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would it be fair for their th10s to match fully maxxed inferno th10s? and their non max offense th11s to match maxxed th11s?
No it wouldnt. Maybe arrange a war where offense and defense is equalized
On a side note, i hope the one man engineered clan I make gets wars like them. After two years of facing off with the best of the best against the best of the best, stomping newer players seems super fun lol
Absolutely!! I would take that war every time. But they wouldn't. They know they lack the skills to win a war like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SupremeCleave
I challenge you to find a single clan with a roster like them.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandalForce
Exactly, the chances of that are little to none. They are a unique one of a kind clan. Maybe visit them, see their lineups, start a thread asking for players with similiar bases to them to join for an arranged war.
They arent lacking skill (well they might but you cant really tell), they simply want to win every war and get a huge streak and they know that it is impossible without modding or an engineered lineup
The difference between you and UPH is that UPH (and SC) wants a match up where 2 clans with a similar strength/weight are matched, even though they may have an advantage (still to be debated after the October update) because their bases are more optimized (engineered).Quote:
Originally Posted by RandalForce
You, OTOH, are advocating for a pure mismatch to your advantage by matching your maxxed bases to their yet to be maxxer bases by matching by th levels. And I wonder which clan is advocating the abuse of the mm...
Lol im sorry but engineer clans will never get respected for what they achieve for obvious reasons. If u wanna engineer by all means go ahead as it is not illegal but if u wanna get respected....Lol good luck to that. Clashers get respected bc of skill or mannerisms not by manipulation or jaded numbers. Js shrug
False. I would take a matchup with IDENTICAL bases with any clan on the planet. It is the only way to determine clan superiority. All they have proven is they can arrange matchups with inferior noob clans. They would NEVER put their win streak on the line in what they knew was a fair war.Quote:
Originally Posted by topbtm
Lol do you think UPH cares about respect? I assume all they care is winning. The rest is just noise and scrub's talks about how to win with honor and skill. It is just different war philosophy that is all...and yours is not necessarily better, nor worst, than UPH.Quote:
Originally Posted by kimchilove
Valid point. Duly noted. But y even bother to bring up fact they show war log as if we all dont know how they procured their wins? Lol doesn't matter if engineers show log or not bc we all know how they won. Thats not confidence. That's just indifference no? Lol jsQuote:
Originally Posted by topbtm
It is a confidence, because by doing that any clan can do a hunting them, I know u will not do it, maybe does not have the spreadsheet skill, but many may do it, lol, and many people withhout anti engineering bias still do respect this kind of streakQuote:
Originally Posted by kimchilove
Lol come on man. Plz tell me u r joking. Hunt them? A engineer clan? ♥♥♥♥ stop it. Ok ill hunt them with my max th7 n 8s bc than I can match their weight. Ill challenge them if they want but they wont bc we would crush them. Js lol. N exactly how is it bias? They r simple stating facts. Reason y its so derogatory or demeaning in nature is bc they manipulate the system. Doesnt take a phd to realize all their wars r easy n if u think otherwise...lol. Im not saying what they r doing is illegal or wrong but it is certainly not fair which is the main problem. Now if winning is all that matters than cool do u but if u want respect for those wins n recognition for being "good" at wars....lol stop it my ribs hurt nowQuote:
Originally Posted by samratulangi
I need to apologize. I called people "stupid" and "idiots". While it's obvious that there have been several posts in this thread that are lacking in, uhhmmm, no I can't say that. I'll get in twubow. The posts were full of, errrr, no I can't say that either. I'll just go to bed with no snack. Where's my blanky?
I bet they never tried friendly wars or anyone of them because they have no skill and theyre base is rushed
I dont think any anti engineer will respect any good streak. They will just either call them engineered or modders (even though they may not be any).
What they fail to understand is that even with engineering , losses happen quite a bit. UPH is a different level of engineered. You cant just get a huge streak without engineering AND skill. Less skill than th10/11 wars? Ofcourse but if you do th10/11 wars you can never get a good streak.
Ive never seen a clan with a regular lineup (and no mods) get a triple digit streak. Its not possible.
dude... nobody cares about respect on an online game. Is that how kids these days earn respect from their peers nowadays? By not using strategy in strategy games?Quote:
Originally Posted by topbtm
This game is for fun and if UPH and other engineers are having fun... they are the winners. Idk about you but I play for fun and engineering is most certainly fun. You want hardcore stressful toxicity-ridden, elite wars? Join the TWC I was in for two years...
I c ur point but I disagree on few points. Minimal skill is needed. How hard is it for a th11 to three a th9 n 2/3 a th10(highly unlikely they c any max th10 for that matter but I can b wrong jusging by their roster) theres a reason y u wont c triple digit streak on reg lineups bc they actually get challenged . With that said u r right. As long as u r having fun doesnt matter but to think it will get respected or praised by most is far fetchedQuote:
Originally Posted by SupremeCleave
Notice thread isn't about "look how much amazing fun these guys are having wrecking inferior clans with their engineered lineup." The premise of the thread is that what this clan has done is an amazing achievement that deserves respect. It's not, and they don't. I'm sure they have had fun along the way patting each other on the back, congratulating each other on another amazing win against a clan where they all got to hit down 2 TH levels. But the achievement has nothing to do with the streak. It has to do with the work involved developing bases that will draw war matchups with a guaranteed outcome. No war skills were involved. No clutch last minute attacks were involved. These wars were decided before the cc's were filled. I'm sure they had fun, but this thread was not started to recognized the fun, but the "amazing streak". The streak is not amazing. The wins were not amazing. No one that is involved in actual wars, the kind that leave the outcome to the attacking skills of the participants, sees anything significant in what this clan has done.Quote:
Originally Posted by topbtm
I doubt they consistently face th9s every war. For sure they have had their fair share of tough wars and mismatches (much less than regular clans however). If you really want to gouge their skills, ask them for friendly challenges maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by kimchilove
I agree that in the wars shown in the picture, there is minimal skill involved. And there is also another reason you dont see triple digit streaks in regular lineups... They lack the skills as well. Once I see a regular lineup with a triple digit streak with th10/11s included, i will say they have "skill"
I would love to challenge them but im sure they will deny it lol. We only have maxed to near maxed th9-10-11 lol. It would b no contest as we would crush them easy. Kind of like the wars they playing. Sorry if that sounded harsh but fact of matter is its the truth. ShrugQuote:
Originally Posted by SupremeCleave
Friendly challenge not a friendly war. Just have their th10s hit your th10s by going to their clan perhaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by kimchilove
Im too lazy to do all that but to prove my point ill join u if u wanna challenge them. U jus make roster n ask for challenge lol. Ill bring over th10sQuote:
Originally Posted by SupremeCleave
Ok cool. Ill try to get their roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by kimchilove
Excellent. Sounds like fun. Btw fyi since u making rosterQuote:
Originally Posted by SupremeCleave
Th10: fully maxed
Th10: 28/27 heroes but max fernos n bows
Th10: 34/30, lv2 fernos n one lv less than max bows
Btw if they say some silly nonsense that only their engineered th11s r avail I also have max th11 ready to go
UPH last enemy is: #GR0GCC02 the clan is open to anyone can join. U can check roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by kimchilove
Ty but too lazy to wanna check plus I can guess their roster just from posts here lol. Not one highly ug th they have but multiple engineer bases. Am I right?Quote:
Originally Posted by topbtm
UPH has:
9.5 (35/40)@#1
max 9 @2
max 9 high heroes @3
A nearly max 8 @4
5 is a junk 11
6 is a defenseless 11 (23/22/20), their ace in the hole
~20 thru 40 are varying defenseless 4-9's
~7 thru 20 have some defenses sprinkled in on 4's, nothing of note
They matched against a 10 on top with no infernos, 2 9's, 1 8, then 7 and lower.
For those who think that the achievements of UPH is something extraordinary, I suggest you go watch their attacks on #1. Their #1 went first with a 1-star valk attack followed by the TH11 Max bowler attack that eeked out a 3 with warden, queen, golem and 2 bowlers left over.
I will refrain from vocalizing my judgement on said attacks but I will say that my opinion of their accomplishments has diminished from the previous minute level upon viewing their attacking skills. They have a nice formula for exploiting the MM to ensure that even sub-mediocre attacking gets them a win every time. Admire that if you will. When it comes down to the nuts and bolts of attacking skill, average would be an embellishment.
if this is true, i take what i said backQuote:
Originally Posted by HumptyGoblin
I'm not lying, however the opinions of their attacking skill may vary depending on perspective.
If I made a mistake in my reporting, it is accidental and inconsequential.
Prior to the update, they had all 100% destruction on their log, last 30 days they have multiple less than perfects in there.
Their opponent had 1 10, w/o infernos, 2 9's, an 8, then 7's and below. They were all real bases except for a defenseless 7 at 38 or 39.
That is why we have too may complaint thread here, because people just too lazy to check all the data before complaining, I did visit their last opponent clan, and their top base is also a 9.5 with 38-30 Heroes, troops is mixed TH9 and TH10, #2 spot is TH9 vs TH9, United PH has 30-30 heroes, so their top bases is very closely matched, and having a close score of 117-120.Quote:
Originally Posted by kimchilove
Yes United PH got advantage, by having TH11 Defenseless at #6 but on the paper the opponents should be able to tie United PH since they have TH10 offense but failed to 3* a 9.5
This clan has 19-8 war record, and in current war is leading by 112 point, so not a bad clan at all
So the matches they are getting now are fairer and less leaned towards the engineered side?Quote:
Originally Posted by HumptyGoblin
I only saw the results of this single war, I can't say how their matchups have been at any other time. I suspect that they have become closer matchups since the update based on war log results.Quote:
Originally Posted by SupremeCleave
I believe they will lose their streak because this few-good-ones-at-the-top with a-buncha-junk-at-the-bottom is the latest fad and eventually they will match a clan with more advanced attacking abilities and a little bit more equal of an opportunity.
It really isn't worth further discussion for me after seeing how idiotic it is from the inside. Good day people.
Regardless of how UPH manages their roster, good attacking players are needed to get the win.
They've been doing this pre March, post March and post October which points to another edge which is their ability to find a way to adapt and continue winning regardless of the MM conditions.
But, the real ace that they have would be a very good relationship with lady luck where no disadvantage or situation is insurmountable.
To the naysayers who brush this feat aside, I challenge you to put your clan in a position to win 200 straight, then report back here on how easy it is to do so.
I wish you all the luck. (You really, really, really need it.)
Plenty of truth in this post but after going into their last war and looking at the matchup and the top attacks, the best thing that UPH has going for it is solid engineering with no IT and a few xbows. And before anyone says but that is only one data point, look at the number of perfect wars in their log and that will tell you the what the matchups are like...Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmare77
And I am an engineer as well so hats off to them; I am copying one of their bases...
most of their wars are won by like 50-100 stars as the other clan simply doesn't fight. Sounds like a lot of high pressure high-TH level attacking going on over there at UPH :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmare77
you see, I tried to convince my clan to do just this. I told them all they needed to do was dump their TH8-TH10 accounts that they've been working on for a year or more and instead create 20 TH4 accounts to balance out one defenseless TH11 ringer (which I offered to gem), and a handful of TH9/10 minimax and engineered bases. Then, we sit there and don't progress (or barely progress) these bases for a year and half while getting a war in every 48 hours and we'll have some 'amazing' 200 win streak that no one outside a tiny subset of forum goers, who themselves represent a vanishingly small subset of all CoC players, would ever even be aware of.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmare77
Strangely, they didn't seem all that interested in sinking their next 18months into pursuing this endeavor, and they didn't seem to think it sounded particularly fun or engaging either. Something about jobs, and families, and school, and other mumbo-jumbo nonsense stuff. I can't figure out why the anonymous allure of this 'amazing' fear isn't something they're not chomping at the bit to get a piece of....
Notwithstanding the occasional mismatches that do occur, I don't think UPH gets all mismatches that's so bad that the other clan should give up. (I personally do not agree to giving up regardless of the chance of winning)Quote:
Originally Posted by nerfedname
Some clans may have been too intimidated to continue against a 200+ wins, no loss clan.....
My clan has faced a lot of these opponents who simply give up midway. I am still dumbfounded everytime this happens.
To each his own nerfedname. One man's pill may be another's poison.Quote:
Originally Posted by nerfedname
Still, to cast this aside as an insignificant feat (not from you) because a clan is unwilling to do it doesn't dilute the feat in my eyes.
Quite literally the most sarcasm that I think that I have ever seen from you...Quote:
Originally Posted by nerfedname
46/50 wars are perfect and six wars won by a margin of 5 stars or less...Supremely engineered!
This thread is the equivalent of lining up to congratulate a 200lb male adult that has beaten up a series of 12yr old children.
Perhaps there is skill in dodging other adult competitors week in and week out.... Just not in the fighting. Does it really matter how skilled the adult is, or say anything positive about him?
This is the only post in the entire thread you need to read. I just went and watched their attacks from last war. It's a joke. It's not a war. Th11's and 10's against a 9.5, 2 8.5's, the rest 8 and below. And this was their closest war in the last 50. No skill. No respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by nerfedname
They dont ask your respect, they do not even reply a single post to this thread, but they got my respect and other engineers on the discipline and roster managementQuote:
Originally Posted by RandalForce
Go ahead United PH, #6ayMartian and other engineered clans show them that you keep winning no matter what algorithm SC apply to Clan War, let the whiner keep whining louder
First, I am a well-known engineer (bases and clans) so I have no inherent bias against UPH (or any other engineering clan).Quote:
Originally Posted by samratulangi
Second, no one is "whining" on this thread by saying that there is nothing complicated about UPH's formula for success and I stated in an earlier post that "best thing that UPH has going for it is solid engineering with no IT and a few xbows." That isn't my opinion - it is a fact after reviewing their latest war, war log (46/50 wars are perfect and only six of those wars were won by a margin of 5 stars or less) and the WW and troops of every base. I don't think that any objective, clear-thinking person will dispute that...
Third, if UPH matched a similarly engineered clan (unlikely given the level and competence of their efforts), then we would know for sure exactly how good UPH really is and that is the point being made by several others here, including me...
Finally, while their post is well composed, they only have two complicated bases: the number 1 (9.5/71K) and the number 6 (defenseless 11/35K). The rest are simply two nearly maxed TH9's with the balance low WW and defenseless...
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by samratulangi
Respect or not doesn't matter.
We let other clans play the way they want, upgrade what they want. We expect the same.
If we get matched, so be it. If we are not, so be it as well.
My take on this is, over the course of 200+ wars, I find it hard to imagine that UPH didn't get a matchup that they were at a disadvantage. Sometime, the final score doesn't tell the whole story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denton
I can't argue with your logic and I have no idea of your clan composition or war size; we do 40 / 50v engineered wars and as we have upgraded our top bases, the perfect wars are a thing of the past. Our record is 48-2 in the past 50 wars so I have some direct experience in this area. The "whole story" in engineered wars is the better engineered clan wins. Is there luck involved - absolutely, just as there is skill but when your hits on the enemy's top bases are dips, not much skill is required...Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmare77
i luvs me some keyboard warriors
NO ONE NO CLAN was able to beat them in 200 wars i SAID 200 WARS not 20 not 50 not 100...it is TWO HUNDRED WARS
yet mediocre keyboard warriors from average clans diminsh their FEAT
lol:facepalm:
Lol not complaining. Simply stating facts. It might sound demeaning in nature but thats bc engineers manipulate the system to gain unfair advantage which is fine bc sc allows it. I personally like challenges so I wouldn't do that. U can make all the excuses u want to explain engineers r skilled but fact of matter is: if so skilled y do u need to manipulate war mm? HmmmQuote:
Originally Posted by samratulangi
It's like a professional athlete on a crappy team not really caring about the local pee wee team's undefeated season.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgreen
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Originally Posted by Taternader
Funny you talk about pee wee, but just by looking at UPH last war, its enemy is no pee wee. UPH top 4 bases were:
-1 Th10 weighted 71K with no IT
-2 TH9 maxxed
-1 TH8
-the rest is crappy TH7 and TH6
It enemy top 4 offenses were:
-1 Th10 offense with 30/39 heroes
-2 TH9 offense
-1 TH8
-the rest is crappy TH7 and TH6
Score ended 120-117, but it could have easily been a perfect score tie, if the enemy had more competent attackers. Enemy n1 with a TH10 offense failed to destroy a basically maxxed TH9 + it had 2 TH9 attacks available but failed to destroy one remaining th9.
Frankly, the haters are talking about manipulation and mismatch of UPH, but that match up was fair, and that was just one data point. I am pretty sure there were a few similar match ups or even wars where UPH had the disadvantage during their 200 wins streak, yet it remained standing.
orQuote:
Originally Posted by Taternader
just envy because his pee wee team sucked and his current professional team makes him very very frustrated...so he takes it on diminishing others :thumbsup:
Lol apparently someone is highly upset here. Guess hes a engineer too (which is fine btw). Breath in n out in short intervals. U going to blow out ur heart being so mad lol. We r simply discussing it here. If u think they r skilled, golf clap for u. To each is own. There r no right or wrong ways to play but there r fair n unfair ways to play. Do as u plz as long as its legal which it is. No need to get all huffy n puffy bout it lolQuote:
Originally Posted by topbtm
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Originally Posted by topbtm
Apparently, you either have selective memory or simply didn't bother to see that the enemy's number one was 3 starred by UPH's defenseless TH11 that sits at number 6 on the map. Here's the profile and base...Quote:
Originally Posted by redgreen
I have to wonder if either of you guys actually understand highly engineered clans or wars...
http://i.imgur.com/6FwA90T.png
http://i.imgur.com/SZ0p6B9.jpg
How many really good TH10 (or TH9 for that matter) attackers would you expect to find in a 50v war full of TH6s?Quote:
Originally Posted by topbtm
Lol wow didnt bother looking at their roster bc waste of time but after seeing that, how anyone can justify they r skilled...lol. I understand y its done tho. Some for respectable reasons( ex:intentionally lower weight to cover weaker members), others do it for easy wins. Thats y I say its neither right or wrong. Its their game but no good warrer will ever take engineers seriously let alone respect clans achievements. Sorry if fact is harsh but hey truth is truth. ShrugQuote:
Originally Posted by Denton
Also ask urself this: no "twc" will ever take engineers into war with them. Wonder y? Hint: bc they will b laughingstock of war community. With that said, doesnt matter what they think bc its just a game but that that was just an example of what few consider top warrers think. Js
Well, I am an engineer (roster and base) so I respect their engineering but we run 1 - 3 max TH11's at the top of our clan which changes the dynamic considerably...Quote:
Originally Posted by kimchilove
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Originally Posted by kimchilove
I know that I am not good enough to ever be in a "TWC" but then no one in my clans has ever been banned for modding...JS
Aaa ic. Gl to u n ur clan than.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denton
Lol being "good" enuff for a "twc" is insignificant as long as u r having fun n enjoying ur clan. If people value themselves based on what clan they r in need a reality check bc that doesnt matter. Just do u n have fun bc thats what games r suppose to b: funQuote:
Originally Posted by Denton
You could be good enough to be in the twc but have no desire using their methods.Quote:
Originally Posted by kimchilove
Agreed as some take game way too seriously for my taste. I know there r many players more than skilled enuff to b in a "twc". To me labeling urself a twc n who is determined to being a twc doesnt matter to me. I can care less. I dont place value n think im better than anyone else simply bc im in a twc (many do tho I know lol) its silly to think that way imo bc I realize this is just a game. Doesn't give u super powers or anything like that lol. I know too many gamers who think they hot stuff bc of a "game". Ffs its just a game. Not like u a pro athlete or actor. Thats y I lol at these game nerds who places importance/value simply bc they r good at a game but thats just me. Im ok at game but u dont c me go around strutting what I have n can do in a boastful manner. Lol thats y u wont c my achievements on profile, not be in a "famous clan", have social media, hop around clans so more can know bout me( im in a small clan thats not known at all btw lol. It used to b just me but openned it up so some friends can join but nothing special) but just like this game, thats just me n everyone is different. Either way enjoy clashing n gl all =)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWarDictator
no they dont take engineered bases because they are a liability in them. Some dont like them them but its mianly for that reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by kimchilove
(i am a former member of a twc for two years as well)
and this is saying nothing about the ramapant modding...
Aaa ic ty for correctionQuote:
Originally Posted by SupremeCleave
more details... they are a liability because guys at the TWC are a) insane attackers b) primarily th11 c) many are moddersQuote:
Originally Posted by kimchilove
Lol ic. Either way guess ur attempt at challenging them was a no go? I figured they would decline bc as I said before, I would crush em. Its game mechanics. I dont need to nor want to make intentionally low weight bases unless I have to help less experienced players so they can take low bases while I take theirs even tho my weight is lower than em (only one acct im intentionally making a 8.5 so she can take my targets till she gets comfy)Quote:
Originally Posted by SupremeCleave
Love how you left out UPH's #1 also didn't 3 star (got 1 star) their #1 which is a 10 with no infernos and had to get their crutch 11 to come in and save the day. 11 barely got the 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by topbtm
After watching their attacks, they will lose to inferno towers and a good attacker sooner or later. They don't have skill, they have a handicap is all.
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Originally Posted by Prutser
There is a lot of skilled required for a th11 with weak-ish heroes to 3* a max th10 with a quality base layout. Not that they ever run into those I'm sure, but still.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandalForce
I saw that th11 hiding around th8 at n6. This does not impact my point that it was not a mismatch as both clans can get a perfect score.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denton
As for understanding engineering clans, sure I have an idea what they do. But I above all, I do understand the match making - certainly enough to know they are a liability in war.
TWC? You call that impressive? Bunch of modders...I would be ashamed to be associated with any of them. But you are right, engineered bases are not welcomed there because these bases are a liability and it has nothing to do because of lack of skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by kimchilove
Agree. That n1 attack was bad, UPH would have lost its ws if enemy had better attackers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenchafer
Lol when did I ever say its impressive? Think ur self defensive ways clouding ur ability to interpret messages. N if u think they skillful, y hide behind intentional low weight bases? 1+1=2 my friend not 3Quote:
Originally Posted by topbtm
They are engineers.Quote:
Originally Posted by CanadianLegend
When one clan can get a perfect score with its eyes closed and the other has to be perfect, that is a mismatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by topbtm
That's funny. Apparently nothing to do with the shame and ridicule a TWC clan would encounter trying to cheat on matchups. The idea is an even matchup based on skill and not roster engineering. Alternate universe here. On one side the war is fought attacking bases, on the other it's a fight against the matchmaking system. The latter seems cowardly and boring to me but have at it until SC nerfs you harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by topbtm
THAT DEFENSELESS TH11 3-STARRED THE ENEMY 1 BECAUSE UPH'S TH9.5 COULDN'T EVEN GET 2 STARS...Quote:
Originally Posted by topbtm
THAT IS THE ESSENCE OF UPH'S ABILITY TO WIN WARS AND MAINTAIN THE STREAK! :facepalm:
I always laugh when maxxers say that engineering is "cowardly". Thats like saying "as a TH9 I refuse to dip on a TH8 to win the war, because it is cowardly and boring."
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Originally Posted by Mogey276
Really is hard to think of a better word. Attempting to avoid a fair fight is like an adult beating a child..it fits. I notice the point that engi's fight wars against matchmaking and not opponents wasn't disputed.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonHN
What makes me laugh is terming the vast majority of the CoC community 'maxxers' in an effort to legitimize your fringe strategy. These forums have a loud minority of engi's that in no way reflects the larger community. The numbers will catch up and SC will make it even less rewarding to cheat within the current rule loopholes...they are slow but already has started.
Adult beating up child?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mogey276
More like a dude trying to have fun in a game with less skill needed.
Would you dip on a lower townhall to win a war? Would you consider this cowardly or boring?
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Originally Posted by Mogey276
Lol using word cheating is a bit far fetched but cowardly sounds about right but member everyone has diff ideas of fun. Some dont care about being challenged. They just wanna win n thats fine bc they playing by the rules. To each is ownQuote:
Originally Posted by Mogey276
If you are winning wars for your clan by building account having high offense and bashing th9, th10 to win wars, it isn't a braggable thing, Arrange a war with any war clan based on ur offence, i would love to see the scoreline at the end of it. #EPIC
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Originally Posted by Mogey276
Yeah alternative univers of course, since engineering clans are still playing while modders from twc are banned.
If the vast majority are maxxers, why do we hear all those maxxers complaining that engineered clans are all over the place and are destroying the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mogey276
Impressive but as they have defenceless bases I think it is less impressive. I'd give more credit to them if they weren't purposely trying to manipulate the matchup
you wouldnt even have to give them credit because such a streak is impossible for normal rostersQuote:
Originally Posted by ajayrayit
So these guys make less XP on average from winning a 40v war than my clan gets from LOSING a 20 man war......
And whilst XP is a meaningless number once your clan hits lv10, the last update changed XP available per base to reflect its defensive difficulty
Says all I need to know about how difficult their wars are or the purported attacking 'skill' levels that they have, as pushed by some on this thread
They might well have some skilled attackers, but choosing to war such lowly opponents every war, Im 99% sure that they'd fail to stand out against the guys in my somewhat above-average clan
Not exactly sure what we are supposed to be impressed about.
They can keep playing the matchmaker, I will keep playing the actual game
I love how people think having defenseless bases in your clan equals you're automatically going to win every single war outright indefinitely for 200+ wars. Anyone saying this win streak is not impressive have no clue what they are talking about. I have a really engineered TH10 and for a while I had it in a really engineered clan. We had lots of low level th's and defenseless accounts, and, yes, we were trying to game the system by skewing the matchmaking in our favor to put together one of these crazy win steaks. I think the highest we ever got was 30something before we would inevitably match a clan with a max TH10 or 11 up top and that'd be it, we couldn't 3 star their #1 and they would run a train on all our defenseless and .5 bases. In the 122 wars we did before we finally abandoned the idea and all went our separate ways we lost 12 wars, so going 213 straight is absolutely a feat that should impress anyone.
I hope they are happy doing this no more excitement and thrill in clan wars they made the a game a daily choir for them.
Juvi, only people did the engineering base in real engineered clans understand it, maxer or partly engineer always think engineered got easy win ALL THE TIME, they always saying things they don't understandQuote:
Originally Posted by juvi1624
A Maxer staying and warring in maxer clans will never know anything about the other side, where most of engineers usually were maxers before started engineering
So probably Maxing is Primary school, .5 is Junior high school, minimax and defenseless is senior high school and a full blown Engineered clans is the university, lol(of course from engineers view)
in Maxer Clans, the university is probably TWC, CWL etc, lol
People claiming engineered clans are having it easy, especially since the October update, obviously know little about engineering itself, and/or about weight and how mm works.Quote:
Originally Posted by samratulangi
I think your being a little unfair to Maxers (I'm one btw). There's a huge historic library on these very forums about engineering. Some posts are written by very knowledgeable engineers, many by not so.Quote:
Originally Posted by samratulangi
Many Maxers (myself included) do not think engineered clans get easy wins 'ALL THE TIME' at all. Of course there are great examples of very successful engineered clans, United PH, being one.
From my experience here, I would suggest that for every successful engineered clan, there are just as many, if not more, unsuccessful ones.
Some very successful engineers have recently quit (including some prominent forum members).
Perhaps they did go to your University.... but they just didn't complete the course!:)
Skrags, I know you have more neutral view then most people here, I myself can understand the maxer view, because i was doing it for a while, and it also can be fun, and both maxer and engineers really has valid point in their comments and play style, but what i dont like is maxer that just judging any engineer clan with their views.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skrags
and yes, for 1 succesfull engineer clan, there are maybe more then 10 failed engineers clans, i met a lot of them.
cheers
Why is their streak 171 but they have 213 wins 0 losses 0 ties????
becauseQuote:
Originally Posted by MDG4
you didn't do your homework
clan exists and wins before WS was introduced and even when WS was introduced it did not count all previous WS just to a max of 50 i believe
http://i.imgur.com/jOWuV0I.jpg
Engineering clan be like. Im telling you its not hard but its crazy.
Absolutely, I've seen many such posts myself (from maxers), and yes, I would be the first to correct them where necessary. My neutrality comes purely from the education supplied by this forum. Over time you come to appreciate the opinions and views of others, even if they play the game slightly differently from yourself!Quote:
Originally Posted by samratulangi
All good!:thumbsup:
I think that is also one of the ways they keep winning. You see, in clan wars, you have this thing called offensive and defensive weight. Your place in wars are defined by your defensive weight. A town hall 10 having no inferno towers is a smart way to reduce defensive weight and have lower opponents in war which ultimately results in easier wins. But, this is just a theory about the reason they dont have inferno towers. The war weight is completely tested and proved true. Your welcome
So, my clan has a trio of TH10 bases, one with max infernos, two without any infernos. The two without are much better attackers, and regularly do well against bases that have infernos, whereas the guy with them is usually lucky to barely get 2 stars against such a base (and is not a lot better against TH10 bases without them). I'd call him the clan poster child for not building defenses you can't beat if you want to be in war. Taking him to war generally puts us at a disadvantage compared to leaving him at home. I would freely admit to trying to manipulate the matchup by leaving him out as often as possible; can you tell me a good reason why I should feel bad about doing so? We have a long history of such manipulation: those two good attackers used to be very weak attackers, and we lost a lot of wars when they were at the top of the roster before we spotted the pattern, and they decided to bench themselves for the good of the clan and eat their Wheaties. Am I acting unfairly by manipulating the matchmaking like this? I observed the results of our wars, spotted a pattern, and acted on it to improve our results. I'm not sure I see a bright line anywhere between "good" manipulation and "bad" manipulation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajayrayit
No you arent acting unfairly as you are well within your rights to do whatever you want with your clan...Quote:
Originally Posted by whp4
I could counter that with a question of my own, Do you think that you might be attaching too much importance to a mobile game with no tangible reward, such that the enjoyment / participation of others is secondary to achieving what is ultimately a pretty meaningless 'victory'?
Im a right barrel of laughs this morning
0/10Quote:
Originally Posted by ratpack2000
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Really well said with lots of nuance. We are all engineering someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by whp4
10% of enemies in my wars are decent attackersQuote:
Originally Posted by samratulangi
10% of engineered clans we met are decent attackers
10% of maxxer clans we met are decent attackers...
See the pattern here? That is why I laugh when people say engineers have no skill, which is partly true. Yet, I can say the same for maxxer clans, or any clan for that matter...
Truth ^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by topbtm
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