A couple of specific ways to nerf war engineering

Just trying to come up with a few constructive ways on how to prevent unbalanced war matchups due to heavily engineered and even defenseless bases:

1. Allow players to activate war layouts that don't use all buildings (in particular defenses, other buildings or walls wouldn't hurt either). That way, all players could easily reduce their war weight on a "as needed" basis without being punished for buying buildings that Supercell made available. In fact, this would be a preferable solution as it would allow players to benefit from defenses they bought in their regular bases without suffering the negative effects in war. Moreover, it would also allow players who built a defenseless base legitimately (without bots) to keep it around as a trophy without granting them exclusive benefits in wars at the same time.

2. Allow players to sell buildings (again) so that everyone could easily create an "engineered" war base of their own without any downsides to their regular villages. Supercell already gave us the choice of using different layouts for war, now we could go one step further and give us the choice as to which of the village defenses we want to include in wars (and in our war weight). Let's be honest here, many defenseless bases are the result of farming bots that do auto-raids 24/7. Even now, Supercell has not made any real effort to ban botters so this trend is not likely to chance anytime soon so giving everyone the means to lower their war weight on demand would negate any advantages that botters, gemmers and hardcore engineers have.

3. Disallow bases with too much of a gap between offense and defense to participate in wars. Players with high level defense and low level offense would be useless in wars anyway and players with high level offense and low level defense would most likely mess up the matchmaking and result in an unbalanced war.

4. Adjust war matching algorithm to place more emphasis on offense. If one side has 10 TH10 attacks with max offense available while the other side only has 5 such TH10 attacks available, it's probably a mismatch. It shouldn't matter that 5 of those 10 TH10s could be defenseless bases sitting at the bottom of the war map below TH4s. Offense wins wars so it should be important factor in matchmaking in order to have a balanced war.

5. Only one attack per player per war. Right now, an engineered (defenseless) base can only give up 3 stars but he can make 6 stars himself. You do the math! Letting people only once would make them think twice about using a .5 or defenseless base in war. Another added benefit of this approach is that it would kill modding once and for all. (Any attack that a clan would have to do to find trap/tesla locations and determine CC contents would mean one more enemy base that remains unattacked.)

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These are terrible ideas that would lead to a lot of conflict. Stop complaining about mini maxes and get one for yourself. Then you would kill your opponents in war.

P.S. 2 is very untrue, there are something like 0 mini maxes/defenseless bases that didnt gem or farm their bases/troops.

Personally, I think rather than change the game to account for engineering, I think they should just do a better job factoring it into matchmaking the way defenseless clans are. I have no problem with players or clans who engineer - they should be allowed to fight against other players and clans who have engineered.

I think the only thing that even makes a little bit of sense is 4. It sounds like you are lumping all engineered bases with modding, which simply isn't true.

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Originally Posted by 31rambo

I think the only thing that even makes a little bit of sense is 4. It sounds like you are lumping all engineered bases with modding, which simply isn't true.

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I am not talking about modding at all, bro, but I have seen several engineered, almost defenseless bases that were clearly the work of farming bots. That includes a TH10 with only 2 cannons but with high offense and max drags that I came across recently. Barch troops were still level 1 and 2, only had 1 or 2 collectors/drills and even those were level 1 but nonetheless he had several hundred won attacks that season already.

I didn't like any of your ideas becoz u lack the knowledge of matchmaking and I have a the 11 base with just 1 cannon which is not used by mods I have took 6-7 months to build it.

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Originally Posted by CanadianLegend

I am not talking about modding at all, bro, but I have seen several engineered, almost defenseless bases that were clearly the work of farming bots. That includes a TH10 with only 2 cannons but with high offense and max drags that I came across recently. Barch troops were still level 1 and 2, only had 1 or 2 collectors/drills and even those were level 1 but nonetheless he had several hundred won attacks that season already.

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Theres this thing called gems. Ive also seen the same thing you saw, in a clan that is fairplay.

Just learn to engineer your own accoutns... and let the casual gamers / aka SHEEP continue to loose their wars...


This is a STRATEGY game... that takes almost 2 years to complete... if you spend 2 years playing a game.. you darn well should do som eresearch to know how best to play it...

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Originally Posted by CanadianLegend

Just trying to come up with a few constructive ways on how to prevent unbalanced war matchups due to heavily engineered and even defenseless bases:

1. Allow players to activate war layouts that don't use all buildings (in particular defenses, other buildings or walls wouldn't hurt either). That way, all players could easily reduce their war weight on a "as needed" basis without being punished for buying buildings that Supercell made available. In fact, this would be a preferable solution as it would allow players to benefit from defenses they bought in their regular bases without suffering the negative effects in war. Moreover, it would also allow players who built a defenseless base legitimately (without bots) to keep it around as a trophy without granting them exclusive benefits in wars at the same time.
This isn't feasible. To allow players to be as defensively strong as they can get in regular gameplay but yet artificially reduce their war weight to matchup with weaker opponents in war is just plain inane.

2. Allow players to sell buildings (again) so that everyone could easily create an "engineered" war base of their own without any downsides to their regular villages. Supercell already gave us the choice of using different layouts for war, now we could go one step further and give us the choice as to which of the village defenses we want to include in wars (and in our war weight). Let's be honest here, many defenseless bases are the result of farming bots that do auto-raids 24/7. Even now, Supercell has not made any real effort to ban botters so this trend is not likely to chance anytime soon so giving everyone the means to lower their war weight on demand would negate any advantages that botters, gemmers and hardcore engineers have.
Again, this isn't feasible and would only give more powers to "hardcore engineers" who could exploit this option by removing "free" buildings (buildings left undefended for easy percentage) or to increase their wall to building ratio, increasing, and I'm sure many other way we can't think of.

3. Disallow bases with too much of a gap between offense and defense to participate in wars. Players with high level defense and low level offense would be useless in wars anyway and players with high level offense and low level defense would most likely mess up the matchmaking and result in an unbalanced wars.
Wow. SC created a game where they left it up to the players to decide on how they want to level up and progress through the game. You can't simply ban players from playing the game. That's ridiculous.

4. Adjust war matching algorithm to place more emphasis on offense. If one side has 10 TH10 attacks with max offense available while the other side only has 5 such TH10 attacks available, it's probably a mismatch. It shouldn't matter that 5 of those 10 TH10s could be defenseless bases sitting at the bottom of the war map below TH4s. Offense wins wars so it should be important factor in matchmaking in order to have a balanced wars.


5. Only one attack per player per war. Right now, an engineered (defenseless) base can only give up 3 stars but he can make 6 stars himself. You do the math! Letting people only once would make them think twice about using a .5 or defenseless base in war. Another added benefit of this approach is that it would kill modding once and for all. (Any attack that a clan would have to do to find trap/tesla locations and determine CC contents would mean one more enemy base that remains unattacked.)

to be continued ...

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Originally Posted by junyab

To allow players to be as defensively strong as they can get in regular gameplay but yet artificially reduce their war weight to matchup with weaker opponents in war is just plain inane.

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This is precisely what engineered clans are already doing , allowing everyone do reduce their war weight on the fly by removing defenses from their war bases would essentially allow everyone to "engineer" a base at no cost and without the need to create new accounts ... Why would this be a bad thing other than that current engineers would have less of an advantage over others once everybody starts engineering.

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Originally Posted by junyab

SC created a game where they left it up to the players to decide on how they want to level up and progress through the game. You can't simply ban players from playing the game. That's ridiculous.

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Supercell needs to balance the needs of the few against the needs of the many so if a few players are inconvenienced in order to allow for more fair and balanced wars I think that would be a good deal. Besides, the purpose would be primarily to exclude bases that were designed from the start to manipulate the matchmaking process, most likely as 2nd, 3rd or 20th accounts. As such, these bases deserve no consideration whatsoever when it comes to adjusting the matchmaking to improve wars for most people.