Feeling very "run of the mill" here. Not!
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Feeling very "run of the mill" here. Not!
Nope, don't like them. Chat doesn't need that extra clutter telling me pretty much everyone is "Light Trader".
I vote for them to be removed; if I can vote. LOL
Just keep the titles for the birdhouse menu with the actual donation numbers.
I think it's horrid. I do not like to be shamed into donating in this way. I am stopping requesting and donating in protest.
Think its jus similar to the tag we have here in forum. Does tat makes u to post more posts than usual? See it as a recognition for the one who donates alot.
I don't donate more than 50 per week and I'll never dare requesting anything
so I don't care about the title
im the leader that's all the title I need B]. Lol
Shamed? Really? Just enjoy or ignore.Quote:
Originally Posted by GladeMaid
Yes, shamed. SC is all about not naming and shaming, but they are putting it out in the chat every time you post a comment exactly how generous or not you have been. I consider that naming and shaming. The "improved" decorations can be easily overlooked, but labeling someone a LIGHT TRADER or RUN OF THE MILL (in capitals, no less) every single time you chat cannot be ignored, and will doubtless cause friction within neighbourhoods. (Why aren't you giving away as much as everyone else?) It's just wrong!Quote:
Originally Posted by haydayforum
I suspect the categories are too broad. My stats show I have donated 66 items, across all three bands of item, and requested none. I and therefore a LIGHT TRADER (the capitals are Supercell's).
A member of my hood shows as having requested 5 items and donated 1; she is also a light trader. In fact, all hoodies are light traders, except for one, who is 'run of the mill'. She is anything but!
If almost everyone has the same title they become meaningless, IMHO.
I agree. I was sure surprised when I saw the titles pop up. I am "run of the mill". I had to go look and see why I was run of the mill because I thought I had thrown some wheat around. It's naming and shaming. Oh look player A is a slacker while player B has donated so many more wheat and deserves a "better" title displayed in chat. Why does this company insist on wrecking something that is working and we have grown to tolerate at least. But nope, let's just go and shame a few more players into not wanting to do anything for fear of being labeled something stupid and having that title displayed in chat for the whole nh to see and perhaps question their dedication.Quote:
Originally Posted by GladeMaid
Go fix a glitch, or put my soup kitchen back to being a soup kitchen back to non-Barbie mode. or take that UFO hat maker down a notch. If the team needs a project I am sure this forum could come up with a list. I bet having titles for donating items wouldn't even make the list.
Don't mean to sound like a ditz here...I am not seeing anything different in the NH Chat. What am I missing? After reading this thread I closed the game and turned off the iPad to maybe reset...got back on the farm, went to chat and posted a "test" post, but I don't see any "chat titles".
It should appear on the left, under your text, in the same font and color than the time of your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeslieA
Maybe the leader could choose to display the titles or not, like the derby task log?
Thank you for the response....I looked where you said it should be, nothing there. I am the leader of the NH so I went in to Edit and there is not an option there either. I also went to Advanced Settings (through the button on upper left of farm) and checked all options there and nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeChatFermier
I will head over to the "Bugs.." thread and see if others are having an issue.
Thanks again for your response - very much appreciated!
I have no title showing in chat either... odd because my hoodmate and I have requested and donated quite a bit. Anyway not an issue, just saying there are no titles to be seen anywhere but our stats do show on the birdhouse.
I think this does fall under name and shame for many people, and I don't ever recall seeing anywhere that this was requested by a single person? SC said they listen to their players so maybe I missed the many requests for these titles somewhere.
This may be a glitch, but just an FYI: we have to hit specific donation/request numbers to get a "generosity" title.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeslieA
https://supercell.helpshift.com/a/ha...erosity-titles
I don't have a title either. I requested 100 items, but only donated 99 items, so I hit that sweet spot where I don't qualify for a title at all. :pQuote:
List of possible titles:
MOST GENEROUS
Donate 140 items, request 0 items
PHILANTHROPIST
Donate >70 but <140 items, request 0 items
SUPER TRADER
Donate 140 items, request >60 items
WELL ROUNDED
Donate 100 items AND request 100 items
TOP OF THE CROP
Request 210 items. No more, no less
LUCKY TRADER
Donate 88 items AND request 88 items
BY THE NUMBERS
Donate 123, request 45
RUN OF THE MILL
Donate + request >= 100 items
LIGHT TRADER
Donate + request < 100 items
Honestly, a little disappointed. I requested more items than most of my neighbors, but was only the top-third requester. (Kind souls who diligently request only wheat to help with the achievements beat me out.) So, something like UNDERACHIEVING MOOCHER under my name would've been appreciated and most appropriate. Maybe in the next update.
I wonder if CoC and BB has something similar in chat. If they do, HD is indeed following those blueprints. Not super annoying but kinda pointless, IMO.
We are loving the new titles. Lots of fun in our hood. If some hoods use them negatively, then that might mean that the hood has other problems. They are meant to be fun - just look at the names. I wonder what the ages are of those who see them as a bad thing. Maybe it is a generational difference.
We aren't finding much use at all for the whole thing. The titles mean nothing and quite frankly aren't "fun" at all to any in my nh. We just swap stuff for the xp when somebody thinks of it. I just chalk it up to another feature that ain't up my ally.
As for age being the cause for lack of enthusiasm, I'm 41... I don't know anybody older or younger than me who thinks being called a phrase that means average or nothing special is fun or rewarding in any way for their efforts. Maybe it's not generational but regional? After all, here in the south apparently certain phrases mean something different than they do elsewhere. Grits for example, seem to not feel the love past the Mason Dixon line, yet they are just your run of the mill breakfast item or side dish where I come from.
And if it isn't regional than all I can say is bless your heart and I am pleased as punch that being run of the mill makes you feel finer than a frog hair split four ways. :)
I am older than you, but thought that the young may be more sensitive to nonsense titles. Regional differences does make more sense tho. Thanks for the suggestion. It may not be the case here, but you are correct that it often makes a difference in other matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasLea
BTW - What is the Mason Dixon line?
"Finer than a frog hair split four ways" -- I'm SO stealing that!
Personally, I'm not loving the new titles. I think they're about as useful as a screen door on a submarine. And as for the SC claim that these titles are "fun" -- Sorry boys, but that dog won't hunt around here.
SSSHHHHHHH!!!! Bless your heart, sweetie -- you're letting them in on the code!Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasLea
MMMM -- GRITS! Love me some buttered grits!
It seems like this whole update got off like a herd of turtles, despite SC adding a boatload of player-requested features and new content that I am frankly enjoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasLea
Now, after a few days when SC staff must have felt like they were rode hard and put away wet, it seemed that everything was settling down. Then these new titles hit the NH chat. :(
I thought grits was another word for bacon? When I read buttered I thought hmm lol
What are they? : )
We don't have the titles either, I think the glitch hasn't been fixed properly. I'm not complaining though, I think they'll be irritating in the chat.
Our board is a load of tripe too, it's showing pretty much everything in the middle area (barn products excluding tools) when actually it was all crops. Meh. So long as it's counting all of our donations and ticking off the annoying new Achievement, I don't care.
Well, my nhood doesn't have the titles yet but we do have correct numbers now at least.
I have an issue with this (Thanks LetTheMusicPlay):
List of possible titles:
MOST GENEROUS
Donate 140 items, request 0 items
PHILANTHROPIST
Donate >70 but <140 items, request 0 items
SUPER TRADER
Donate 140 items, request >60 items
WELL ROUNDED
Donate 100 items AND request 100 items
TOP OF THE CROP
Request 210 items. No more, no less
LUCKY TRADER
Donate 88 items AND request 88 items
BY THE NUMBERS
Donate 123, request 45
RUN OF THE MILL
Donate + request >= 100 items
LIGHT TRADER
Donate + request < 100 items
So it seems that in order to become "Most Generous" I'll need to not request anything, reducing anyone else's chance of also attaining "Most Generous". That's not right. I've been encouraging my whole nhood to do all their requests and donations if at all possible. I think I'll aim for "Well Rounded" from now on.
Nick was asking in the Bugs subforum if we're still seeing our new titles and I posted my response.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeslieA
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post7795812
LOL at your self-deprecation.Quote:
Originally Posted by LetTheMusicPlay
I play CoC and CR and they haven't created superfluous titles like Team Hay Day has, IMO. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Haystacker
In answer to a few random questions and thoughts that have appeared here...
Grits is "hominy grits"--boiled ground corn which can be jazzed up with butter, etc. Our Texas ladies will add better recipes.
The "Mason Dixon Line" is an 18th century line of demarcation between the states of Pennsylvania and Maryland. It symbolizes the cultural divide between the Northern and Southern states.
If this thing is generational, there are quite a few of us here who are in the "geezer" category rather than "whipper-snapper".
I'm too old to see anything amusing in these titles, too. :(
The Mason Dixon line was surveyed by British surveyors Charles Mason and Jeremiah Dixon in the 1760s to try and fix a border dispute between the four American colonies of Maryland, Pennsylvania, Delaware, and Virginia that had been simmering for over a century. Mason and Dixon set boundary stones every mile, with special "crown stones" every five miles, setting a straight-line and arc-line border between what is now the US states of Maryland, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Delaware.Quote:
Originally Posted by farmerClem
Traditionally, the Mason-Dixon Line has been the unofficial demarcation line between the American South and American North.
In our other lives as uber-geeky benchmark hunters, we have found several of the original Mason-Dixon boundary stones, many of which are preserved today in yards, parks, under-street caverns, and along roads.
See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason%E2%80%93Dixon_line for a general history,
Here for markers: http://www.exploretheline.com/markers.html
And here, for an arc-line and tangent stone set by Mason and Dixon in 1765 that we found and waymarked (as the Benchmark Blasterz): http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/W...tone_Elkton_MD
Grits are coarsely-ground dried hominy corn kernels that are traditionally boiled with milk or water and topped with butter to make a side dish or breakfast. They are ubiquitous in the American South, and are a mainstay of Southern cuisine.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetDaze
I love my grits so much, I could kiss them!! MMMM
Only traditional grits please for this Texas gal -- instant grits are an abomination.
See: http://www.livestrong.com/article/45...-hominy-grits/
YES -- This is what we noticed immediately. In order to be the Most Generous, I can't help my neighbors pick up THEIR NH Trading achievements. So, in order to be Most Generous, in a way, I must also be Most Selfish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Almosta
Not cool. :(
I'll be Run of the Mill happily if I can help my neighbors.
Im run of the mill even though I donated over 100 items and the most in my hood. I never begrudge my hoodies anything but run of the mill....seriously? I saw over on another thread that in Spanish "run of the mill" translates to Mediocre which apparently is insulting :( I think this naming thing on chat is naff and I don't see a purpose for it.
I am too🙁Quote:
Originally Posted by Greebie0
I think we are all 'Light Traders' I think but we are playing as usual, helping each other.
My husband and I request and swap stuff for the XP when we think of it😊
Thank you for the link! I thought that you were "light trader" when the total amount of requested and donated items was under 100 but it seems that the amount of requested items AND the amount of donated items must BOTH be under 100... I really understood something today! ;) Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by LetTheMusicPlay
I agree on the points made about it being naming and shaming. So many rules against that here on the forum; and yet the game decides to discriminate against players.
Which is especially ridicious if somoene only ever requests crops - where you can ask for 10 at a time.
If you have one that always requests them, and another that always requests tools; just 3 at a time the one requesting crops is going to look more greedy?
Such a ridiculous concept, the idea of neighborhood trading is great. But the crazy lopsided restrictions and chat titles make it more trouble than it's worth.
With all this rubbish attached I wish we never got it.
Why can't SuperCell just listen to us for once; we wanted neighborhood crates in our shops. Not this complex, discriminatory mess.
At the very least the game should give leaders the option to turn those titles off from chat. Lack of leader ability is, and always has been my greatest dislike in SuperCell games.
Geezer category here. I'm not a fan. But we will be told to just live with this new feature like we're told to learn to like the new chat. So yes, geezer would fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiniGardener
About as much use as a chocolate fireguard!!
Items requested 10 wheat,items donated 10 wheat,,,,that's it for our neighbourhood!
Best way to be given how poorly designed it is right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lostindorset
This was brought up in my current hood but didn't end up being successful. :(
This is why the "generosity" titles amuse me: Is it possible that a non-native English speaker came up these titles? I think something got lost in translation. And those kinds of accidents make me laugh.
This game and the marketing around it is so earnest. They're never sarcastic or subversive. They're not gonna to try to shade their players on the sly. But that's what they did. They [inadvertently?] called a whole bunch of players basic. XD
With "Run of the Mill," maybe the game was trying to go for something that conveyed "business as usual" while evoking a "mill" on the river floss/farm or whatever. A trader that goes with the flow. Whoever came up with it might not have realized it can come off kind of disparaging.
It reminds me of Support. I think they've been told to congratulate players on their game levels. So, for a while, they were congratulating you on your "hard work" but simultaneously insulting the game itself. :D They would say things like Hay Day "isn't everyone's cup of tea" or other things that gave the impression that playing/leveling up in Hay Day is an unpleasant exercise. And good on you for reaching level ## despite the intense discomfort of actually having to play this game!
If Hay Day is going to clap back at their players, I'm rooting for them to go all the way. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by LynnK2015
You're welcome! Well, your first instinct might be right. This was just my interpretation. A lot of times, I think something's going to go one way in this game, and the complete opposite happens. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by LeChatFermier
I cannot fathom how it's 'naming and shaming'.
The "no naming and shaming" rule is a thing for the forum. I haven't noticed those words anywhere in the game. But more to the point, I don't think this is the least bit related to naming and shaming.
HayDay is full of little peer-pressure "hints". When you visit a farm you see their level. If you feel inadequate when looking at a peer's level number then that's you. If you feel somehow superior and ♥♥♥♥y when visiting a farm lower level than you, well, that's you. That's not naming and shaming, it's just peer pressure. It's no different than driving by houses in the real world: if a big house makes you feel inadequate, that's about you, not the house. If a little house makes you feel superior, that's about you, not the house.
Ditto for showing boat points.
Ditto for showing town level.
Ditto for showing stars on production machines.
Ditto for showing how many beehives we have.
Ditto for showing truck deliveries per day.
Ditto for showing likes count.
Ditto for showing followers count.
Ditto for showing roadside...
Do you see the pattern here? HayDay is full of little peer-pressure queues. It always has been.
Now, having said that, here's what I think of the new trading feature:
It's horrible. It's clearly built by people that don't play the game, at least not to the extent as the people here. Nick's comments about trying to make sure it's not abused are (to me) completely insufficient: they read as "we deliberately built a crappy product because a useful one...". Hey, let's build a car that can't go over 1 mile-per-hour so that people can't get speeding tickets!
The labels in the chat window that people are discussing in this thread (e.g. "Light Trader") weren't well thought out. They apparently were translated by people that were incompetent (either in terms of skill or in terms of pride in a job well done). That they were jammed into the chat where they consume valuable screen real-estate shows that SuperCell no longer has much of staff overseeing HayDay, instead just people implementing a bad feature can jam their bad user interface into something unrelated. They could have just put the numbers somewhere on the little birdhouse, and been less confusing by showing two numbers (products requested, products donated).
Yeah, I hate it.
And yeah, I'm back :p
I see what your saying, but disagree with your argument. Every other situation you have cited is perceived. Not one of those items you listed directly labels you like these new tags do. Well maybe the exception of level; but that is more an indication of how long someones been playing. That doesn't offend anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by XYZZY
And if you have seen some of the other topics the titles are even worse in some other languages, to the point of insulting.
Why the game would go out of it's way to leave players carrying around insulting badges is beyond my comprehension.
I originally said the new town task is the worst addition in the new update. And I take that back, the horrible way this trading system is designed is by far the worst addition.
But totally agree with the rest about disliking it. Love the link between making cars inferior so they can't speed. XD
i agree with you but....those items you listed basically show what we do for OURSELVES. Not what we do for others. There is a big difference there. Farm stats were usually a motivator for me rather than something that made me feel inferior. This new title stuff is not a motivator.Quote:
Originally Posted by XYZZY
Kind of reminds me of the great flag debacle...
I see the label as an obfuscated "Requested 75, Donated 87". In other words, they could have simply said "75/87" and been done with it. That would be a factual number. Look beyond the English (or Spanish or...) labels and it's just a number.Quote:
Originally Posted by daz258
Ok, maybe my Farm Level analogy wasn't spot on. How about derby awards. I'm in a neighborhood with 20/15/4 derby cups. If that information causes somebody to be insecure or domineering isn't name and shame. I think after a while most people stop caring and move on.
Or maybe to put that another way: weren't people insecure back when trophy records were posted? Didn't they get over that? Are the English labels on contribution records just more of the same?
As for the trading feature itself, here's how I think about the whole feature: what if the ONLY way I could trade with people was through this new feature? No RSS where we do the little wheat-then-product dance. Just this trading birdhouse. Would I ever have played the game this long?
Even referring to trophy records isn't the same as something you carry with you every single time you post. It isolates and labels every individual player every-time they post, ask for help or ask for donations*.Quote:
Originally Posted by XYZZY
*Which is really what this is, a poor mans version of the Clash of Clans donation system. While somehow SuperCell consider it as 'neighborhood trading'. Yeah...nar nice try SuperCell.
Anyway, back to the point. Nothing else Hay Day has ever done to differentiate hoods and players is that intrusive. At least in my time playing.
That is where I see clear a distinction between this and everything else Hay Day has done. And I do believe it has crossed the line.
Without the proper trading ways we have developed there is no way I would still be playing today.Quote:
Originally Posted by XYZZY
Trading is a crucial part of the Hay Day gaming experience, at least for me anyway.
SuperCell need to embrace evolution.
If this system we have now is all we had to exchange goods; I'd be playing some other game right now.
IIRC, HD Game Designer Cami revealed the following in a recent AMA on Reddit: They don't want to make it too easy for us to find the plants which needed to be revived so we may explore the whole farms. Maybe it is the "peer-pressure hints" you stated so we want to emulate the farms by buying more decorations.Quote:
Originally Posted by XYZZY
I wonder when farmers visit me, will they be motivated to clear cut their land and fill it with colorful orchards? :)
Welcome back. I wonder if the generosity titles were vetted by Supercellians who are familiar with English-speaking cultures. The lead developer of Clash of Clans is an American. Are there any Americans on Team Hay Day? "Run of the mill" has a negative connotation in American culture. I cannot think of a positive connotation for it at this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by XYZZY
ADDENDUM: Apparently, the above phrase is offensive in Spanish per this poster.
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ive-in-Spanish
just me, but i believe that the purpose of SC using the titles is to prevent people from using this feature as a Tom replacement. i have to say that i don't like the titles but at the same time i see a couple of my hoodmates using this feature just so and it's irritating. it irks me that i'm on the same side of a company shaming others to hold on to their money but at the same time i don't like greedy playmates....torn.
No. Cuz can't chat. No one to chat with. My neighborhood leader, the only other person in the neighborhood, can't play.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiniGardener
Quote:
Originally Posted by Midori669
Midori, please, for the love of little fish, do something about that, or stop complaining about it. We're not your Mom and she's not your big sister, we can't make her play with you!!
We have given you loads of suggestions how you can fix this...why won't you implement any of them? If you don't want to, fine, but you can't keep complaining about every single thing in Hay Day because you are CHOOSING to play solo.
Most of our farmers in my hood are light traders, except one, she is ASPIRING TRADER.
It would be great if SC made a clear rank list
"Aspiring Trader" is the new title that our member who was "run of the mill" is now showing. Much better!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hestess
I don't know any other titles yet; the rest of us are Light Trader, which hasn't changed.
I also am an ASPIRING TRADER, which is funny because I've only been trading on this forum for THREE YEARS
LOL, I didn't notice I had the "Aspiring Trader" title until I read your post so thank you Cowslips for alerting us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowslips
I'd prefer "Aspiring Astounding Trader" but "Aspiring Trader" is an acceptable replacement because it doesn't have negative connotations and isn't as polarizing as "Run of the Mill" which is offensive and rude in other languages besides English.
Thank you Team Hay Day for correcting a mistake in a timely manner and aspiring to be responsive to your players.
Signed,
An aspiring trader and frequent donor
The whole trading is so fraught with issues, I think "Aspirating Trader" would be more apt.
Is there a description somewhere of how this thing works? The titles we are given tell me that I'm being encouraged to donate more. Yet I keep getting told that I have donated too much and will not be able to donate again for such-and-such amount of time. Are there any non-obvious tradeoffs? For example, if I request barn products instead of silo products do I get to donate more?
Love the new trading feature but PLEASE ditch the titles.