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I want to use strategies like goho, govaho, and gowiva at th9. My hogs are level 4, valks level 2, and golem level 2 from townhall 8. Which one of the troops should I start on in the lab first? Should I max each troop one by one or should I spread upgrades out between the troops? Please comment what you have done in the past or what is best for starting out. Thanks for reading!
When I went to th9 the first thing i upgraded (after giants... you should do giants first, in my opinion) was valks to lvl 4. Then I did hogs to 5. Golems are good to upgrade, but you can usually get away with just onion an attack and you can take a max in cc, so I'd max valks and hogs first.
Strongly disagree, if war is the priority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mountainman1
Elixir is toast as soon as the upgrade finishes on TH9 (or TH10 for that matter) on lab, SF, etc. to say nothing about upgrading army camps, which is the logical place to use elixir.
DE upgrades should likely be the first in the lab.
In general, giants shouldn't see the lab for quite sometime. An exception might be if you are a serious farmer, but...
I also disagree about early TH9 going valk before hogs. Many/most early TH9s just get steam rolled with a simple GoHo, especially with the GB change. I still submit hogs are the easy, first choice.
Hi,
my upgrade strategy (as th9) was:
1) Golem (up to level 4) - they are useful for quite every strategy
2) Hogs (up to level 5) - with this couple of troops you may plan a GoHog attack (and I think it is one of the best strategy for wars)
3) Valks (up to level 4) - especially now they are one of the easiest troop to use
4) Wizards (now up to level 6) - same reason as for golems: quite every strategy implies wizards
After them, I would upgrade spells.
I suggest to upgrade one troop to the max level instead of spreading the upgrades between the troops.
I think that it is better to use in war only maxed troops.
Ok?
I'm curious why you'd pick golem over hogs, especially once the CC is upgraded to 30 and an early TH9 can bring a max golem in itQuote:
Originally Posted by Guyaz
Hi,
I prefer (or better: I preferred at that time) upgrade golem before hogs because:
a) I didn't have the CC upgraded yet (so it could carry only 25 units:unsure:);
b) I use (in quite every war strategy) two golems (one maxed in the CC, the other one produced by myself).
For both reason, I think that the golem should be upgraded first (just to have some "tankability").
Excuse me for the poor english (it's not my mothertongue). Hope I avoided mistakes.:)
I did valks before hog but its easy to see the argument for reversing that, especially if you want to war immediately. Valks need 2 upgrades and hogs only 1 so your hog will be done faster. Hog is also cheaper than either valk upgrade.
I'm in the camp that golem can come after those b/c you can bring a max golem in the CC. I think I am even going to do an elix upgrade or two before golem but I have a few days to decide for sure.
Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guyaz
I'd always recommend the first thing gold goes into when going from TH8 to TH9 or TH9 to TH10 is the CC (TH8 to TH9 is even more important, as holding 30 units in the CC is a big deal). As such, this allows you to hold max golem in CC. Then, bringing even an L2 golem on the other side is often just fine, especially against early/mid TH9s. L5 hogs just tear through early TH9s.
Ultimately, when the dust settles, I seldom see any legitimate/consistent 3* strategy at TH9 that doesn't use hogs and/or loons. Yes, valks are fun and tear through ♥♥♥♥, but attacks like GoVa just don't consistently pull 3*(unless, of course, it's a simple bully attack, but, at that point, it doesn't matter). Add in hogs or loons, however, and the attack goes from decent to one of the best at TH9
I went hogs to 5 first (gives you goho right off the bat) Then I went giants 6, healer 4. This allowed me to focus on queen. Improve my farming army greatly. And give me the troops I have been using for war for months. HGHB is still one of the strongest attacks at th9. I have a much higher 3 star rate with this than clanmates pushing GoVaHo or GoValk. The majority of bases are just screaming for it. Then I did heal spell. By this time AQ was not embarrassing anymore lol. Then I went valk 3, valks 4, Golem 3, Wizards 6, poison 3. Now I'm doing loons and sad I waited so long, BUT I wouldnt change the order at all. It has helped me to consistently three star 67k TH9s with stronger heroes than me...how can I complain? Good Luck!!!
"I'd always recommend the first thing gold goes into when going from TH8 to TH9 or TH9 to TH10 is the CC (TH8 to TH9 is even more important, as holding 30 units in the CC is a big deal)."
Now, having some more experience, I completely agree.
Upgrading the CC is definitely a priority.
"Then, bringing even an L2 golem on the other side is often just fine, especially against early/mid TH9s."
I think sometimes it is not enough. Maybe it can work on early TH9. But it presumes that the attacker has a great ability in positioning the second golem (greater than mine:)).
"Ultimately, when the dust settles, I seldom see any legitimate/consistent 3* strategy at TH9 that doesn't use hogs and/or loons. Yes, valks are fun and tear through ♥♥♥♥, but attacks like GoVa just don't consistently pull 3*(unless, of course, it's a simple bully attack, but, at that point, it doesn't matter)."
Before the last game update (without the nerf on the double giant bomb) I would disagree. Now, I think you are definitely right.
Anyhow, I think that loons (and air attack in general) are quite a trouble for early TH9. They require high level heroes imo.
If you are an air attacker, Hounds & Loons should both be early TH9 upgrades. If you aren't good with air or don't expect to be attacking though air you can wait on the Hound but Loons are still good to upgrade somewhat early.
If you are a ground attacker I'd rank the DE upgrades as follows in order of importance
Hogs 5
Valks 3
Valks 4
Golem 3
Golem 4
And totally agree with Lunatic that the #1 best thing you can possibly do with gold in all off TH9 is upgrade your CC to 30 space which should always be one of your first gold upgrades. I think that holds for nearly every TH but is especially true for TH9.
TH9 has so may elixir and DE upgrades that you really need prioritize what type of attacks you want to focus on and do you want to get your farm troops up first or knock out the war troops.
That said if you keep the lab humming all the time and you are like "most" clasers you will find that both your defenses and lab are done long before your heroes and walls.
With that said take every opp you can to put a royal down and it is easier to knock out the DE lab upgrades earlier when you heores are "cheap". After Heroes hit L20 for the AQ and L22 for the BK they cost over 100K per upgrade and form many saving for both dark troops in the lab and royal upgrades is not feasable unless you are a real good and really active farmer.
I can promise you, against most early and some mid TH9s, one max golem out of CC and an L2 golem is overwhelmingly just fine for tanking. At mid to max, of course, that's a much more risky proposition, but early TH9s generally have little hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guyaz
I'm not sure what you are saying. I will reiterate, however, that hogs and/or loons should dominate your attack strategies if you are looking to 3* an enemy war base at TH9, both before and after the latest update. At no point did many legitimate 3* strategies exist without hogs or loons. If you disagree, please name one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guyaz
Totally agree. Hounds, especially L2 hounds and L6 loons, just clean up early to mid TH9s and it's almost mindless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klavious
Agree. Only if you like air, which I strongly recommend learning, would I deviate from the above list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klavious
May not be what you are looking for but..Quote:
Originally Posted by XxStarWarsFanxX
I went in this order: Hogs (one upgrade to max at TH9) Loons, Lava Houonds, Minions... Giants, Wiz in the hopper..Archers on deck (for farming and AQ cloak buff)...
I figured I can take a max Gol in the CC and make my L2 last long enough to be up to par for Kill-Squad against newish TH9s for my Maxed Hog army variants.
I am air oriented, so I use a Queen-Pop LaLoonion army for War if the base allows. otherwise I can GOHog it if it's set up to repel air.
I take a max Hound, and max EQ in the CC and 2 Rage and 2 Thor (lightning) spells. I take 10 Minions (to help with the CC) 3 Hounds and rest loons..with this set up, I only need L2 Hounds and L6 loons upgraded to take out a MAXED TH9 if the set up premits..
next dark troop will be Valkyries (to max) as again, I can take a maxed Gol in the CC to compensate for not having L4 in my own camps.
This combo is pretty dang tough once you know the ins and outs of pathing and the somewhat surgical deployment of loons.. well timed spells and its game over. it dosent necessarily NEED Royals either, but they help clean up or the AQ helps to clear the CC if a Dragon/Bby Drag is hidden in there..
Spot on, as referenced in my post Im all in Air.. but I think this is sound intel for ground based strats. and overall TH9 progressionQuote:
Originally Posted by Klavious
Remind me again why you use 20 troop space (i.e. 10 minions) for the CC when all you ~ever need is ~5 archers and the Queen?Quote:
Originally Posted by AFRO
Consensus appears to be
Hog
Valks
Golem
If you like ground then I agree completely
Originally Posted by Guyaz https://forum-content.supercell.com/...post-right.png
"Then, bringing even an L2 golem on the other side is often just fine, especially against early/mid TH9s."
I think sometimes it is not enough. Maybe it can work on early TH9. But it presumes that the attacker has a great ability in positioning the second golem (greater than mine:)).
I can promise you, against most early and some mid TH9s, one max golem out of CC and an L2 golem is overwhelmingly just fine for tanking. At mid to max, of course, that's a much more risky proposition, but early TH9s generally have little hope.
OK: I think we are saying the same thing.
Generally speaking, against low level TH9, an attacker usually needs only one level 5 golem - the second golem could be of any level.
A good attacker can bring up this concept to mid level th9.
A worser attacker would find problem (and would need a better second golem).
https://forum-content.supercell.com/...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Guyaz https://forum-content.supercell.com/...post-right.png
Before the last game update (without the nerf on the double giant bomb) I would disagree. Now, I think you are definitely right.
Anyhow, I think that loons (and air attack in general) are quite a trouble for early TH9. They require high level heroes imo.
I'm not sure what you are saying. I will reiterate, however, that hogs and/or loons should dominate your attack strategies if you are looking to 3* an enemy war base at TH9, both before and after the latest update. At no point did many legitimate 3* strategies exist without hogs or loons. If you disagree, please name one.
My fault (Writing in English is a trouble sometimes).
I'll try to explain what I was saying.
When I was an early th9, I tried to make some air attacks.
At that time my strategy was mainly a mass dragon. I just added in the castle clan some loons.
It worked as th8, and it did work (quite often) against other early (or rushed) th9.
Some time later, this kind of strategy didn't work (I started to find mid th9 as opponent in wars).
At that point, I tried to "evolve" to a lavaloon or to a queen pop.
Both of the new strategy didn't give me the same success rate (I got usually 2 star).
The main problem I found in those attacks was the low level of my heroes (10 BK, 10 AQ).
So I abandoned quite every air strategy and started practising ground attacks.
The first kind of ground attack that gave me great satisfaction was GoHog.
I really loved it.
The only problem was to find the position of the double giant bomb.
After some times, I started to find spread base more often.
So I tried to practice the other ground attack: valks (especially the "smith method").
I loved it too.
I used that two kind of attack type for quite all the time I was a Th9.
Only by the end, after upgrading the heroes over L20, I tried again the air attack.
At that time they (finally) worked fine.
It my last days as TH9, so I used that 3 combos (depending mainly on the defendant's village).
That's the reason why I say that air attacks are a trouble for early th9. I just think that ground attack (especially at the beginning are easier than air one's).
I quite never tried HGHB (note: we don't have yet someone in clan with L3 bowlers).
Let me say that I really appreciate this conversation.
I think that finding (and comparing) different opinions in the forum is a real benefit for everyone.
Golem up to lvl 4 , wiz up to lvl 6 , hogs then valks
I am following this order for war:-
Giants (for both war and farming)
Hogs
Healer ( before healer raise ur queen to atleast 10l
Balloons
Jump
Haste
Heal
Lava hound
Golem
Golem
Valks
Witch
Hogs first 1 level and then you can be effective in war
Valks so strong right now
Golem
all the others are less important
remember to keep pumping de into that queen!
We'll I'm a New th9 too i'll be following this order
Hogs 5
Heal lvl6
valks lvl 3&4
Golem lvl 3&4
Hogs and heal done and valks going on. you can work wonders with Goho after doing hogs and heals take along a max golem in cc and wreck bases :cool::cool: