Clan Ranks

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Originally Posted by fette

What's that rank supposed to do if it's supposed to be better than co but not leader? What's it called?
'Leader's special friend'?
'Teacher's pet of the week'?

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best one :facepalm:

:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by fette

Lol well firstly there is nothing offensive about being member and no, we don't need a custom system. It's your own choice to restrict the number of co and elders in your clan. If you feel evyone should 'advance' as you call it, then promote them. There is nothing wrong with having a clan full of elders or co's.

Functionwise the two are separated sensibly so you do have a choice. Just make use of what's available proverly.

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Exactly. People who only join where they would be promoted generally make bad clanmates and wouldn't last long in a good clan anyway.

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Originally Posted by Valthis

Well, my issue is that we need more room for advancement period.

Most leaders don't want to go overboard with the amount of Elder's and Co's in their clans for both the sake of security of the overall clan, various trust issues, and even for something as simple as for the sake of simplicity.

Even if they are simply glorified positions that hold no real power, allowing us to designate and name ranks should be a pretty simple thing to do, and moreover, allow room for clan advancement for those who would otherwise be eternally "member" forever.

And frankly, I won't ever join a clan unless there's room for advancement. I refuse to eternally be basic in rank. Promotions, even those without real power, still make one feel good.

It would be a simple update that would go a long, long way to solving SC's community relations issues, something that would be loved by the hundreds of thousands of people pulling for it, and something that would in no way negatively affect the game.

We need room for advancement.

*EDIT* : It's not my choice. Many leaders will automatically restrict the number of Co's and Elder's they are willing to make to an arbitrary number. And while this would hold true no matter how many ranks we had, it would still open the door for others to get promotion and rank beyond that of a basic member, instead of being forced to be a member for all eternity if they want to stay in said clan for either personal or impersonal reasons.

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Exactly what I wanna say but can't explain like you!! Bravo! well typed!!! BTW u'r a good typer

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Originally Posted by ShivTheLeader

I am recently thinking about clan ranks... Me and my friend both run clan together..... I am the most dominant but he is just greater than a co.... But not good to be a leader. I think there is should be a clan rank that will have more powers than co..... But can only given to two people.

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Your friend already has a higher rank than any other "co" in the clan .. The IRL connection makes it so, because you are not going to kick your friend from the clan unless you guys have a conflict in real life.

ANYWAY .. the rank in a clan means nothing and the leader can flush out everybody and start over, if he feels like it.

/Affront

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Originally Posted by ShivTheLeader

Exactly what I wanna say but can't explain like you!! Bravo! well typed!!! BTW u'r a good typer

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It's needless complication for the sake of boosting fragile egos with fake status. A bad idea all round.

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Originally Posted by Valthis

Well, my issue is that we need more room for advancement period.

Most leaders don't want to go overboard with the amount of Elder's and Co's in their clans for both the sake of security of the overall clan, various trust issues, and even for something as simple as for the sake of simplicity.

Even if they are simply glorified positions that hold no real power, allowing us to designate and name ranks should be a pretty simple thing to do, and moreover, allow room for clan advancement for those who would otherwise be eternally "member" forever.

And frankly, I won't ever join a clan unless there's room for advancement. I refuse to eternally be basic in rank. Promotions, even those without real power, still make one feel good.

It would be a simple update that would go a long, long way to solving SC's community relations issues, something that would be loved by the hundreds of thousands of people pulling for it, and something that would in no way negatively affect the game.

We need room for advancement.

*EDIT* : It's not my choice. Many leaders will automatically restrict the number of Co's and Elder's they are willing to make to an arbitrary number. And while this would hold true no matter how many ranks we had, it would still open the door for others to get promotion and rank beyond that of a basic member, instead of being forced to be a member for all eternity if they want to stay in said clan for either personal or impersonal reasons.

*EDIT 2* And frankly, I'm offended by being a member for longer than needed to attain the needed requirements for advancement. Eternally being the laughing stock of your clan and at the complete mercy of those above you isn't something you should always have to deal with. It's why I strive to rank to Co as soon as possible. Hitting every requirement as quickly as I can. Being forever unable to rank upwards isn't something I or many others would tolerate. There's a huge difference between short term and long term.

And again, this solution solves this issue the best.

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So you see members as the laughing stock of a clan?

No competent leader will promote you if that would be your attitude to those beneath you, and that's even without considering that those who want or need rank are often the most unsuitable to hold it.

i'd like to share my opinion on this:

have u hear about a lvl12 clan having 45+ members (minimum number) including only 2 co-leaders and 4 elders? (highest war win streak 19, and always 40K+ clan points including 20+ th10-11)
do u think that doesn't help to keep the clan progression?
do u think that gives a bad inter-clan relationship between clan mates?
do u think that prevent the members to be gentle in clan chat or in clan wars?

listen to me OP, there's nothing to do with clan rankings if ur clan isn't one of those "join for free co" types... :p SC already gives us all necessary tools to manage any clan successfully :) all u need to do is the proper use of those tools :D

good luck :)

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Originally Posted by Aspex

So you see members as the laughing stock of a clan?

No competent leader will promote you if that would be your attitude to those beneath you, and that's even without considering that those who want or need rank are often the most unsuitable to hold it.

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No. Try reading the entire post.

I see being stuck as a member forever as a laughing stock. Not the rank in and of itself. I'm willing to tolerate it only so long as is required to fulfill all requirements for advancement. As far as the member rank goes, it's not the rank itself that's the problem, but the fact that unless you can move up, your going to be stuck as a basic and unimportant person forever. And that's not something I'll tolerate.

No competent leader would promote someone who doesn't read or comprehend their posts either.

And FYI : I've been Co in more than one clan that I've been in for 8+ months or longer. I'm used to that rank. Joining a clan and expecting promotions out of nowhere is childish yes, but joining a clan and then being told you'll never advance because they already have their quota of Elders and Co's set is unforgivable. We need room for advancement, and custom ranks/toggled powers fixes this in the best possible way.

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Originally Posted by Valthis

No. Try reading the entire post.

I see being stuck as a member forever as a laughing stock. Not the rank in and of itself. I'm willing to tolerate it only so long as is required to fulfill all requirements for advancement. As far as the member rank goes, it's not the rank itself that's the problem, but the fact that unless you can move up, your going to be stuck as a basic and unimportant person forever. And that's not something I'll tolerate.

No competent leader would promote someone who doesn't read or comprehend their posts either.

And FYI : I've been Co in more than one clan that I've been in for 8+ months or longer. I'm used to that rank. Joining a clan and expecting promotions out of nowhere is childish yes, but joining a clan and then being told you'll never advance because they already have their quota of Elders and Co's set is unforgivable. We need room for advancement, and custom ranks/toggled powers fixes this in the best possible way.

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So members are now basic and unimportant people? And long-term members who are satisfied to remain so are laughing stocks?

I read and comprehended what you wrote. I just disagree with your basic precepts and the conclusions that they led you to. To see rank as somehow conferring worth is a large flaw in your world view. The corollary of you seeing you not advancing as making you a laughing stock means that you would see others who were members and not advancing as laughing stocks and that is not acceptable in my, and I suspect most others', eyes.

As I said in my edit, those who want rank are often the most unsuitable to hold it.

What if you accidentally pocket promoted someone to "Leader's Special Friend". The forums would be flooded with threads claiming this happened and the inactive leader doesn't know who these friends are.