29% Defenses...can we do something about this?

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Originally Posted by Pluribus

I appreciate everyone telling me where I "should be" as a TH9. The fact is I am in Crystal I and still getting 29% Defenses. Supercell has said defense is just as important as offense. I'm thinking that my Defenses are about as good as it can get since I Defend just about half of my attackers, yet I'm losing more resources by having to defend twice to get a shield. That is the broken part.

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Exactly my point. It's about the system that needs fixing, not about which league you are at. They should auto arm all traps and bombs at no cost with every successful defence.

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Originally Posted by Pluribus

I appreciate everyone telling me where I "should be" as a TH9. The fact is I am in Crystal I and still getting 29% Defenses. Supercell has said defense is just as important as offense. I'm thinking that my Defenses are about as good as it can get since I Defend just about half of my attackers, yet I'm losing more resources by having to defend twice to get a shield. That is the broken part.

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You can also attack twice and recover the loot you lost easily. That's the trade-off. Don't have the time to do high-volume attacks? Move to a higher league. Pretty simple.

Would love to find you base. What a great gob knife target. Yes I'll take a bunch of loot and score in the low 20s % wise. All of your losses are trying to tell you your base design is not good. I'm a 9.5 and stay at crystal 1-2 so your league is appropriate.

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Originally Posted by Pluribus

I appreciate everyone telling me where I "should be" as a TH9. The fact is I am in Crystal I and still getting 29% Defenses. Supercell has said defense is just as important as offense. I'm thinking that my Defenses are about as good as it can get since I Defend just about half of my attackers, yet I'm losing more resources by having to defend twice to get a shield. That is the broken part.

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It seems no one noticed what I said back on page 2...

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Originally Posted by nerfedname

What MysteriousR said. I think the layout you're employing really lends itself to the 29% attack because it has everything of value lumped on one side of the base (e.g., the top) and all the trash lumped on the other side. Everyone comes from the top, and even if they fail (or use goblin knife) they'll get a bunch of your stuff without having to do a lot of % destruction to get it.

I'd consider reorganizing your layout to spread things around a bit, and use some of the trash buildings in your base to force percentage (i.e., make the queenwalk kill a bunch of collectors and barracks before they even get to the defenses, etc.). Also, don't waste the walls encircling your TH, just about anybody that gets that far into your base will have killed all your defenses anyway, and thus the walls do nothing.

I think just with a revamped base design alone, you'd be able to exist quite comfortably where you are league-wise while still avoiding the dreaded 29% attacks :thumbsup:

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although someone else noticed the layout...

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Originally Posted by 4wynds

Would love to find you base. What a great gob knife target. Yes I'll take a bunch of loot and score in the low 20s % wise. All of your losses are trying to tell you your base design is not good. I'm a 9.5 and stay at crystal 1-2 so your league is appropriate.

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Your 29% problem is ENTIRELY due to your base layout, and nothing else. It has nothing to do with league (crystal is fine for a TH9), it has nothing to do with a broken shield system (shield system is fine, the threshold for a shield was LOWERED with TH11 update). You get 29% attacks because of your base layout, and only because of your base layout.

Every attacker is strongly encouraged to attack at the top (it's where all your loot is, and NONE of your trash building). One jump across the left or right wiz tower, and a horde of goblins has access to ALL your gold and elixir. A 2nd jump across DE storage and that goblin horde has access to your DE tank AND Townhall!!

Strongly reconsider your base design. The moated walls along the bottom do nothing, as no one will come from that direction (all your defenses are up top too). The walls around the TH do nothing, any attacker that penetrates the base that deeply will have already killed all your defenses and will be unhindered to take the rest of the base. All 8 of your G/E storages are inside a single vault compartment (that's only two wall layers to crack into), you have 2 unused teslas along the bottom, and an air sweeper pointing the wrong way that does nothing to slow a queenwalk from the top, which again is where everyone attacks from (I can't seem to find the 2nd sweeper in your layout).

Break the base up a bit. Have your storages spread throughout multiple compartments. Use your air sweepers to push back healers from likely queenwalk directions. Encircle your base with the "trash" buildings (e.g., collectors, barracks, camps, huts, etc.) to force players to kill extra percentage to either funnel, or get their attacking force inside the base. If you fix your base layout, your 29% problem will stop over night entirely.

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Originally Posted by nerfedname

It seems no one noticed what I said back on page 2...

although someone else noticed the layout...


Your 29% problem is ENTIRELY due to your base layout, and nothing else. It has nothing to do with league (crystal is fine for a TH9), it has nothing to do with a broken shield system (shield system is fine, the threshold for a shield was LOWERED with TH11 update). You get 29% attacks because of your base layout, and only because of your base layout.

Every attacker is strongly encouraged to attack at the top (it's where all your loot is, and NONE of your trash building). One jump across the left or right wiz tower, and a horde of goblins has access to ALL your gold and elixir. A 2nd jump across DE storage and that goblin horde has access to your DE tank AND Townhall!!

Strongly reconsider your base design. The moated walls along the bottom do nothing, as no one will come from that direction (all your defenses are up top too). The walls around the TH do nothing, any attacker that penetrates the base that deeply will have already killed all your defenses and will be unhindered to take the rest of the base. All 8 of your G/E storages are inside a single vault compartment (that's only two wall layers to crack into), you have 2 unused teslas along the bottom, and an air sweeper pointing the wrong way that does nothing to slow a queenwalk from the top, which again is where everyone attacks from (I can't seem to find the 2nd sweeper in your layout).

Break the base up a bit. Have your storages spread throughout multiple compartments. Use your air sweepers to push back healers from likely queenwalk directions. Encircle your base with the "trash" buildings (e.g., collectors, barracks, camps, huts, etc.) to force players to kill extra percentage to either funnel, or get their attacking force inside the base. If you fix your base layout, your 29% problem will stop over night entirely.

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I'm not disputing that my layout encourages attacks that I end up defending at 29% . My problem is the fact that the shield system is terribly flawed if someone deploys an entire army, I Defend and then I get punished by only getting a guard, all my traps are tripped and then 30 min later someone else gets to attack a trap-less base. The amount destroyed should have no bearing on if I don't get a shield. It should be based entirely on how large an army is defeated. I've defended armies that only got 10% destruction because they patched all the way around my base. I get punished for the attacker's incompetence in attacking? The system is already in place to prevent th sniping with heroes to not award a shield. As was mentioned no shield is awarded if less than 33% of an army is sent that makes sense. The current 29% system makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Pluribus

I'm not disputing that my layout encourages attacks that I end up defending at 29% . My problem is the fact that the shield system is terribly flawed if someone deploys an entire army, I Defend and then I get punished by only getting a guard, all my traps are tripped and then 30 min later someone else gets to attack a trap-less base. The amount destroyed should have no bearing on if I don't get a shield. It should be based entirely on how large an army is defeated. I've defended armies that only got 10% destruction because they patched all the way around my base. I get punished for the attacker's incompetence in attacking? The system is already in place to prevent th sniping with heroes to not award a shield. As was mentioned no shield is awarded if less than 33% of an army is sent that makes sense. The current 29% system makes no sense.

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nah its not flawed. youre not getting punished. your gaining trophies and losing minimal loot. expected with every defense

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Originally Posted by TheFallenDragon

nah its not flawed. youre not getting punished. your gaining trophies and losing minimal loot. expected with every defense

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Yes it is and yes he is.

He gets punished because his traps are gone and the next guy can walk all over him.

Yes, he gets trophys and loses minimal loot on the first raid. But what about the next one?

Basically, SC is saying, don't ever go longer than 30 minutes without logging on to rearm your traps.

But OP, this is the way the game is so I'd take some of the suggestions here about changing your layout and cup range because I've seen complaints about this for years and SC will never do anything about it.

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Originally Posted by Smalls

Yes it is and yes he is.

He gets punished because his traps are gone and the next guy can walk all over him.

Yes, he gets trophys and loses minimal loot on the first raid. But what about the next one?

Basically, SC is saying, don't ever go longer than 30 minutes without logging on to rearm your traps.

But OP, this is the way the game is so I'd take some of the suggestions here about changing your layout and cup range because I've seen complaints about this for years and SC will never do anything about it.

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how often does 29% have? if its happening more than just an unusual occasion, its your base. Period.

also this change hasnt been here for years and sc wont do anything about it because they shouldnt and its relatively minor

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Originally Posted by TheFallenDragon

how often does 29% have? if its happening more than just an unusual occasion, its your base. Period.

also this change hasnt been here for years and sc wont do anything about it because they shouldnt and its relatively minor

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This is 6 consecutive attacks on me that occurred two days ago. All of them were full armies. The latest one is a perfect example of my not getting a shield and then 30 minutes later getting rolled by someone else.

http://i66.tinypic.com/2cngk1k.png

The 30% requirement is just to ensure there will be more bases available to be attacked. It's probably derived from data mined stats where that is the most efficient cut off point. If it was any lesser too many bases may be taken out of search and if any more then too hard to get a shield.