this one is a bit different

My idea/request is for SC to explain why they reject some ideas. For example (not the topic of this thread, and I know it is ruled out, so don't spam that in the comments below): I really like the idea of being able to turn off cc so it can't be killed on defense. I wait an hour and a half for a high th10 to come on and give me a war golem in my cc, and when I get back on a while later I see it was given and then killed. It is ruled out. no reason why, no explanation whatsoever. Just ruled out. It seems like a great feature. If SC explained why, first, it would allow us to try and come up with good reasons to put it in the game. Maybe something SC missed. Also, it at least tells us a downside we might have missed.

I think that because of the time drop, now they would deem it as necessary since troops are done a whole lot quicker, I would still like to see this feature added sometime in the future, even if it's ruled out.

Theres gotta be a catch to getting free troops. And not being able to not have them defend is that catch.

Maybe instead of locking it. It has a timed pause button or we now have a treasury in the clan castle why not a volt for these troops.but only during war. And if you have been selected for war. And they could still have a timer. I would like to know the answer myself as to why? your right maybe we are missing something....

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Originally Posted by Wellisley

Maybe instead of locking it. It has a timed pause button or we now have a treasury in the clan castle why not a volt for these troops.but only during war. And if you have been selected for war. And they could still have a timer. I would like to know the answer myself as to why? your right maybe we are missing something....

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yeah I was just using this as an example, but for a semi-active player like me, it is a pretty good example of a feature I would love to see (focus of this thread is still a request for them to explain why we can't get this stuff), except it is just under the "ruled out" section. no reasons. no way to know why. we just know they will not put it in the game unless someone really convinces them. If they pointed out a downside that I missed: a few outcomes are possible. 1) I could help refine the idea so a more perfect version goes into the game. 2) I would realize the huge unavoidable downside and drop the idea and stop complaining. 3) I could have a chance to reason with a game designer for SC about why it should be in the games, weighing +s and -s (much more convincing argument than just + usually)

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Originally Posted by Bman10

I wait an hour and a half for a high th10 to come on and give me a war golem in my cc, and when I get back on a while later I see it was given and then killed.

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Let's start by discussing the situation you described. You requested troops and logged off before they were donated. If that's the situation you're trying to remedy, your solution wouldn't work. What you missed is that at no point did you login to see that your CC was filled so that you could then "turn it off." The CC would need to be full before you could turn it off. You'll notice that the same is true of your heroes. You can not put a healing hero to sleep. You must wait until it has fully regenerated before the option appears. In that same vein, you would not be able to put your donated golem to sleep before it had ever been donated, so your proposed solution would do nothing for your stated situation.

Next, let's discuss the advantages of clan castle troops. These are not your troops; they are donated troops. Someone else spent the resources to create them which is the only exception to Supercell's prohibition on sharing resources. That other person received XP for donating them and they progressed in their achievement tally. For many, many players, donating to boost XP level is a major component of the game, so you can't minimize this advantage. You can request clan castle troops outside your clan and carry them back to your clan with you. The donated troops can be a higher level than a player could produce on their own and you can even receive troops that aren't capable of producing at your level (e.g. baby dragon donated to a TH4) or that you haven't upgraded the barracks enough to produce. The troops can magically gain a level or two based on clan perks to be even stronger than the donor could produce for himself. The troops will respond on defense to protect your village, something none of your other troops (except heroes) can do. And you can use them in battle to add extra troops beyond what your army camps would permit. Those are a lot of special advantages afforded to clan castle troops. In return for all the special privileges associated with using someone else's troops, Supercell has attached stipulations: there is a limit to how many troops can be donated to a clan castle, there is a limit to how often a request for troops can be made, there is a limit to how many troops can be donated per request, you can only deploy them while attacking en masse, and you cannot prevent them from defending your village.

Perhaps it's ruled out because you can buy a shield or guard to prevent incidents like these. Super Cell is in this business to make money and this would eat into their profit, so I can see their hesitance to implement this proposal.

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Originally Posted by SharkyFinn

Let's start by discussing the situation you described. You requested troops and logged off before they were donated. If that's the situation you're trying to remedy, your solution wouldn't work. What you missed is that at no point did you login to see that your CC was filled so that you could then "turn it off." The CC would need to be full before you could turn it off. You'll notice that the same is true of your heroes. You can not put a healing hero to sleep. You must wait until it has fully regenerated before the option appears. In that same vein, you would not be able to put your donated golem to sleep before it had ever been donated, so your proposed solution would do nothing for your stated situation.

Next, let's discuss the advantages of clan castle troops. These are not your troops; they are donated troops. Someone else spent the resources to create them which is the only exception to Supercell's prohibition on sharing resources. That other person received XP for donating them and they progressed in their achievement tally. For many, many players, donating to boost XP level is a major component of the game, so you can't minimize this advantage. You can request clan castle troops outside your clan and carry them back to your clan with you. The donated troops can be a higher level than a player could produce on their own and you can even receive troops that aren't capable of producing at your level (e.g. baby dragon donated to a TH4) or that you haven't upgraded the barracks enough to produce. The troops can magically gain a level or two based on clan perks to be even stronger than the donor could produce for himself. The troops will respond on defense to protect your village, something none of your other troops (except heroes) can do. And you can use them in battle to add extra troops beyond what your army camps would permit. Those are a lot of special advantages afforded to clan castle troops. In return for all the special privileges associated with using someone else's troops, Supercell has attached stipulations: there is a limit to how many troops can be donated to a clan castle, there is a limit to how often a request for troops can be made, there is a limit to how many troops can be donated per request, you can only deploy them while attacking en masse, and you cannot prevent them from defending your village.

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thanks for not skimming the post (sarcasm)
maybe you could reread it and instead argue whether or not SC should give a reason for why these things are ruled out (not give one yourself either).

As you said though, they are someone else's troops, and they could be effectively going to waste on defense. If a person takes time to cook, for example, 6 bowlers for a th9 war cc, and then they all die on defense, then the cc cannot be used for what it was donated for.
This is what I personally would like to see: a person can request both an offensive and defensive CC. This gives people more opportunities to donate for those who really want to donate a ton. This solves the problem of something for offense getting killed on defense.

As you said: these are not my troops. They are my clanmates' (my clan's) troops. If it was an important troop donated for a war to help the clan but killed on my defense, then someone else's resources go to waste as well (and maybe I can't get online at the same time as the only guy who can donate them again and don't have time to get special troops, so then I don't get them to attack, I fail a war attack [because wrong cc or no cc], and we lose a war win streak potentially because I can't stop the clan's troops from defending my base​ even when both I and my clan don't want them to). I will ignore the part about clan perks, as that does not relate at all to this. Special troops can be donated (higher lvl) by the clan, and as such, they should be used as the clan wants. by adding an O and a D cc (2 separate cc requests), then you can decide and then your clanmates can donate to you for the right cause.

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Originally Posted by 4Winds

Perhaps it's ruled out because you can buy a shield or guard to prevent incidents like these. Super Cell is in this business to make money and this would eat into their profit, so I can see their hesitance to implement this proposal.

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I get that it's a money thing. So allow us to use a couple gems to hold them depending on how long we need until our own troops are made. Then everyone wins lol

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Originally Posted by Bman10

thanks for not skimming the post (sarcasm)
maybe you could reread it and instead argue whether or not SC should give a reason for why these things are ruled out (not give one yourself either).

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This is a community forum where players present their views and opinions of the game. I and others have been selected to help discuss ideas and feature requests for the game. This forum is not for complaining about Supercell or discussing how you think they should run their company. If you don't want to discuss the game and don't want to listen to other players' explanations, you're in the wrong forum. I provided you with a very clear explanation of why turning off the CC has been ruled out. Now you say you want to discuss offensive and defensive clan castles. If you really wanted to have a discussion about the game, you sure got off on the wrong foot.

For the 3rd time, the point of this thread is a request for supercell to just put some form of reason up for each thing on the "ruled out" list. We aren't supposed to start threads about it to see why it is ruled out, but SC doesn't provide a reason. I am not telling them how to run their company, I am only suggesting that on this forum branch, in the pinned topic that lists ruled out ideas, that they provide their reason for not doing so.

My real request has absolutely nothing to do with the clan castle problem. I was simply taking an example and explaining my reasoning for why it should be in the game (or how this idea could be modified as a better solution, so the O and D cc is still related to it as well. The idea was ruled out, and I am offering a refined version of it.). Also, for SC, if they actually let us reason with them over why we think these things should be in the game, they will see a lot more new ideas, and will be able to find the best the easiest (like separate O and D). Why did FC get changed? the war community freaked out, and went here. SC heard them. Not enough people will care enough about a feature not already in the game for SC to even bother considering it. I think that we should have an opportunity to help supercell refine ideas on stuff they have ruled out so it can be in the game in its best form, not ruled out in its more problematic form that SC doesn't want to consider further. Let us do that consideration for them, and more or less hired forum-searchers find good ideas like this and pass them to SC with the reasoning. SC gets some help in the new ideas and changes department in the form of a ton of feedback from the community. There is a better connection between Sc and the community recently, but it is not a strong connection allowing for single ideas to be heard (Except for the heroes during war thread pretty much)

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Originally Posted by Bman10

For the 3rd time, the point of this thread is a request for supercell to just put some form of reason up for each thing on the "ruled out" list. We aren't supposed to start threads about it to see why it is ruled out, but SC doesn't provide a reason. I am not telling them how to run their company, I am only suggesting that on this forum branch, in the pinned topic that lists ruled out ideas, that they provide their reason for not doing so.

My real request has absolutely nothing to do with the clan castle problem. I was simply taking an example and explaining my reasoning for why it should be in the game (or how this idea could be modified as a better solution, so the O and D cc is still related to it as well. The idea was ruled out, and I am offering a refined version of it.). Also, for SC, if they actually let us reason with them over why we think these things should be in the game, they will see a lot more new ideas, and will be able to find the best the easiest (like separate O and D). Why did FC get changed? the war community freaked out, and went here. SC heard them. Not enough people will care enough about a feature not already in the game for SC to even bother considering it. I think that we should have an opportunity to help supercell refine ideas on stuff they have ruled out so it can be in the game in its best form, not ruled out in its more problematic form that SC doesn't want to consider further. Let us do that consideration for them, and more or less hired forum-searchers find good ideas like this and pass them to SC with the reasoning. SC gets some help in the new ideas and changes department in the form of a ton of feedback from the community. There is a better connection between Sc and the community recently, but it is not a strong connection allowing for single ideas to be heard (Except for the heroes during war thread pretty much)

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Read my first post on this thread, theres your answer.

I do t like the idea of the cc having a on and off switch. Let's role play: If ur the golem in a clan castle and the base u r at is being attack wat would u do? Try to help the base for ur survival or site in a cc and wait to die

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Originally Posted by Dash705

I do t like the idea of the cc having a on and off switch. Let's role play: If ur the golem in a clan castle and the base u r at is being attack wat would u do? Try to help the base for ur survival or site in a cc and wait to die

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ok, how about this... what if I decide to group up 20 archers in front of a mortar with no cover. do they want to do it? no. do they do it? yes. they do what I want them to.

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Originally Posted by zoelem

Read my first post on this thread, theres your answer.

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you say they are "free." the clan donates them to you for someone else's resources, just not your own. The way I see it is this: you or your clanmates might have to go out of the way to get you troops for a specific purpose. The clanmate goes out of their way so the troops may serve that purpose (war dragon maybe). If they die on defense instead, then you are stuck having to figure it out again, and a troop that someone else gave you was wasted on your defense when neither of you wanted it to be.