What happened to war matchmaking???

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Originally Posted by blombardo

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My boat is sinking! Help! ther's a hole in my boat!!!


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Just make the whole bigger!


==Many players are not capable of getting 3 stars right now - on mirror - below mirror and suggesting to them - Hey- add more defenses-- make your wars HARDER.. That will ... help?

No that will not help...

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It very well could help to add some Eagles and Infernos to bases in Cnaf's clan. The current problem they are encountering is the enemy clans consistently outgun them on the defensive side of the equation; the Demigod bases can be 3*d more easily than the enemy clans bases, putting cnaf's side at a disadvantage.
They're already pulling maxed out TH11s and TH10s, they can't pull any higher (TH12 hasn't come out yet), so making THEIR OWN bases harder to 3* could very well help them.

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Originally Posted by blombardo

Dont build eagles... Dont upgrade anything -- heck this whole game is a mess right now and needs fixed... anything we do to our accounts today- to try and' guess' the fix -- may end up hurting us a lot...

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I disagree that the games a mess right now. My clans doesn't seem to be encountering this "strongly outgunned on the defensive side of the ledger" problem that others are having, but then again, we're not an engineered clan.

Furthermore, if one wants to be essentially immune to the whims and changes that routinely occur with clanwar matchmaking, one can always just build a balanced base that both attacks and defends at it's TH appropriate level.

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Originally Posted by blombardo

The only solution for players in clans having a hard time on top -- is to bring in brand new day 1 town hall 3 normal players and stack your war with as many of them as you can find. They will cancel each other out - and bring the difficulty level on top down a bit to help compensate.

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Or, alternatively, one can just forego engineering altogether, build balanced bases, get matched against other balanced clans, and beat them by.. you know... actually being better at the attacking and defending part of the game than them. Just a thought :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by cnaf

Doubtful. The fear then, and main reason I've always progressed every TH level with emphasis on offense maxing before defense maxing- is those 6 maxed TH11s would then pair against 10 or 11 on the other side.

Would be another example of roster engineering being the way to go. It's happened as a TH8, as a TH9, and now as a TH10. End up pairing with a clan that is heavier weighted overall than you in the top half of the map, and achieves that by lowering overall weight in the bottom portion.

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A valid concern to be sure, but I also wonder if balancing out your clan a bit such that half your roster isn't maxed offense 0.5s (e.g., 40/40/20 TH11's with 3 xbows and no EA, as well as 9.5s without infernos, etc.) could get you guys away from matchups that roster engineering entirely.

You guys certainly aren't engineered to the extent that Blombardo's clan is, or #6M, or the now defunct Winterfell Gods (strange how it only took the announcement of 14 day clan war bans for them to fold up, what a coincidence :smirk:), but your clan is decidedly non-balanced with such a reliance on 0.5s. Supercell seems to have targeted 0.5s with their most recent matchmaking changes, I doubt your clan satisfies the "balanced bases" checkbox criteria that goes into war matching, and likely leaves you far more open to getting heavily roster engineered clans as an opponent than say Skrags clan or my own.

I wouldn't expect you guys to start plopping all the defenses just yet, it's an irreversible experiment and therefore probably prudent to wait until more info has been gathered on the current matchmaking, but it's definitely a thought I've had when I see you post the breakdowns of your post-update war matches.

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Originally Posted by blombardo

And yes -- Roster engineering - MUST - be used by ALL clans now to try and remedy the awful changes to the game... Clans all across the board are all suffering now - not just a few....

Town hall 3 players will be in high demand for the next few days/wees/months etc...

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Not really. The changes to matchmaking and the game weren't all that awful to be honest; if it's squeezing clans like yours that's awesome and will please the vast majority of the player base.

And again, a clan doesn't HAVE to roster engineer to be successful. They can just simply stay balanced, not become overly reliant on engineered accounts and rosters, earn a mark in the "balanced bases" checkbox of matchmaking, and more often than not end up facing clans similar to their own..

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Originally Posted by blombardo

♥♥♥♥...

My boat is sinking! Help! ther's a hole in my boat!!!


-- your answer -

Just make the whole bigger!


==Many players are not capable of getting 3 stars right now - on mirror - below mirror and suggesting to them - Hey- add more defenses-- make your wars HARDER.. That will ... help?

No that will not help...

Dont build eagles... Dont upgrade anything -- heck this whole game is a mess right now and needs fixed... anything we do to our accounts today- to try and' guess' the fix -- may end up hurting us a lot...

I've seen players with 15/15 heroes getting matched up against TH10 and 11's with MAX heroes... - They cant defend... -- if they built eagles and other heavy things -- and next week supercell fixes the matchmaking system...

How long will it take that 15/15 player go get up to 40/40/20 so that they can =properly - handle the eagles they will see in a correct war?


No... the solution is in supercells hands... Fix it.. while all us players just suffer...

Everything that follows is GUESSWORK - nothing more:

When they made miners -- they were great.. I rushed ALL my acounts to 10 - and got level 2 miners - and i was op in war... I was able to skip every other possible research and do miners and only miners (with spells) and win every time... -supercell obviously hated this fact and now -- miners are useless junk... The fact that I have them on all my accounts -- now - means that I get harder wars for having an 'end game troop' -- (a useless one) -- the fact that all the other research levels on my accounts are superficially LOW probably doesnt have much to do with anything... the simple facts according to the new matchmaking system is this

-clan has 20 accounts with MAX miners in it... so lets give them hard wars!!! max th9 and th0's with infernos all over the top...

(doesnt matter if those accoutns all have low/ or no defense.. doesnt matter if all other core research was skipped...) just matters that supercell tweaked some numbers - and messed everything up...

The miners were great for 6 months... then nerfed hard... -- Without supercell actually TELLNG us what they want this game to be like - without actual suggested upgrade paths -- the only thing you can tell any player is to follow a semi normal .5 upgrade path and cross your fingers. upgrade slow... and expect to never 3 star again because the game - in its current state (for th9 10 and 11) is too challenging for most.

The only solution for players in clans having a hard time on top -- is to bring in brand new day 1 town hall 3 normal players and stack your war with as many of them as you can find. They will cancel each other out - and bring the difficulty level on top down a bit to help compensate.

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I don't know... Some people are actually good at this game and might find it easier to win wars when their own bases aren't getting 3 starred.

Matchmaking is seriously messed. We are constantly getting out matched. Our current war our opponents have 3 extra th11s. We have 11, they have 14, OK, so we have no th9s and they have 2, but in a 20v20 war 3 extra 11s is a huge advantage.
Surely the matchmaking should be sorting this out.

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Originally Posted by Bigtone2001

Matchmaking is seriously messed. We are constantly getting out matched. Our current war our opponents have 3 extra th11s. We have 11, they have 14, OK, so we have no th9s and they have 2, but in a 20v20 war 3 extra 11s is a huge advantage.
Surely the matchmaking should be sorting this out.

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I think your expectations may be a little bit high for matchmaking. You are at a disadvantage, make no mistake, (at least on paper without further investigation) but geez, you're just not going to find clans with the exact configuration as yours. To me that's close enough. W/o seeing th11 levels as a caveat of course.

We have had wars where the other clan has had more 11s than us and I still felt like we had a huge advantage going in. Hero levels matter more than anything else.

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Originally Posted by blombardo

I'll be visiting the improv nearest you in a few weeks.. be sure to order your tickets from tickets from ticketmaster...

Happy to entertain.

And yes -- Roster engineering - MUST - be used by ALL clans now to try and remedy the awful changes to the game... Clans all across the board are all suffering now - not just a few....

Town hall 3 players will be in high demand for the next few days/wees/months etc...

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My clan doesn't roster engineer. We get fair matchups consistently. Our (1-2) TH9.5s have the offence to take on the full TH10s we "pull" and it generally leads to slightly defensively weaker opponents lower down, which is good as our mid-range TH9s aren't the greatest of attackers.

And I take it you've not been reading the sticky on the new FP initiative - a lot of overreacting from "leaders" who are already kicking TH3s from their clans....

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Originally Posted by Bigtone2001

Matchmaking is seriously messed. We are constantly getting out matched. Our current war our opponents have 3 extra th11s. We have 11, they have 14, OK, so we have no th9s and they have 2, but in a 20v20 war 3 extra 11s is a huge advantage.
Surely the matchmaking should be sorting this out.

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♥♥♥♥ you think thats bad? im willing to bet some of their th11s have less defenses or are weaker than yours.

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Originally Posted by blombardo

Since supercell nerfed so many troops - its almost impossible for any town hall 10 or 11 to earn 100% in a war - I've visited a couple more clans in the past day and am seeing nothing but 1 and 2 star attacks in all those places where before I saw nothing but perfects... (Impregnability clan war history for example is struggling); which is rare cause they -historically- would almost always get amazing war performances every time... Now - both sides of their wars are looking bad.

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With as much experience as you have in the game, you would be regularly getting 3* on mid th10's and be a threat on a high th10 with max th10 troops of your own (and 40/40 heroes ofc) if you had practiced using something other than miners on dips. Bowlers, valks, air...there are many strategies that can be effective these days, but they're much tougher to use now.

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Originally Posted by nerfedname

You guys certainly aren't engineered to the extent that Blombardo's clan is, or #6M, or the now defunct Winterfell Gods (strange how it only took the announcement of 14 day clan war bans for them to fold up, what a coincidence :smirk:), but your clan is decidedly non-balanced with such a reliance on 0.5s. Supercell seems to have targeted 0.5s with their most recent matchmaking changes, I doubt your clan satisfies the "balanced bases" checkbox criteria that goes into war matching, and likely leaves you far more open to getting heavily roster engineered clans as an opponent than say Skrags clan or my own.

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Come on now, you are actually lumping Blombardo's clan with #6M...?!! Do you even see one defenseless or x.5 base in #6M? Don't think so. Or have you even check both clan's record? There is no comparison here.

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Originally Posted by blombardo

The only solution for players in clans having a hard time on top -- is to bring in brand new day 1 town hall 3 normal players and stack your war with as many of them as you can find. They will cancel each other out - and bring the difficulty level on top down a bit to help compensate.

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These don't appear to be the words of somebody looking for a fair fight, you just want a laugher of a "war" every couple of days.

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Originally Posted by blombardo

I'll be visiting the improv nearest you in a few weeks.. be sure to order your tickets from tickets from ticketmaster...

Happy to entertain.

And yes -- Roster engineering - MUST - be used by ALL clans now to try and remedy the awful changes to the game... Clans all across the board are all suffering now - not just a few....

Town hall 3 players will be in high demand for the next few days/wees/months etc...

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My 15v15/20v20 clan never goes below th8, and often is just th9/10. Vast majority of our wars are fair and can be won by either side with superior attacking skill/plan. Our last opponent had 1 less th10 but had a good 11 on top, but we still won. Our current opponent has 2 th 11's on top to our 0, both of their 11's have good offense though 1 of them has rushed defense, this one will be interesting for sure but I'm optimistic.

My 50v50 clan rarely goes below th7, 50% of our wars are fair, and the other 50% have a big advantage for one side or the other (roughly even split between advantage and disadvantage).

Shouldn't you say that all clans that want to win the war beforehand using their excel spreadsheet should follow your advice? For those of us looking for fun and competitive wars, the current landscape is preferable to the old one.