Possible cloud solution for Legend League

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December 5th, 2016
Cayumi

Possible cloud solution for Legend League

There has been many great suggestions to solve the excessive cloud times in Legend League.
One example is the Legend Battle system presented here by Ariesram:
https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...eague-Gameplay

My suggestion is not at all as complex, it comes in two variations, and is potentionally stupid.
I want to throw it out there to give room for some discussion, so with further ado; the solution to clouds in legend is:

Pay them. Pay the players in Legend League. Not with money, but with gems as below:

Option 1
Every hour a player stays in Legend League he/she generates 1 gem. Up to a seasonal (monthly) cap of 500.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Option 2
Upon reaching Legend League the player will recieve this bad boy:
http://i.imgur.com/u6CeKiD.jpg

It's the Gem Generator!
It will function like any other collector/pump/drill with a production rate and capacity.
Prouction rate will be 1 per hour, and capacity will be 12.
This would be a new building, but it would not be present in war.
100% of the capacity can be stolen by others, it can not be boosted.

There we go. I believe this could encourage more people to strive for Legend League which could eliminate the clouds.
I also think they should implement achievements with gems for Titan and Legend as further encouragement.

What do you think?
December 5th, 2016
OnyxDS

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Originally Posted by Cayumi

There we go. I believe this could encourage more people to strive for Legend League which could eliminate the clouds.
I also think they should implement achievements with gems for Titan and Legend as further encouragement.

What do you think?

There's a number of threads around discussing why the number of players in Legends league has no impact on clouds. As Superfinch pointed out, when Legends was first released, there was precisely 1 person in the league. At the end of last season it was a little over 35000. Change in clouds: none at all. Getting another 30000 people into Legends will also make precisely zero difference.
December 5th, 2016
C0CBandits

....and whos dont need gems?

...even....where should a maxed TH11 spend their gems?

BTW it would make clouds even worse.....more people in legend would generates more clouds....do the math.
December 5th, 2016
Cayumi

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Originally Posted by OnyxDS

There's a number of threads around discussing why the number of players in Legends league has no impact on clouds. As Superfinch pointed out, when Legends was first released, there was precisely 1 person in the league. At the end of last season it was a little over 35000. Change in clouds: none at all. Getting another 30000 people into Legends will also make precisely zero difference.

You don't happen to have a link to any of those threads? I don't understand how the cloud time can be unaffected by more people in the league. I thought the whole issue was that too few players where in there, hiding behind shields like we all do so there was no one to attack.
December 5th, 2016
C0CBandits

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Originally Posted by Cayumi

You don't happen to have a link to any of those threads? I don't understand how the cloud time can be unaffected by more people in the league. I thought the whole issue was that too few players where in there, hiding behind shields like we all do so there was no one to attack.

1 person attack more than 1 base....so if you bring more people they are will do the same so the clouds would be longer since more people attack more bases...
December 5th, 2016
OnyxDS

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Originally Posted by Cayumi

You don't happen to have a link to any of those threads? I don't understand how the cloud time can be unaffected by more people in the league. I thought the whole issue was that too few players where in there, hiding behind shields like we all do so there was no one to attack.

Try some sample numbers. Assuming at first that Legends only attack each to keep things simple...
If there are 100 people, each clouding for 12 hours a day, and on average defending twice a day, then there are 200 targets per day to hand out. And that's across 1200 hours of search time. So average time in clouds is 1200/200 = 6 hours. Some people will be luckier and some get worse luck, but average is 6 hours.
If there are 10,000 people, each clouding for 12 hours and defending twice a day, then it's 20,000 targets to be handed out and a total cloud time of 120,000 hours. Which is an average of... a target every 6 hours in clouds. Totally unchanged. Cloud time = (average hours searching per day / average defences per day). The number of people makes no difference.

Of course it's not quite that bad in Legends, because they can also attack Titans who aren't quite so active. Especially people in T3 who are just farming the league bonus. So the slightly more subtle answer is that the ratio between the number of people in Legends and number in Titans has an effect. More Titans (especially farming) and fewer Legends improves cloud time. Likewise more people farming in high champs will help Titans (and slightly help Legends, since T attackers are less likely to hit each other, this offering themselves up to L more). But this only really works at the bottom of Legends. People at 6000 are so far from any farming territory that the forecast is very cloudy indeed.
December 5th, 2016
SlovakEoin

This sounds more like an "I would like gems but don't want to buy them" idea.

I'm pretty sure that SC wouldn't want to flood the game with free gems.
December 6th, 2016
Cayumi

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Originally Posted by OnyxDS

Try some sample numbers. Assuming at first that Legends only attack each to keep things simple...
If there are 100 people, each clouding for 12 hours a day, and on average defending twice a day, then there are 200 targets per day to hand out. And that's across 1200 hours of search time. So average time in clouds is 1200/200 = 6 hours. Some people will be luckier and some get worse luck, but average is 6 hours.
If there are 10,000 people, each clouding for 12 hours and defending twice a day, then it's 20,000 targets to be handed out and a total cloud time of 120,000 hours. Which is an average of... a target every 6 hours in clouds. Totally unchanged. Cloud time = (average hours searching per day / average defences per day). The number of people makes no difference.

Of course it's not quite that bad in Legends, because they can also attack Titans who aren't quite so active. Especially people in T3 who are just farming the league bonus. So the slightly more subtle answer is that the ratio between the number of people in Legends and number in Titans has an effect. More Titans (especially farming) and fewer Legends improves cloud time. Likewise more people farming in high champs will help Titans (and slightly help Legends, since T attackers are less likely to hit each other, this offering themselves up to L more). But this only really works at the bottom of Legends. People at 6000 are so far from any farming territory that the forecast is very cloudy indeed.

Thank you very much for this reply and your explanation.
It seems my basic conception was way off. I thought it had to do with the limited amount of people in Legend and nothing else. And my "solution" was intended to bring more people up there.

I can't help but think tho, that if more people were trying to reach Legend, there would inevitably be more people in champs and titan too, trying to push through. Which would, as you state, affect clouds in Legend.

Another partial solution could be the range where we are matched. I've heared several times (maybe it's just a myth) it's about 600 trophies up and down. Maybe for people in Legend this should be increased, so that they get matched against titan 1-3 and even down to champs if need be.

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Originally Posted by SlovakEoin

This sounds more like an "I would like gems but don't want to buy them" idea.

I'm pretty sure that SC wouldn't want to flood the game with free gems.

I see your point and it do make some sense.
This was however never my intention.
December 6th, 2016
OnyxDS

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Originally Posted by Cayumi

I can't help but think tho, that if more people were trying to reach Legend, there would inevitably be more people in champs and titan too, trying to push through. Which would, as you state, affect clouds in Legend.

The effect would be quite limited though, partly for the reasons below...

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Another partial solution could be the range where we are matched. I've heared several times (maybe it's just a myth) it's about 600 trophies up and down. Maybe for people in Legend this should be increased, so that they get matched against titan 1-3 and even down to champs if need be.

The problem with giving pushers more targets, is that the demand to attack is almost insatiable. Some people would be attacking hundreds of times a day (rather than the current 5 or so) if they could. So either they just hoover up all the available targets and it clouds over again; including clouding over the new range where they've just been allowed to attack. Or if there are unlimited targets then trophies and gem costs go crazy at the top. People would reach 100,000 cups in a season, spending masses of money to instant gem armies.
This was discussed a load more in this thread.
December 6th, 2016
lonewolf1234

The way to solve to clouds in legends is simple......it's called town hall 12....LOL