Army Training Revamp & Quick Train

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Originally Posted by 19Dovahkiin25

Well, they’ve indicated that:

> Training single troops is MUCH faster (3 minute Dragons!)
[take note of “SINGLE”]

> Full-army training times should be roughly similar to before
[“ROUGHLY SIMILAR,” we don’t exactly know whether that’s faster or slower than the current rate.]

In the vid it seems that troops are training like light speed, BUT NO. Watch again and notice that…

“SIMULTANEOUS TRAINING ACROSS ALL 4 BARRACKS OR 2 DBARRACKS ARE GONE AND EVERYTHING FALLS UNDER A SINGLE UNIVERSAL TRAINING QUEUE.”

To make it vivid, after 20 sec you will never again see 4 Barbs roll out from EACH of the 4 Barracks ALL AT ONCE. They’ll come out one by one but faster (5 sec each) but, still, it took 20 sec to train all of ‘em.

That’s why they are saying roughly similar to before (looks like light speed but only an illusion).

Thus, the “need to boost” would be roughly similar to before as well.

It’s just that when we boost on this new update, we’re buying the whole package (which costs SIGNIFICANTLY MORE) than buying only what we need (individual bldgs boost).

Beyond that Boost Cost issue, everything else is awesome BTW.

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Not all is awesome.

1. There needs to be separate tabs for Elixir Troops and Dark Troops, or cook times need to be reduced further to 1/6 of current times. As introduced total army cook times will take longer for armies consisting of both elixir and dark troops. (As an example, dragon is going from 15 mins to 3 mins for max barracks. However, the new system consolidates SIX barracks, including dark. If six barracks worked together on a dragon it should only take 2 minutes 30 seconds.)

2. Hero boost button needs to be added next to the barracks boost button on the summary page. It looks like they left hero boosting to the altars.

3. Boosting should at most be packaged into elixir troops, dark troops, and spells. All troops as one boost stinks.

4. Quick Train needs to be "smart." If I use my army and have 3 WB and a wizard left over, then I click one of my quick train options, it should brew everything EXCEPT 3 WB and 1 Wizard. As introduced it would begin brewing a whole army and I'd end up with too many WB.

Hero boost and barrack boosts are done 'per object', the same as its done now. You decide how much of a boost you want for your troops (as you have 4 E and 2 DE to choose from) - 25%, 50%, 75% or 100% for E and 50% or 100% boost to DE troops.

It sounds great to me.

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Originally Posted by Godsmoker

I think the biggest beef about this new army interface is that the flexibility of troop training has basically been hamstrung.

Since we're probably not going to get any relief in the smaller gem-boost department, I think that a sensible compromise (which I believe would be within the spirit of the new method) is to allow one "simultaneous" slot for each barracks type you have built.

The first single troop of the elixir type would be queued in the first available slot, and each subsequent one would get it's own cozy spot until you reach the max # of barracks. After which they would be queued as shown in the mock-up below. Swap and drop as needed like shown in the video.

Same should be true for spells (1 slot each).

(ignore multipliers in the highlighted slots... troops would be x1)
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k6...ps3nqpd5bl.png


The "give back" on this might be to increase training times accordingly so that they are relatively the same (although I think they should remain as planned for the update lol), and this will allow folks to have greater training flexibility while keeping the "linear" approach and forcing us to "gem 'em all" if we want to boost.

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In the U.S. you typically see three types of check out lines at stores:
1. Multiple check-outs and each one has its own line.
2. Multiple check-outs with one line. When you get to the front you go to the next open check-out.
3. One check-out with one line.

Right now barracks operate as #1. SC has proposed changing it to #3, but speeding it up so that you get through about as fast as you would under #1. I propose that they go with #2. Have a single queue with the same brewing times as they have right now (except you can go ahead and have the times vary based on barracks upgrades), but you cook multiple troops at the same time based on the number of available barracks. Then you can boost one or two or all from there.

Ahhrgh but new drag function dont subtract time? :/
Sad you couldnt fix it :(

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Originally Posted by ForgiveMeNot

Real gemmers don't mind spending gems and care about 30 gems, even a non-gemmer like me who values gems don't mind spending 30 gems, why would u ? :smirk:

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because in 2 hours they become 60, in 3 h they become 90 and so on, non counting heros boosting, then if i do it every day, then upgrading a hero and gemming it to have in war. then gemming something else. i don't know what do you call "real gemmer" i spend worth 14k gems a month, maybe i'm not a real gemmer. i do care about 30 gems because they are my money.
if i go in a market and buy meat, come home and open the packet, and find half bones i payed for meat, i'm not happy. why should i buy/pay to SC something i don't use? if i train only elix troops and spells and want to boost, i pay also de spells and troops boost, while the de factory and de rax are empty.

Like many others in this thread, I have big concerns over not being able to train elixir troops and dark troops simultaneously, and the 'package' boosts.

I should be able to cook both loons and valks at the same time to donate to war and not have to prioritize one or the other, and then make someone wait longer to get their CC request. I should not have to 'pause' my govaho army that's cooking in order to donate loons to war. Any kind of mixed army, like Laloon, will likely take much longer because you can only cook one after the other, not both at the same time.

I don't think anyone hardly ever boosts their dark factory. Even if you're cooking 3 EQ (with a 4th in CC) for walls, it still takes far less time than normal spells, which is why a lot of people will boost only their elixir spell factory and not the dark factory. It's even more so if you don't use EQ - 4 elixir spells: 40 min, 1 poison: 5 min. If someone is farming with barch, they never even touch their dark barracks. Why should we be forced to waste gems like that?

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Originally Posted by Raejin77

Like many others in this thread, I have big concerns over not being able to train elixir troops and dark troops simultaneously, and the 'package' boosts.

I should be able to cook both loons and valks at the same time to donate to war and not have to prioritize one or the other, and then make someone wait longer to get their CC request. I should not have to 'pause' my govaho army that's cooking in order to donate loons to war. Any kind of mixed army, like Laloon, will likely take much longer because you can only cook one after the other, not both at the same time.

I don't think anyone hardly ever boosts their dark factory. Even if you're cooking 3 EQ (with a 4th in CC) for walls, it still takes far less time than normal spells, which is why a lot of people will boost only their elixir spell factory and not the dark factory. It's even more so if you don't use EQ - 4 elixir spells: 40 min, 1 poison: 5 min. If someone is farming with barch, they never even touch their dark barracks. Why should we be forced to waste gems like that?

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I don't know why ppl complaining about the new system we don't even know the new training time yet.

Keep it simple and let's say, all spell brew time will be reduce to half on new system because sc take the 2 factories into account...
- 4 elix spells = 20 mins and 1 dark spell 2.5mins : total 22.5mins in new system ( faster than old system which took 40 mins in parallel)
- 10 gems boost: 22.5mins /4 = 5.63 mins (5mins 37sec)

Old system 5gems boost sf only : 10mins to get all spell done
New systems training pay 5 more gems n we farm faster...so why complain? Why complain when the update is not even out and we don't know the cost/train/brew time yet? :confused:

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Originally Posted by AresMars

because in 2 hours they become 60, in 3 h they become 90 and so on, non counting heros boosting, then if i do it every day, then upgrading a hero and gemming it to have in war. then gemming something else. i don't know what do you call "real gemmer" i spend worth 14k gems a month, maybe i'm not a real gemmer. i do care about 30 gems because they are my money.
if i go in a market and buy meat, come home and open the packet, and find half bones i payed for meat, i'm not happy. why should i buy/pay to SC something i don't use? if i train only elix troops and spells and want to boost, i pay also de spells and troops boost, while the de factory and de rax are empty.

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Don't have time to give another math example... look at my example below.

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Originally Posted by ForgiveMeNot

I don't know why ppl complaining about the new system we don't even know the new training time yet.

Keep it simple and let's say, all spell brew time will be reduce to half on new system because sc take the 2 factories into account...
- 4 elix spells = 20 mins and 1 dark spell 2.5mins : total 22.5mins in new system ( faster than old system which took 40 mins in parallel)
- 10 gems boost: 22.5mins /4 = 5.63 mins (5mins 37sec)

Old system 5gems boost sf only : 10mins to get all spell done
New systems training pay 5 more gems n we farm faster...so why complain? Why complain when the update is not even out and we don't know the cost/train/brew time yet? :confused:

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Originally Posted by AlexSteelheads

That's healing, not boosting... Boosting makes heroes regenerate 4x faster costing 5 gems for 1 hour.

Oh nvm... I saw in another thread that boosting heroes will still be available.

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ok, i know you aren't likely to see this reply after 15 pages, but did you watch the video i posted? i even set it up to start a couple of seconds before ash clicked on the heroes the the boost hero option came up. yeah, he clicked heal, but if you looked you would've seen the boost button

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Originally Posted by AresMars

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...means you make us spend 25 gems more every time for something we don't really buy/consume. this is not fair, not ethically correct, i doubt it is legal

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why do people always bring up the legal thing, as if there were laws that had an impact on this?? SC can do whatever they want with the way gems are used in **THEIR** game. you might not like it, and you might not think it's fair... but that doesn't actually matter at all unless SC want to listen to you. there's definitely no legal ramifications

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Originally Posted by 19Dovahkiin25

Okay, so as per the info that you guys have given on this thread, it seems that the Boost Cost is really packaged via categories: “Training and Brewing.” And, not anymore via individual buildings.

So boost “Training” costs 30 gems/hr which already affects all Barracks and DBarracks (Package 1).

And, boost “Brewing” costs 10 gems/hr which already affects both Spell Fac and DSpell Fac (Package 2).

Right now, when boost farming, I spend 15 gems (3 Barracks only) + 5 gems (Spell Fac only) + 10 gems (BK & AQ). In total, only 30 gems.

When this update goes live, now I have to spend 30 gems [all Barracks & DBarracks (Package 1)] + 10 gems [Spell & DSpell Fac (Package 2)] + 10 gems (BK & AQ). In total, 50 gems.

That’s like plus 67% Boost Cost! From 30 to 50 gems, wow!

I don’t need to boost the 4th Barracks, both DBarracks and DSpell Fac for my farming army because I don’t need ‘em. But in this new update (because they are packaged), I have no choice but to spend an extra 20 gems. That’s like robbery in broad daylight if you ask me.

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this is a big deal, and pretty sucky if SC leaves it how it is. well put, Dovahkiin

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Originally Posted by Billius

Can someone update me on the Hero question raised earlier (thread too long). Will we be able to continue boosting Heroes when needed?

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yeah, can still boost heroes.
https://youtu.be/_OLp1qaFupA?t=27m58s

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Originally Posted by ForgiveMeNot

I don't know why ppl complaining about the new system we don't even know the new training time yet.

Keep it simple and let's say, all spell brew time will be reduce to half on new system because sc take the 2 factories into account...
- 4 elix spells = 20 mins and 1 dark spell 2.5mins : total 22.5mins in new system ( faster than old system which took 40 mins in parallel)
- 10 gems boost: 22.5mins /4 = 5.63 mins (5mins 37sec)

Old system 5gems boost sf only : 10mins to get all spell done
New systems training payed 5 more gems n we farm faster...so why complain? Why complain when the update is not even out and we don't know the cost/train/brew time yet? :confused:

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Couldn't agree more.

Your argument assumes as much as those you label as complaining. Why praise the update before it's even released.

Emperor's new clothes springs to mind