This game is RUINED by terrible attack AI

HI

This is my first (and probably last) post.

I've been playing this game & reading the forums every day since November last year & have an almost maxed out TH7, XP level 61 and 1238 trophies (which I've never cared about).

Nearly all the posts on this forum are dominated by talk of "farming levels" vs "trophy ranges" & "gemmers" vs "non-gemmers", etc. In the 30+ years I've been playing games I've never encountered a game so popular that at its core relies on the manipulation of match-making so much in order to progress anywhere. I've thought about this a lot (as an aside, it's my job) & in my mind this boils down to one simple thing - the attack AI is absolutely garbage & completely uncontrollable. For me it has completely ruined the game. You simply can't attack people at your own level (certainly not higher) in an effective manner - hence everyone is forced to troll around picking on the little guy. I'm sick of it. I'm tired of attacking "average" bases only to see my AI getting slaughtered as they do something stupid. As has been mentioned many times by others the cost of attack vs reward usually has a small pay-off.

There are many "offenders" - the worst by far of which are the wall-breakers. They are so easily confused by common wall lay-outs - particularly designs where one part of the wall is recessed. No amount of zooming in or careful placement can get them to attack where you want - which leads to an entirely frustrating experience.

WHY, OH WHY - can we not have a simple feature that lets us select an opponents defensive piece & then any troops deployed after that attack it first? Simple and effective. I'd merrily attempt to attack higher TH levels to grab some resources if that was possible (even risking the resultant revenge later). Every other RTS in existance has at least this.
It would add another level of depth to the game for ZERO effort.

I'm also tired of seeing AI (archers/barbarians, etc ) decide to attack pointless buildings in droves, whilst being slaughtered by defensive units right beside them. Again, how about a simple rule that if an AI is being attacked, it attacks back. Goblins & giants are the only "useful" AI as at least you've got a decent chance of working out what they'll do.

Couple of other random points:

1. In the many hundreds of attacks I've made; I've been revenged 3 times. At first I tried to use it all the time, now I don't bother. This point has been made by many others - I don't even bother with the list anymore - but I do like the option, just in case. Please add a "can revenge now" button to save time/frustration.
2. I've not bothered to build my clan castle yet - this was a deliberate experiment. My conclusion, they've been fairly pointless SO FAR (maybe at higher TH levels or in decent clans they are more useful?). I've been attacked by one 4-5 times, due to the AI issues described above & the fact they all spawn from the one point - each time they've been decimated, usually in a pretty comical manner. In the hundreds of attacks I've made, I'd say the clan castle defended effectively 10-12 times, but that was before I realised I could decimate them all using lightning spells. Most of the time clans castles are empty and serve no purpose.

My TH/mines/pumps are already outside my walls (have been since the start) - enjoy.

Cheers
William

The archers/barbs etc always had that sort of weird AI from the start. I just learn how to adapt and move on :)

Troops attack whatever they prefer, if you deploy an "Any" troop and it goes for something else than you intended, you need to practice more. That's all really.

Except that you're way missing out on being social in the game with ur ruined clan castle @TH7.. I'd lol if i saw that in matchmaking tbh. Pay the damn 40k and atleast use it as a buffer building, it has nice hitpoints.

Well, thanks for leaving your collectors out, first of all. Second, I have no idea why I actually read that whole thing.

I agree that the AI can be extremely annoying at times, but part of the game is adapting to it. Its not like they change the AI every 3 days just to screw with us. Many bases are designed to take advantage of the AI flaws. I would like to see it improved as well, but it really shouldnt cause you to lose that many battles.

The whole farming thing is a huge part of the game. If you dont like it, then why did you play so long?

Part of the game is knowing that units will attack the closest thing. I don't see how it can ruin it, even though pekkas in particular often attack the dumbest things including walls when there is a gold storage right next to them.

Sme of the ai is off like a pekka that attacked my cannon and not my mortar which was nearer but ya learn to get used to it

Great points. I agree in the most part.

Yes we are forced to pick on little guys since it's efficient resource wise.

Yes AI sucks. Acutally it was not like that before. Barbs almost never changed but Archers changed a lot. Archers go dumber and dumber in I can't remember how many updates now. Before, you can raid with 200 archers and tear any base with rage. Due to this, a lot of high end players complained that the defense is worthless against attacks. Then there goes other offensive units. Then there goes the nerfing.

Long story short, the game is being manipulated by the players. I dunno if it's a good thing. It's good because Devs clearly listens, but what's happening with the game is I dunno if I can call it good or bad. It all led to this day.

With a lot of requests, Devs are given a lot of challenges. Due to this, they keep adding stuff up to this point. It's really nice, but what I really can't understand is the nerfing of so many things. I could care less about the almost unreachable waiting times (Uhm the 200+ wait days to max the Heroes not to mention the required DE cost and the DE production rate etc etc). These additions are pretty much given but the extent of difficulty, will take years to accomplish. (I almost forgot, 900mil worth to max 225 level 8 walls to level 10). All these additions are really motivating and great. Just not sure if we are to stay this long to accomplish it.

CoC Economy is another thing. For the most part, a lot of requests are being granted and looked into but this. Single Player map resources got lowered and almost unplayable (due to the fact that you can only loot 1 time) so no one is dumb enough to repeat a mission unless for pure fun alone but with elixir being wasted. And no future update is being discussed as said by one of the devs Rauta himself.

Everything up to this point seems frustrating but what keeps me playing is the excitement to see my structure or base grow little by little. It sure is wasting so much of my time but the fun is there. Can't blame me, CoC is really fun if you start to ignore these seemingly impossible facts.

I am still interested on how Supercell is gonna handle all these issues. With the amount of money they are getting from this game alone, I'm pretty sure this game has so much pressure on their shoulders. One simple mistake creates revolt and panic. And from the dev's stand point, one crucial mistake will end the game itself.

I agree with you on revenge topic but everything else "it is what it is" we all have to deal with the same AI.

I've just TH8-ed. Same as you, I follow the discussions in this forum and learn along the way. This forum to me is a part of enjoying COC, ppl whine, boast, interact etc. I don't post as often, as most of the questions has been answered by more helpful forumers.

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Originally Posted by Waldo

HI
There are many "offenders" - the worst by far of which are the wall-breakers. The are so easily confused by common wall lay-outs - particularly designs where one part of the wall is recessed. No amount of zooming in or careful placement can get them to attack where you want - which leads to an entirely frustrating experience.

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Part of the fun in game is to study the attack replays and design the base to counter them. With that many counter-wb base was born, and subsequently new attacks evolve that requires lesser or no wb.

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WHY, OH WHY - can we not have a simple feature that lets us select an opponents defensive piece & then any troops deployed after that attack it first? Every other RTS is existance has at least this.
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I'm also tired of seeing AI (archers/barbarians, etc ) decide to attack pointless buildings in droves, whilst being slaughtered by a defensive units right beside them.

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Many people confused COC with RTS, hence the complaints. To me COC is a soup up tower defense game. It allows you to build def, upgrade them, add walls, and the resource to support. The trophy thingy is how SC makes money and convert COC into multiplayer game, and upgrade time is what makes the majority spent (even though they dont care that they are not going to be top 50 or top 5000)

On AI, I've seen the king and queen do pointless attacked while being slaughtered by my def. But ppl are still so eager to get them even with ridiculously long time to get and upgrade them, myself included. It's the coolness factor. Yay! I've the king, I've dark purple wiz tower, I've walls that burns ... Similar to our ancestor try to get the cool looking sword during medieval times even though they suck at it, gamers just want those cool stuff.

There're and will be complaints about overpowering def, and overpowering att. Enuf said.

Too lazy to do the quote unquote thing. Clan castle is very important to defense, and as emergency supply when attack went wrong. Joint the right clan, and you've ppl to talk to when waiting for troops to rebuild. I would love the "can revenge" button or anything similar. It's in the feature request thread.

i think the idea of the game is "to control the uncontrollable..." just like drifting cars... lol