this should be in the clan war subsection, if we dont use it it will be a graveyard, if we all use it it actually becomes useable, iether the sub section should be scrapped, or used as a archive, or we all need to be displined to make the sub forum work.

for category B

This is an option, another is to make the minimum possible clan defensive weight equal to at minimum 0.82 of the clan offensive weight. This system is much better than a per base system, because a clan may have 8 accounts with defence outweighing offence, and 2 that have offence outweighing defence, this clan is already at a matchmaker disadvantage so there is no point to prelude those 2 bases from waring in that clan, ir adjusting those specific bases defence weight up. It should be clanwide. The second reason its better is ut allows you to bring any base you want, it just limits your advantage by roughly the same amount yours does, so you get the same effect with less restrictions, and it adressess the whole clan, which is what really matters.

then on your idea of league A and B, then A could be on category, with higher war bonuses and xp, and B could be limited category, with lower bonuses and XP points. It doesnt really matter if engineers get higher XP and bonus, as there bases take more gems and are often harder to farm. You need to give these bases something back since you are taking an action against them which would result in less loot and fun for them. Since it doesnt make a difference to those in B league, we should give that to them.

otherwise supercell could give them gems to upgrade defence if they wish, this may seam nuts but is actually fair to them and will make supercell more money in the long run. There is no justification just to nerf these bases, and såpor supercell it would be smart ro retain them as customers, by offering then gems to upgrade defence.

so interesting suggestion, i think it could be developed and changed a little and then might be very good.

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I disagree with almost all of your suggestions under Category B.

1. The idea of every base and not clan D weight is to make sure every base is compliant so we get rid of defenseless bases at bottom bringing war weight down.
2. Why should engineered clans get more out of wars than regular clans? Just because they decided to play the game a different way. Nope. Both should be same. Play the game anyway you like. We need to get away from penalizing max and .5 players because they are playing the game the way Supercell set it up to play.

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Originally Posted by DavidPumpkins

I disagree with almost all of your suggestions under Category B.

1. The idea of every base and not clan D weight is to make sure every base is compliant so we get rid of defenseless bases at bottom bringing war weight down.
2. Why should engineered clans get more out of wars than regular clans? Just because they decided to play the game a different way. Nope. Both should be same. Play the game anyway you like. We need to get away from penalizing max and .5 players because they are playing the game the way Supercell set it up to play.

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Point 2 we could debate all night, so lets take it later.

point 1, using a clanwide weight defence minimum weight as a ratio of offence is the only way to do it fairly, because its the metric tjat matters. If a war clan has 19 max th 11 defence with lev 1 barb, and then 1 defencless max th11 offence at the bottom, there is no justification to exclude this base from war. That clan is already at a huge disadvantage and that offencless hardly makes a dent in evening it up, even 2 or 3 wont turn the clan stong. You should allow clans to offset Noob defence rushed bases with offence strong so you dont end up with a bunch of bases no one will accept into clans. It not fair to them, and not necessary as the clanwide offence to defence ratio is where the advantage is created, not on individual bases.

if a clan has a reasonable overall offence to defence ratio, there is no reason to pick on individual bases, as the clan does not have an advantage, individual bases are no the problem, its he total amount of clanwide offence to defence that makes wars unfair.

this is the only rational way to look at it, if you spefically and spitefully want to punish specific bases for enjoyment, then we have nothing to talk about, I hope that that is not your motivation.