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I am keeping this post short as possible. Its 5th time we faced engineered clan and we lost. This thing is really ruining the game experience for me and the most player who wants to play the normal game. I know this post will be replied by engineered players saying ♥♥♥♥ like its smart strategy and engineered clans are smart blah blah blah, if you can beat them join them, etc. I don't care. I just wanna play a normal game.
Expect a fix for engineer bases in upcoming October update.:(
how much does someone want to bet the clan had a half-baked engineered base with drags as its best troop?
Play smarter. Or find a clan playing smarter. I think this 'issue' has been completely overblown and exaggerated by cruddy players and their clans. By all means, SC can do whatever it wants if it decides to address this issue. Then the smart players and the smart clans will simply adopt a new winning strategy. And sore losers can complain about something else that they are doing wrong and blame SC for their inability to adjust their play style.
I am not asking youQuote:
Originally Posted by jqgunty
Oh, i thought this was a forum.
People don't have time to create second accounts for a screwed up base just to play "smarter", especially when it will change soon anyway... let's hope so.Quote:
Originally Posted by jqgunty
Using balance to one's favor is okay, but in CoC this isn't a thing you can do in a day. You either gem a lot (that's why SC is waiting) or you have too much free time. In every other genre it works, but not in clash.
Lol, its a public forum, your asking everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by clashonprem
If encountering engineered clans over and over and over is even half as annoying as reading about it threads like these, you have my sympathy.
It will change, and we will all have maxed bases, the fun never stops.Quote:
Originally Posted by CasualPleb
looking forward to making a NO RUSHERS sign for my clan, and to hassle rushed bases on global with the rest of you.
Adaptability is one of many traits required for success.
I mean, getting post form non engineered player are better than engineered player who are stopping game from ruiningQuote:
Originally Posted by Vikingchief
not in clash, all you have to do is max you base and cry on the forums and you manufacture success.Quote:
Originally Posted by jqgunty
Fixing bugs and other issues like balance is another trait for a game's success.Quote:
Originally Posted by jqgunty
Yes, and I wonder what the new complaint will be then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikingchief
Also, I wonder which players will be on top, the ones who build defense without any thought to what it does to themselves or their clan in war, or the ones who do.
I think they have show they are successful. You are on the forum complaining, not them. I don't believe you are complaining because you have been so successful.
So, you want to hear only from those who agree with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by clashonprem
New idea for a forum thread "I win most wars, SuperCell please FIX!!!"
Yes, they've proven it's an unbalanced playstyle and not in the mind of "everyone shall play how they like" anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by jqgunty
We almost never lose, except when they have a bunch of lower bases with max troops. But I reaaaaaaaly enjoy beating clans like that as well.
Cant you just take your victory and simmer down, you won, why are you here moaning?Quote:
Originally Posted by CasualPleb
New complaints:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElectroWizzard
1 .5 bases, already in full swing
2. Bases who focus even slightly on raiding elixor, as they are manipulating the organic farming process
3. Roster engineering
4. Perma basing, expecially perma th9
5. We can only guess
Play however you want. If you are losing too many wars, I recommend you adapt.Quote:
Originally Posted by CasualPleb
Or manipulate the mm and claim skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikingchief
you adapt, then supercell nerfs it, and we never buy gems again.Quote:
Originally Posted by jqgunty
no screenshots? or i just words..Quote:
Originally Posted by clashonprem
We're not an engineered clan and we've flattened every engineered clan we've matched. I don't see a problem.
Regardless of how the MatchMaking system has worked, works now, or will ever work, in a clanwar, there is generally one clan that is at some sort of disadvtanage. That's just how it is; it's virtually impossible to match two clans with the same amount of people warring, at the same time, with the same defensive capabilities, as well as the same offensive capabilities. Can you truly blame the engineers for doing something to ensure that they are not the ones with the short end of the stick?
also: making a thread, and expecting only people whom agree with you to post in it, is ridiculous.
Or permabase and claim you want fair wars, how many years you been th9?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCreosote
Hyper engineered clans exist, roster engineered clans exists, clans of super .5 bases and a max th11 up OP exists, clans with defencless bases exist and they are all becoming more common.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kua
I haven't seen 9 in well over a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikingchief
Click on the th and it shows the level.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCreosote
Doubt you'd be able to flatten the one we are currently up against. Top 5 are completely maxed TH11s. Then they are running a few defenseless TH11s that weigh 30k, with 40/40/20 and maxed offense. Sprinkle in a bunch of defenseless TH9s with maxed offense, a couple maxed TH10s and a couple of TH11s that are weighted in the 40's with max offense and heroes. Currently running a 23 win streak.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyPC
I agree with you. Clan wars became very boring after this changes. I hope it stop in the nextupdateQuote:
Originally Posted by clashonprem
Reading these threads now about "stop engineered bases, we lost" are incredibly boring.
Unless you tell the whole story along with screenshots and videos, I have gotta assume your clan is not particularly good at attacking and blaming everyone but yourselves.
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Originally Posted by Vikingchief
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I just picked three... but I thought you didn't take part in these threads anymore? I mean, it was much much better as like a few others you just start throwing insults and fanning the flames. Just couldn't stay away could you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikingchief
This^^Quote:
Originally Posted by cnaf
It's happening so often we only go to war once a week. Th10 to 8 no fillers continually matching 3+ th11s and a 10 sitting as a 8.
ive been a long time lurker but in many of these threads i really havnt seen proof provided. OP can you please show us the engineered bases?
I barely do, but occasuonally when people throw around to much anti engineering bias or insults i get sucked back in. Expecially since it seams the mob without missing a beat stepped onto .5 bases. Things got better because the anti engineers won and stopped there capaign of crying and insults, and even after winning, they back still complaining on the forum, and insulting.Quote:
Originally Posted by vRoyales
So apparently you've seen enough. Why bother op to make and upload screenshots.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFallenDragon
Creating a rant thread is faster that way. The chickens will cry either way and try to defend their "smart play" strategy.
we just beat probably the biggest engineered clan I have ever seen in the 2+ yrs I've been playing, it was a 30v30 war and their bottom was a defenseless TH11 with max war troops and 20/20/15 heros
We did manage to beat them like I said, with attacking skill and well defended bases, which obviously they did not all have, the war result was 82-77.
I don't agree with saying no to any sort of engineering, because in one way or another when you first go from TH to TH it's a matter of engineering your base so that you can slowly adapt to your "new" level. Having said that, I do agree with what SC has referred to as "lopsided bases" such as the example I gave above. This to me needs to be dealt with somehow, not sure how they will do it, but to have a TH11 as your number 30 mirrored against a TH8 is not right and has the potential to take the fun out of the game for sure.
i think engineering should be a part of the game ( it is a strategy game after all) but its advantage should be limited so that engineers still have to be skilled to win. though there arent many of these, some extreme engineers oftenw in before they start. i own a pretty nicely engineered clan but we dont run into easy matchups (becaue we arent that engineered but we have a few sprinkled in).
i think the Th should have a mininum weight of the new townhall below it. that imo is the most fair solution
How did we win?Was there ninja update to mm that we all didn't see?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikingchief
point is, most of these threads dont have proof and im dubious they are as stated in their OP.Quote:
Originally Posted by CasualPleb
but your right, i should just discard this thread as a disgruntled clasher who needs an excuse to lose until I see some actual evidence.
supercell insulted engineered bases that have pumped fat cash into their coffers by calling them lopsided, then declares they will nerf them, possible this update or the next won. If you guys didnt win please enligheten me so i can pour myself a big glass of whiskey.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCreosote
Apparently, the engineered clan was just a psychological disadvantage to good clashers like you who know how to attack and to upgrade, and dont use mirror attacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by smillertime
really, i think the only absolute advantage engineered bases have are the psychological advantage to weaker playersQuote:
Originally Posted by AyanD
There are typically 3 reasons for facing a lot of engineered clans:Quote:
Originally Posted by clashonprem
1. you are heavily engineered yourself
2. you are winning too much so you're running into other clans with an excellent recent war win ratio
3. you have an imbalanced clan war roster; ie, you're putting a bunch of th3 at the bottom to balance out your max th9's/10's on top
I'm guessing the answer isn't #2, or you wouldn't be on here complaining about it. Perhaps not though, post up your clan id and let me come take a look at your most recent loss to an engineering clan.
fyi, my clan just ran into an engineered clan, likely because we have won 9/10 wars. Most of our 9's have heroes upgrading so in this war we have one mid th9, one max th8, and 6 mid to low th8, then a bunch of 7's and 6's. Enemy clan has a similar base split, but they have an extra th9 at #12 and another th9 at #17. So, 3 th9 against one th9 in war. Looks pretty unfair on paper, right? Their mid th9 on top is a bit better than ours, but not much. He screwed up his attack on our 1 and got a 60% 1*, and their other th9's are just set up to beat down opponent 8's with dragons and double zap quake. So they're probably going to lose the war now. Instead of coming here on the forums to cry about things my clan went to work to go get our stars and put our 1 in the position to put us over the top, I suggest that you do the same in your wars.
Huh... Past the legal drinking age? I can still genuinely be surprised on forums I suppose...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikingchief
Wow just read this from someones signature. http://sirlingames.squarespace.com/a...in-part-1.html
This pretty much sums things up, albeit the read is kinda long-ish.
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Originally Posted by TheFallenDragon
Yeah, wouldn't be those 6 or 8 extra attacks with 40/40/20 heroes and maxed offense going at TH10s and 9s.
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Originally Posted by jqgunty
Glad you enjoyed :)
My cash must be slim apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikingchief
only one thing would be an even bigger shocker.Quote:
Originally Posted by vRoyales
You being above the legal drinking age
ouch. Pm the tag by any chance? might know them...Quote:
Originally Posted by cnaf
The biggest shock most get is that I'm 2 decades past my legal drinking age and have yet to ever start drinking. Nice attempt though.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFallenDragon
That feeling when the person accusing you of flaming flames you his next post.Quote:
Originally Posted by vRoyales
im 5 years short.Quote:
Originally Posted by vRoyales
Plan on staying sober anyways though so no big deal.
Yeah, he's only seen casually engineered or newly engineered clans. The really seriously engineered clans only lose when they have a fair fight, or a nearly fair fight, and even then it's no gimme for the opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by cnaf
Sent. Will have them on our stream tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFallenDragon
Unless I missed it, The OP never offered any evidence of this engineered clan or how they were defeated, and he vanished on his own thread. Looks like more trolling to me.
Althoug I agree something needs to be done to address the roster engineering, I really hope SC isn't listening to all these players who blame their lack of offensive capabilities and attacking skills on engineering by their opponents....
I disagree, there is a huge advantage if it's unbalanced and the "lopsided" clan knows how to attack, in my example above, we would have surely lost the war if they knew how to attack. Because we were definitely outgunned by a long ways, and if a "lopsided" player with his max troops ie: miners, cannot 3* a max TH9 well then imo he really needs to practice or take up a different game.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFallenDragon
roster engineering is easily fixed. just make the top half or so be near perfectly matchedQuote:
Originally Posted by Noctaire
Every single war? Really? What size wars are you running? I'm in a 100% th8-10 clan with a solid w/l record, we typically war with ~ 40% th10, 40% th9 and 20% th8, always either 15v15 or 20v20. We actually have no fillers at all allowed in the clan. We rarely see even one th11, and only once can I recall seeing 2 th11 on opponent side.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCreosote
Don't get too worked up about it, nobody came into this thread planning to attack you. And, as much as you like the game, you'll quickly attack to whatever the new meta ends up being for clan wars post-patch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikingchief
i mean yeah. but by absolute i mean that they have the advantage every war and almost always win due to solely having engineered basesQuote:
Originally Posted by smillertime
maybe he saw a mighty engineered th11 with L3+ drags.Quote:
Originally Posted by bryanw1995
That wouldn't solve the 30K weighted TH11s with 40/40/20 sitting down with the TH9s.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFallenDragon
30K weighting as th9s? arent th9s 68K?Quote:
Originally Posted by cnaf
but anyways thats a seperate issue that should also be adressed. roster engineering i consider more as clans that put in low level fillers to lower weight and force a mismatch up top.
Yes, my mind is a little preoccupied atm. We don't run lower than TH9s, so that's were they sit when we see them.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFallenDragon
And yeah, roster engineering certainly what you said. Maxers love to roster engineer. I'm off in that far away place, trying to figure out how to get a triple on a max TH11 war base.
its easy! just spam miners and drop heal spells duh!Quote:
Originally Posted by cnaf
;)
I would say have everyone go .5, it's quite normal these days. I don't have the option b/c I'm maxed, but I do suggest it.
Then your a lucky soul. 10/10 or 15/15 th levels are generally same lineup as you stated. What I've noticed predominantly is opponents will put that minnow th with there engy 10 or 11 then 2 more decent 11's. We nail ⭐️⭐️ On there top two but we can't match the firepower of there 11's.Quote:
Originally Posted by bryanw1995
Everyone has a different definition of engineered. For some, having 9.5s is not engineered, because they have them in their clan, but the other side having 10.5s is because you don't have them. :-/.
some people will only be satisfied with exactly perfectly matched wars, or wars that are in their favor.
the war matching for us has been pretty good since the change. A few bad matches, but nothing to complain to SC about. When our clan first started, we had many more awful match ups.
1. We learned how to set our war roster so that it would give us more even matches (not too top heavy, and now they can't be too bottom light either)
2. Matching really has gotten better.
do think the defenseless max O th11s need to be dealt with, but hopefully in a way that allows individuality.
throwing 3 th3s at the bottom to hide a th11 at the top needs to be fixed.
care to give us a snapshot of those th11s?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCreosote
doubt you are facing th11s without having any th11s of yourself. even more doubtful on the engineered bases.
Tomorrow, I'll post the youtube recap link from our stream tonight with it. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TheFallenDragon
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Originally Posted by MrCreosote
He doesn't need to give you a screenshot, it absolutely does happen, especially when you run a whole bunch of heavy th10's with infernos, I just disputed that it was 3 of them in every single war. Most likely you'll face up vs a 10.5, but sometimes an Eagle can sneak in there, too, and the more often you win the more often you'll run into th11's. And if you are questioning the existence of defenseless th11's with 40/40/20 and maxed troops then you're just not involved in higher level wars, they're pretty rare but they're out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFallenDragon
Yes BW all our 10's are stout and 2 maxed 9's in lineup which is "heavy" perhaps but really drawing these 11's is an issue.
rushed 11s arent a problemQuote:
Originally Posted by MrCreosote
i am not questioning the existence of max offense th11s but in a clan of th10 and below i am.Quote:
Originally Posted by bryanw1995
ive never seen an engineered th11 with serious offensive capability in a th10 below war.
but when creo says something like hes pulling in 2 th11s coupled with engineered 10s and 11s not once, but several times, it raises an eyebrow
This made me LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by jqgunty
Its a exploit that SC never intended to have happen.
Clans that are exploiting this lack the skill to face a even match up.
Why do you think they do it? They need an advantage to win.
Most level 11 clans we face are engineered.
Not just us apparently given the numerous posts, but the unskilled attacking, whining,crybaby,unstrategic, non committed, lazy button pushers will have to adapt.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFallenDragon
max offense engineered th11s are very very very rare. like extremely rare. apart from the most engineered clans or higher level clans, (not th10 below wars), you will not run into an engineered th11 capable of 3 starring a max th11.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCreosote
They are engineered down low. Rushed th11's so they have maxed miners and bowlers. Look its not a terrible idea as you will get matched to a th09/10 with maxed troops. Easy 3's all day for those bases.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFallenDragon
We see one at least once a week.
To say its not an issue is turning a blind eye to it.
How to fix it is a completely different topic.
Your missing the point, I have one 11 in my clan rarely in war. It doesn't have to be a max 11 just good enough as in there specific troop compliment. Throw a th minnow and that selective defensive 11,10,9 and it's game set match. Regardless we will keep on keeping on its our pork rind of addiction. Hopefully more feast than famine come update.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFallenDragon
Good luck with that; I don't think it's realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFallenDragon
Actually...this does happen. It has not happened to my clan yet, but I've seen a few here on the groups where it did. There was one I checked into recently - all TH9 and lower, but sure enough, the opposing clan had a TH11 defenseless with just the right troops maxed.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFallenDragon
There aren't many fully developed TH11 defenseless games with maxed offense and all, but it doesn't take much - just max bowlers, miners, and valks - to be an offensive powerhouse.
Not always. Most seem to lack the attacking skills required to truly take advantage of their engineered rosters, but they do draw more favorable matches. Every match we pull pull seems to be an engineered clan these days (typically 10v10 or 15v15) and these are lower to mid level clans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biz
well i would like to see a detailed match composition....one guy in clan war section did that...and picture was clear and balanced either way...Quote:
Originally Posted by cnaf
anyway 23 WS is not that impressive actually...its very good but not that engineering has done it solo
well this is my experience as well....we dont run .5s ... we run max th11s at top...try to beat those mr defenseless :oQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyPC
An engineered clan won't get matched up to your clan with multiple maxed townhall 11s. If you don't understand this then you're arguing without knowing how things work.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgreen
I saw a th11 get a 79% 2* vs a max th9 (missing a few lavas but otherwise completely max) the other day...wasn't even close, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by smillertime
this is just my experience but ive noticed that a lot of engineers arent too great at attacking. well, most of clash isnt great either, but id expect engineers to be better, but most arent.Quote:
Originally Posted by bryanw1995
that being said, i saw a stellar defenseless th11 with max offense the #1 Maxed th11 yesterday and a solid 2* hit on #2.
Your 10's are too heavy, you should either put in a few more 8's to balance out without making the mm go crazy, or get some of your max 10's to go to 11 (or 10.5 or whatever). Probably both.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCreosote
Keep in mind that if you try to balance your top with a bunch of th3's on the bottom then you're still going to get crazy engineered matches pretty often. There's nothing screwy about having a roster like:
5 th 10, mostly but not all with infernos
5 th 9 mostly max, with maybe one or 2 8.5's in there
5 th 8 with nothing screwy about them, ie, real th8's, no .5's
but if you try to overbalance like this:
5 high th 10's all infernos
5 th 9's, mostly max or nearly max, no .5's even
1 th 8
1 th6
3 th 3
That would probably match you up with an engineered clan quite often, as your "lopsided" score for the overall clan check would be just as large, or nearly so, as an engineered clan with a bunch of low defense th11's hiding in the middle of war roster.
We have faced engineered clans in 4 of our last 6 wars. It's getting old...
The game should be won on skill.. not on creating an advantage by rigging the matching system
Agree, war should be won by skill,Quote:
Originally Posted by odyaussierejects
1. Roster management skill, choosing who should war, and who should not (if you let everybody war, you are very unskilled)
2. Strategic base development skill, choosing what to develop, Supercell offers so many items, do you have to build all (if you blindly MAXING EVERYTHING, you are very unskilled)
3. War management skill, choosing who should attack which base and having proper sequence(if you just do generic mirror attacking, or mirror plus or minus, you are showing lack of skill)
4. Attacking skill
5. Motivation skill (how many times you just whine, and do not doing your best attemp to win)
So do you really have the SKILLS
I don't mind engineered games; it's just another base to take down, no different than any other. I realized a long time ago that "mirrors" ain't, and that a match may look nasty but becomes much easier to manage as the attacks unfold.
What I *DO* hate is when I come up against one of those extreme roster engineering clans. These are the ones who have their roster down so tight that they pull a clan who cannot possibly win because the tops are uneven. That's when we typically lose. Relatively even, a bit underdog...no problem. A clan with two, maxed THs a full level higher than our #1...that's irritating. Skills are irrelevant in such matches; we just don't have the firepower to beat the top base beyond one, maybe two stars.
We just had one of those in our last matchup - 42-45. 15v15, they had four TH8s - one maxed except walls, one near maxed, the other two rushed - at the top to our maxed TH7s. Their top two attacked us with a golem/wizard/Valkyrie combo four times, then used dragon attacks from the next six down to finish things off. They had two defenseless games, a TH3, 2 TH4s, a TH5, 5 TH7s, then 4 TH8 anchoring the top.
This is why I have a TH8 defenseless and mini-max in the works right now; I just need to get golems, Valkyries, and PEKKAs upgraded on the one and started on the other.
FWIW, I really wish SC would just make it so no one can even do clan wars until TH6....
Love the engineers on here always trying to justify their existence with this kind of stuff. Bottom line is that 9.9 times out of 10 you do it because you can't consistently 3 star an equal base so you need to bump yourself a town hall level or two to gain an advantage.
notice the the emphsis of explanation on points 1,2,3,5. But point number 4 has no explanation....Quote:
Originally Posted by samratulangi
1-if you have poor attackers kick them and find better ones
2-manipulation is not skill, any dumb dumb can work out that build/upgrade less defence gives less weight
3-sending your th7 defence th11 max offence number 18 to hit a unmaxed th10 number 3 hardly requires skill
4-in my experience engineers have no attacking skill, hence the engineering
5-you must have unbelievable skills to see your oppo clans chat to know this
31 just smashed our 4 in war...max th11 attack hitting a new th10 with one inferno.
Yes skills......really big skills! Ho Ho Ho Ho ! Pull the other one mate, your not fooling anyone.
Engineers don't do it because they "can't" 3 star an equal base they do it to make it easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gambi
We have skills. We are well drilled and give us a fair fight we will usually win. We don't blindly upgrade everything. We don't blindly hit opposites. Engineering is about giving yourself easier matches so you can win. Pure and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by samratulangi
We had the same problem when the update first came out... We have a pretty good win ratio and once we started facing clans with war advantages from lower bases having the extra high level town-hall attacks we started losing more wars than usual. I complained about it but what is complaining going to get you until they fix it? We are a war clan so we just adjusted to the new system and upgraded some of our better th9 attackers to th10 (9.5). Some of our better th8's went to (8.5). We also slashed some of the high level th10-th11 players from our clan if their attacks weren't up to par with opponents. So my suggestion is too slash some higher war weight if they aren't winning or at-least able to tie top of map. Move a few th8-th9 to 8.5,9.5 with only working on offensive troops. Now we are back winning wars and matchup's are so much better for us. So just adjust like a good war clan always does. We have only ran into 1 clan the last 12 wars that just out based us with tons of engineer bases. Most wars with engineer accounts we face don't have the advantage anymore over us since our 9.5 bases gives us those extra attacks also.Quote:
Originally Posted by clashonprem
So this should be the response of a good leader, only pick up player that able to 3* his own weight, and do necessary upgrade to win war:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by dread11
Is it possible that it is due to the fact your clan is now engineering some bases and therefore has more probability being matched to those clans?Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnnyfsullivan