The Future: Game polarized into Engineered Wars and Farm Wars.

Guys, just find yourself a Max TH11 and someone who does get a defenseless TH11,preferably someone with money to burn. That will help a LOT in war.

Since everyone have the freedom to build their own Village as they prefer, what should change is the matchmaking algorithm: it shouldn't be based on offense or defense weight, but it should evaluate the Real war ability of a clan. For example using Clan XP, if Clan XP really were the war ability. (Like I wrote here: http://forum.supercell.com/showthrea...ct-MATCHMAKING)

i dont think this will ever happen.

farm wars are only for the people that hate wars, engineered wars will probably be more common but it wont affect th9+ wars apart from a few .5s

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Originally Posted by Billius

The biggest issue with these very low defense/high offense accounts is that they will lead the game away from building bases very quickly.

If everyone who wants the best chance at winning a war has to play the engineering game full tilt, then we will see the non-engineered bases being removed from wars and more and more offense-based accounts entering wars.

This will happen virally, just like modding happened in war clans.

Have we learned from history? To compete in war, the top fair play elite clans were basically forced to start having modders. Modder accounts grew exponentially and non-modders basically lost a lot of the fun in wars they used to have. Non-modders became the "gowipers", the "2 star" attackers, and were showing up in wars less frequently because it's not fun losing wars and not getting three stars like that modder.

So I could see this engineering approach leading to a similar evolution: competitive clans will use more and more extreme high offense accounts to try and remain competitive.

The only problem is that half of the game that SC created was based on farming and developing your village's defenses, not just the troops. Asking everyone who likes developing their base in that half of the game to only do (phoney, boring) farm wars would not be a very good game result, would it?

Anyway, that's the evolution I see happening over the next year if nothing is done: the game will be polarized into Engineered Wars and Farm Wars .

Take your pick but don't expect to see 'normal' defense+offense wars survive. It will all be about pathetically easy 3 star attacks on lower TH/low defense bases or going for a spoon-fed one star loot raid in farm wars.

The smart strategists will win, but the real art of war attacking and defending will be lost.

That's my concern. Am I wrong?

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no sir,100 percent truth. ​AGREED

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Originally Posted by STevil35

Are you sure? SC could change how war weight is calculated in a blink of the eye. It's not like they've never nerfed a strategy before lol

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They absolutely could, but that would be the nail in the coffin.

SC is smarter than that

I am not in an elite war clan, far from it, although we war constantly.

in my opinion, it is already the case that, if you know the game well enough to know about war weight, then the critical war issue becomes about out engineering the other clan. Yes, you need a couple of maxed people at the top, because you need defences, but your clan has a much better chance of winning when your lowly ranked engineered accounts, allow you to have more attacks at the top four of the other clan.

looking further out, as you are trying to do, the concept of engineered accounts will inevitably spread, as knowledge is gained by those who don't currently have it, and so, yes, it will become prevalent.

i hear people say that it's hard to build an engineered account, constantly attacked etc. but the people in our clan do it easily. It's all about gems paid for with hard cash. Which puts sc in a tough spot. Nerf engineering by changing war match making and it can hit their income AND make a lot of people angry who lose the benefit they paid hard cash for.

and make no mistake, we WANT sc to make money. It's what pays for the games development.

short answer, I think you are right and on the whole, I don't think it's such a good thing.

solution? Perhaps a whole series of mini nerfs for engineered accounts in match making, such that players are weaned off the addiction to engineering very slowly.

My biggest issue with engineering is that it must be thought out from the beginning. An engineering village can eventual become a maxer if they want. But a maxer can never revert to engineering unless they wait for a couple new town halls to come out.

Was matchmaking always fair? No. But it seems like the tweeks they made have bred a numerous amount of engineering villages. What would happen if they decided that with this next update offense in wars will severely be weighted instead of defenses? Engineering villages would be dead in the water.

I don't advocate the above change. What I would like to see is the ability for a maxer to become an engineer. Allow us to delete buildings. Once deleted we can purchase them back in the shop as a level one building. This will allow ANYONE to tweak their war weight.

Some of us are casual gamers. I started casually and maxed everything. It wasn't until I started warring at TH9 that I cared or knew about the strategy of upgrading. Should I be penalized for that? No. Should I have to start a new village to do it right? Waste of time for me personally.

Removing buildings would make villages flexible and might also pocket SC quite a bit of money as people test their village war weights.

TL;DR: Add flexibility to villages so we aren't forced to certain play style depending on the current matchmaking algorithm.

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Originally Posted by Billius

The biggest issue with these very low defense/high offense accounts is that they will lead the game away from building bases very quickly.

If everyone who wants the best chance at winning a war has to play the engineering game full tilt, then we will see the non-engineered bases being removed from wars and more and more offense-based accounts entering wars.

This will happen virally, just like modding happened in war clans.

Have we learned from history? To compete in war, the top fair play elite clans were basically forced to start having modders. Modder accounts grew exponentially and non-modders basically lost a lot of the fun in wars they used to have. Non-modders became the "gowipers", the "2 star" attackers, and were showing up in wars less frequently because it's not fun losing wars and not getting three stars like that modder.

So I could see this engineering approach leading to a similar evolution: competitive clans will use more and more extreme high offense accounts to try and remain competitive.

The only problem is that half of the game that SC created was based on farming and developing your village's defenses, not just the troops. Asking everyone who likes developing their base in that half of the game to only do (phoney, boring) farm wars would not be a very good game result, would it?

Anyway, that's the evolution I see happening over the next year if nothing is done: the game will be polarized into Engineered Wars and Farm Wars .

Take your pick but don't expect to see 'normal' defense+offense wars survive. It will all be about pathetically easy 3 star attacks on lower TH/low defense bases or going for a spoon-fed one star loot raid in farm wars.

The smart strategists will win, but the real art of war attacking and defending will be lost.

That's my concern. Am I wrong?

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you are on a th11 clan and you never see them so why you are whining?everyone have a freedom to build there own villages if you are maxed th11 mind your own business.stop complaining.

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Originally Posted by Billius

The biggest issue with these very low defense/high offense accounts is that they will lead the game away from building bases very quickly.

If everyone who wants the best chance at winning a war has to play the engineering game full tilt, then we will see the non-engineered bases being removed from wars and more and more offense-based accounts entering wars.

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First off, whatever order you build a base, it takes the same amount of time. So this logic is false.

Second, low offense/high offense bases are not the reason people loose wars. It's always because they have low heroes, have maxed out their defense while having low level troops. This is ALWAYS the why.

Thirdly, defenseless bases do nothing as far as war advantage. ZERO advantage. Do the math.

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Originally Posted by Billius

Have we learned from history? To compete in war, the top fair play elite clans were basically forced to start having modders.

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Forced? In short, your logic is illogical and is based on presumed facts that engineered bases are a problem that must be addressed.

We just won vs an engeneer clan with ease, if you have good attacks ahouldnt be a problem, also even if you have an inferno or 2 doesnt mean i cant 3 stars you as th9 whehhehe! With the update now engeneer can get the fail loot, enjoy