Loot idea to prevent having to hit Next for 10 minutes

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May 21st, 2016
Morober

Loot idea to prevent having to hit Next for 10 minutes

I had an idea that would be a huge change how loot is won, but won't change the basis for how the game is played. A little background so you know I'm not some person who has been playing for a month who is clueless about the game. I'm a TH9 that is almost maxed and I'm in Champion 3 league so my loot bonus is 200K/1200 DE. I've played for a little over 2 years now.

One thing that has gotten old and makes me want to stop playing is the fact that I know I might spend 10-15 minutes hitting next just to find a base worthy of hitting. I don't necessarily want to quit, but sometimes it feels more like a chore or burden to have to hit next for 10 minutes until I can do the attack. I'm not even talking about waiting for those massive scores of 300-400K. Sometimes I only find bases worth 100K each in 100 searches. My idea will change how you win loot by attacking bases which will drastically reduce the amount of times you hit next.

Instead of literally stealing loot from your enemy, how about increasing the loot bonuses by 100-150%, and reward it based on how many storages/collectors you destroyed as well as the TH? As a TH9 in champion 3 attacking another TH9, a full 100% would be worth 400K gold and elixir and 2500-3000 DE. If you only get one star and don't destroy the TH, you only get 75% of the loot available. Each collector and storage is worth a certain percentage of loot. Destroying every collector and storage, as well as the TH, will get you 400K elixir and gold. Getting 100% on a base will award an extra 50K each. These numbers will obviously scale up or down based on league and TH level. Maybe even give a little extra for attacking a TH higher than you.

You might ask, what about defense? People will have similar reductions in their total loot based on how much they have. Having your base completely destroyed will result in a total loss of 10% of their current loot, up to a certain maximum. For a TH9, this will be 250K or 300K of each. That way it is on par with similar losses for people who have a lot of loot in the current system.

With a system like this, people will still be encouraged to do strategic attacks, and people will still be encouraged to have smart defenses. People won't hit next 50 times simply because they haven't found a base that has enough loot for the attack to be worth it. The difference with this system and the current system is that people will attack bases solely on whether or not they think they can destroy the base. The amount of loot available to steal will never be a factor. Also, since your loot bonus will be higher if you are in a higher league, there will be no incentive for TH9s 10s and 11s to hang out in gold and silver league. Players will have to move up to a league that is better suited to their current defense, which might make TH9s such as myself find more TH9s in champion/master league. This will also eliminate the "bring back dead bases" complainers.
May 21st, 2016
SharkyFinn

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Originally Posted by Morober

I'm a TH9 that is almost maxed and I'm in Champion 3 league so my loot bonus is 200K/1200 DE.

Sometimes I only find bases worth 100K each in 100 searches.

The difference with this system and the current system is that people will attack bases solely on whether or not they think they can destroy the base. The amount of loot available to steal will never be a factor.

If you've ever read the rules of the loot system or what it took to develop them, you'll understand how critical the loot system is to the economy and how important it is to make sound, reasoned decisions based on a view of the entire economy, player patterns, and analytics. Conventional wisdom would suggest that it wouldn't be a good idea to throw out and invent an entirely new loot system at this stage of the game. It would also suggest that neither you nor I have anywhere near the expertise or the whole-system view of the game in order to revamp such a critical system.

That being said, there are some things that you could consider. Why are you nexting past bases worth 100k + a 200k league bonus 100 times? How much loot are you expecting as a TH9? Because being able to earn 300k total of each resource doesn't sound like there's a big problem that would warrant a rewrite.

In your next sentence you state that people won't need to next past bases, because the loot never changes. But isn't that the same situation today (loot never above 100k in 100 nexts), but you're still nexting 100 times? The game isn't forcing you to next that much, you're choosing to next past villages in hopes of a higher reward. If a player chooses to spend their time searching for a more valuable target, I say let them. If you don't want to, we don't need to change the loot system. You just need to stop nexting and accept the decent loot that's already being offered to you.

The other issue I see is that you're treating high value targets (big loot) and difficult targets (bases you don't think you can destroy) as completely unrelated components. They don't exist in a vacuum, though. Stronger bases tend to be able to hold onto more of their loot than weaker targets, and that's an important distinction with the game. Today, if a player finds a weak village, he may pass it by if it doesn't have much loot. You probably nexted by many in that 100 nexts looking for more loot. If a player finds a lot of loot but the target is strong, he's still pretty likely to attack it. There is a point where available loot becomes too attractive to resist even for the strongest of bases. This is what creates equilibrium: all villages will eventually be attacked when they acquire enough loot. If you throw that all out and make it so every village has the same value, why would a player ever pass by a weak base? And why would he ever bother to attack a stronger target? Instead of nexting for more loot, you'll have players nexting for weak walls, so there will still be complaints of nexting, but the equilibrium will have been broken.
May 21st, 2016
Morober

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Originally Posted by SharkyFinn

That being said, there are some things that you could consider. Why are you nexting past bases worth 100k + a 200k league bonus 100 times? How much loot are you expecting as a TH9? Because being able to earn 300k total of each resource doesn't sound like there's a big problem that would warrant a rewrite.

Let me clarify. There is one detail I didn't add. I see one TH9 out of about 15-20 nexts. Most of them only have 50-70K loot. So when I said I sometimes only find a base with 100K+ in 100 nexts, it literaly took 100 nexts to find that ONE base with "decent" (VERY stretched term) loot. So I certainly do NOT hit next past 100 bases that have 100K loot. If I did, there wouldn't be an issue.
Plus, considering that my own base seems to always be worth 250K-300K, it seems a little ridiculous that my base is worth 3 times more than anyone else who plays.

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Originally Posted by SharkyFinn

In your next sentence you state that people won't need to next past bases, because the loot never changes. But isn't that the same situation today (loot never above 100k in 100 nexts), but you're still nexting 100 times? The game isn't forcing you to next that much, you're choosing to next past villages in hopes of a higher reward. If a player chooses to spend their time searching for a more valuable target, I say let them. If you don't want to, we don't need to change the loot system. You just need to stop nexting and accept the decent loot that's already being offered to you.

You're right, the game isn't forcing us to next past 100 bases. If you were the average player who has a job and other responsibilities, you would understand that you can only get 2-3 attacks in before your shield is gone and you get attacked by someone else. And since an army costs 200K elixir minimum, and I have to spend 50-75K gold nexting, why take a payout that only barely pays for my army? Yeah I make a little profit on gold, but then I get attacked when my shield is gone and they steal most of the profit because as a TH9, the only way to have your loot stay protected is to be attacked by someone who sucks. And that isn't something you can control. TH9 is too balanced to be able to effectively defend your loot in champion league. You can expect at least 75% of your available loot to be stolen regardless of defenses, heroes, walls, CC troops, and base layout. When you consider the fact that elixir is slow to accumulate because the payout is barely more than the cost of the army, and other people who attack are somehow able to steal 3 times more from me than I am them, it isn't worth it to attack a base that has a very small payout. I'm not saying I wait for dead bases before I attack, but it would be nice to see bases that have a DECENT amount of loot before having to hit next for 10 minutes.

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Originally Posted by SharkyFinn

The other issue I see is that you're treating high value targets (big loot) and difficult targets (bases you don't think you can destroy) as completely unrelated components. They don't exist in a vacuum, though. Stronger bases tend to be able to hold onto more of their loot than weaker targets, and that's an important distinction with the game. Today, if a player finds a weak village, he may pass it by if it doesn't have much loot. You probably nexted by many in that 100 nexts looking for more loot. If a player finds a lot of loot but the target is strong, he's still pretty likely to attack it. There is a point where available loot becomes too attractive to resist even for the strongest of bases. This is what creates equilibrium: all villages will eventually be attacked when they acquire enough loot. If you throw that all out and make it so every village has the same value, why would a player ever pass by a weak base? And why would he ever bother to attack a stronger target? Instead of nexting for more loot, you'll have players nexting for weak walls, so there will still be complaints of nexting, but the equilibrium will have been broken.

Believe me, I attack ANY TH9. Regardless of hero level, base layout, or walls. If the loot is worth it, the bases defense plays no factor in my decision to attack. I have a strategy that gets 2 stars and destroys over 70% of the base in 8 out of 10 attacks. That's the beauty of TH9. It is incredibly balanced. My recommendation will change the way people think and remove loot from the equation all together because will only look at how to attack the base, not look in the top left corner and see if it is even worth it to look at the base.

Believe me, I see tons of people in the TH9 community complaining over the fact that they have to waste so much time nexting. I almost got burnt out and quit the game because sometimes it feels more like a chore to play the game. The only reason I didn't quit is because I'm in a clan with friends and family. With a change like my recommendation, people will be able to do their attack in 5 minutes and be done.