Lock members into war

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Originally Posted by Aspex

You have already been advised not to include that many uncertain members in your wars. You should be only be including one or two per war, so that their attacks can easily be covered should they leave.

It seems like, instead of your members thinking that they need to work harder to overcome the missing attacks, you wish to demotivate your members more by them seeing clanmates not bothering to attack at all.

Additionally, if your clanmates are the sort who will not even bother to attack in a perceived losing war then that is on the leadership for accepting such a poor attitude in their clan.

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Again I motivate them by incentives of promtiom aspects and being removed if they don't attack. So again blaming leader isn't the issue again. Iam looking at the aspect of people seeng oh we won't have a chance after seeing people that were all for war leave us at the very early stages of the game. And get that mind set of "why bother attacking or wasting my resources to overcome a war that seems fruitless to them. "Which makes me kick them if they don't try at all. Iam just trying to stop part of problem it's not perfect but it will help with morale issues seeing you have everyone but if they don't attack they gone

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Originally Posted by Roas

Not sure that it is a good idea to enforce the opt so that the leader can't start a war with a player that opt'ed out of war.



So now we can't do a friendly war with our own clan? (We use to split the clan so half leaves and make a new clan) This is counterproductive for the game and friendly matches.
And it would be a problem for clans needing 1 player just to be able to start a war (only 9 players wanting to do war, with this you can't get a low TH from global just to fill the roaster.)



At the other end, there have to be a penalty for a clan to kick players, so at the same moment as the clan kick the player while at war, the clan and all of it's members gets a 14 days penalty where they can't do any wars. You have to have a penalty system that way too, else clans will exploit kicking players left and right just for the fun of it.

.oO(I really don't like the idea of punishing hoppers, yes they are annoying, but it is up the the clan leaders to manage the clans. A good leader can make it work, they have done that for years. So why should that suddenly have changed now, so a good leader can't get a clan up and running the right way. It just requires a lot of work, and I mean really a lot of work. Until the clan have matured, the leader has to show diplomatic skills, charismatic skills and donate like crazy just to get a great core that will help the clan to stay together. Not everyone is cut out to be a leader of a clan. Be honest to yourself, do you have the time and skill to be a great leader, if not. Then you might just be a great Co-leader instead.)

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I do my best to make bridges and give incentives. I try to bring new blood in but they don't even give us a shot to make outlet clan good again. I do vent and try my best to keep up with the needs of the clan I donate high troops constantly bleeding out resources and achieving at minimum 10,000 troop donations highest I ever got was near 20,000 the next highest was 1,500. I was appointed leader by the former leader cause I care and I put a lot of what little time I do to making this clan good again but Iam having recuirting isssues and on top of that retention issues. Just looking for ways to get better leadership tools to keep and retain people. I've taken courses in leadership and strategy since Iam former military and the game limits me from actually doing certain rentention abilities for casual clan

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Originally Posted by Frost86

Again I motivate them by incentives of promtiom aspects and being removed if they don't attack. So again blaming leader isn't the issue again. Iam looking at the aspect of people seeng oh we won't have a chance after seeing people that were all for war leave us at the very early stages of the game. And get that mind set of "why bother attacking or wasting my resources to overcome a war that seems fruitless to them. "Which makes me kick them if they don't try at all. Iam just trying to stop part of problem it's not perfect but it will help with morale issues seeing you have everyone but if they don't attack they gone

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In your first thread on the subject you said that people are wanting to be in war shortly after joining and I responded by asking if you would give them rank just because they want it. Now you say that people who are "all for war" are leaving. As you didn't seem to see what I was getting at and pick up on my hint then, I will now explicitly state that those who agitate for you to start wars, who moan about being told that they will have to sit a war out, who constantly ask when the next war is despite having been told several times, they are the players most likely to jump.

You have been given excellent advice in this and your other thread. Don't put the above mentioned people in war, don't take any more new people than you can easily cover into war, never accept recruits with a cooldown and you will vastly minimise this issue..

You say that this is not a leadership issue, I say that it is. If it were not, every single clan would be having constant problems with this. They are not.

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Originally Posted by Aspex

In your first thread on the subject you said that people are wanting to be in war shortly after joining and I responded by asking if you would give them rank just because they want it. Now you say that people who are "all for war" are leaving. As you didn't seem to see what I was getting at and pick up on my hint then, I will now explicitly state that those who agitate for you to start wars, who moan about being told that they will have to sit a war out, who constantly ask when the next war is despite having been told several times, they are the players most likely to jump.

You have been given excellent advice in this and your other thread. Don't put the above mentioned people in war, don't take any more new people than you can easily cover into war, never accept recruits with a cooldown and you will vastly minimise this issue..

You say that this is not a leadership issue, I say that it is. If it were not, every single clan would be having constant problems with this. They are not.

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Is easy said then done by your high tower critiquing someone that does performance based promotion. Not one person that's elder or co leader got there for doing nothing. They earned it. I don't let cool down people in since they left their clan and have no sense of loyalty or decentess to stay with their current team. If I don't have better tools or ways to keep the clan running smooth it's like fighting with an arm tied behind your back.

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Originally Posted by Frost86

Is easy said then done by your high tower critiquing someone that does performance based promotion. Not one person that's elder or co leader got there for doing nothing. They earned it. I don't let cool down people in since they left their clan and have no sense of loyalty or decentess to stay with their current team. If I don't have better tools or ways to keep the clan running smooth it's like fighting with an arm tied behind your back.

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How am I critiquing from a high tower? I am giving practical advice based on relevant experience.

The promotion comment was an analogy, one that you haven't seemed to comprehend. Just as you do not promote because someone asks for it, you should not include someone in war just because they ask for it.

If you are ill-equipped to lead then give up the leadership. Plenty of other leaders are well equipped with both the in-game information available and the ability to judge character and are not facing these problems.

There is no need to change game mechanics to try to keep dying clans alive.

If you find that you're clan is failing it may be time to close shop and join a thriving active clan. No shame in not being leader.

As myself and other stated not everyone is entitled to lead a clan.

You've got to manage your clan better.

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Originally Posted by Roas

So if someone comes by your clan and you choose to put them in war by accident or whatever, then they should be locked to your clan for 47 hours? Hmm I guess you would have a bad war then, the guy cant leave, so he/she will start filling any war-request with goblins, throw wallbreakers on the warboard and generally be a pain in the ... by spamming the clan-chat for the next 47 hours. Ohh and do two drop barbs as his/shes 2 attacks. You really want that?

I do understand why you have the idea, but the solution ain't going to work.

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lol,nice one:thumbsup:
Have a nice day!

All Iam asking is a better mechanic to keep moral from dropping after waiting screen and still people dip out once war begins

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Originally Posted by Frost86

All Iam asking is a better mechanic to keep moral from dropping after waiting screen and still people dip out once war begins

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Put in a majority of trusted loyal members that can cover enough attacks to win war in the event of players hopping/ deserting mid war.

What is so complicated about that?