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May 19th, 2016
blombardo

This topic is supposed to be related to Engineering FAQ and How to;

I'm not sure why a few of you are attempting to hijack this with stupid arguments about simple facts... The facts are simple.

Engineering an account - requires a very unique mindset. It requires using a little math- a lot of in game knowledge; specific to how clans are matched to each other in war.

Engineering an entire CLAN - requires a lot more dedication - from a group of like minded members who ALL work together with that shared knowledge - to build their accounts in a specific way - to do a specific thing.

Any future replies should keep in mind the topic of this discussion... if you wish to have a discussion with me personally I'm more than happy to talk via any chat system you prefer or via PM's- no reason to take this guys topic off the rails.

--In Response to the 3 comments made ...

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Originally Posted by TangoFever

It is interesting that we find this on your recruitment thread:

*****

-Disclosing your clan's war record while adding reasons for the losses: due to mismatches (and other excuses), yet not mentioning your wins due to mismatches in your favor....
-Putting down meaningless stats such as ''almost'' perfect score because you got to within 5 stars of the possible max....

Anyway, just ''interesting'' stuff that normally does not figure on recruitment threads of serious clans...

I will take - and track every possible statistic available to me - and since supercell doesnt build in the ability to do that- - then I will do it myself.

If you dont have good numbers and a solid record of every war- what went wrong with it - why it failled to go in your favor - or why it DID go in your favor - you have no frame of reference on how to adjust your game play to improve things.

Without statistics your just flying blind;

I apologize if I have not listed every war - numerically at the end - to show all the times that we had engineered (mis matched) in our own favor -- HOWEVER-- I guarantee that every time this has happend; it was placed into the narrative of the war summary at the end of the war.

Every one of our wars has been documented with a small narrative... and I could go back - (if I had 3 hours to waste) and figure out just how often we won due to mis matches in our favor; THAT statistic is not important to me - ideally it will end up that way every time we start a war...

The fact that other clans - do not track the various statistics that I have - is one other thing that makes me different...

You should see my clan roster; I could tell you 60 statistics on every player who joined my clan- from a year ago - when they joined, when they got promoted to elder, when they got Co (if they did)- how many wars they were in - how many times they got 6 stars in a war (within 5 of mirror) - their average stars per attack over the life of their account - how many times they missed - went out of range - donated wrong - etc...

Myself; and about 15 other co leads - all track data of all types... Some players like the numbers behind the scenes -- others never bother to look at it and scratch their heads wondering why we do...

When I look at a base - I see numbers... weights - I compare it to a list of armies that we can build - and the average weight that those specific armies at those camp sizes and research levels have the ability to 3 star based on a percentage chance. Thats how I teach our members to pick targets in war...

Its pretty simple if you do the math... some armies - can never possibly clear a specific weight of a base- no matter how well it is deployed...

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Originally Posted by logos

That's really calling the wrong person a troll.

He's actually contributed good things to the war community.

he also is known to be in a fairly good war clan so it's not like he's not knowledgeable in the game.

Even if you don't agree with his point, insulting him just makes you look bad.

Um... Logos... That dude was wrong - and I called him on it - you can defend him if you want; but your wrong as well.. I didn't insult - I dont care if he's known in any way shape or form -- he was wrong - he targeted me with statements that were not correct -- and I corrected him.

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Originally Posted by dansta31

Tango I would just let it go.

Like I said in some of the other threads, what you do is fine and it is smart for the easy win / easy stomps but don't go on and on about how big of an accomplishment it is or how you guys are so skilled, because at that level of warring you aren't doing anything challenging.

Oh and love the excuses for the losses BTW, I guess in your mindset you never really loss....

@Dansta - good advice to Tango -- but regarding your insults towards what I said -- My clan - its members - its war log - and its ability to show a good time to new low level players -- IS a big accomplishment. it is THE only clan on this entire server of 3.1 million clans -- that does what it does; there are NO other clans out there like ours --

If you know of one please tell me...

-Allows day 1 players to join.

-Almost always wins - with a 99% participation rate - and a speed of attacks that has the entire wars concluded in an average of 3 hours for all 150 bases to be cleared

-teaches people how to watch their weight - and the real mechanics behind how clan wars are matched up -- aka how the game REALLY works...
+++ tons of other things.

-Provides an educational environment to teach new people how the game works / 46 steps and brings them into these forums to help improve the community as a whole - and eventually feeds them into big well known clans...

-
For you to come trolling in here attempting to belittle others for achieving things that - you feel - are beneath your own high and mighty skills -- if thats what you must do to feel important; thats a shame.

When I see clans like FosterTheCore-- with its 100% th3 and 4 accounts -- or Savage 3.4 - or any of the other ♥♥♥♥ loads of low weight clans ( including a few that have 75 win streaks that use 2 strong players and 48 weak ones) -- I don't seek them out and belittle them; I dont see any need to accuse them of accomplishing nothing important - because they arent fighting REAL wars... against REAL clans ...

because- they are fighting real wars - against real clans - sure its all low difficulty - sure its not a ton of max weight th11 players going head to head with high trophy counts on the top of the leader boards with a bunch of youtube subscribers watching every war... They are - real - good - clans that do what they do very well...

Every player goes through a learning curve; not everyone knows everything... the fact that many of us have realized that stacking a clan with tons of light weight accounts - gets us easier wars and a potential little bit in our favor - is a nice trick to know... not everyone knows it yet; some take it to a higher level - some take it to extreme levels...

We started as a th3 to 6 only clan; eventually expanded to take all the 7's - now all the 8's - now we are working on the 9's. We all know there are a hundred thousand clans out there with heavier players - higher heroes and bigger badder wars -- but we are attempting to find ways to upgrade - so that we will always be in a position to win with ease. UNLIKE many of the players who go too heavy on defenses - then can't 3 star their mirrors...

There are 3.1 million clans in the game; most are disorganized messes that have nothing special about them... but a small percentage -- has organization - and a specific niche' that is theirs alone; or that maybe a handful of other clans share...

Engineered clans are the smallest of all those niches'.

Now this topic is about Engineered clans -- Not mine specifically. Would be nice if the next replies were related to furthering the topic of how to engineer a clan - and move off of the topic on your opinions of my clan - or my way of playing... simply put-- you have your way-- I have my way -

The attitude I'm seeing from a few of you is...

"I'm right- your wrong - I'm big your little, I win you loose" .. (Matilda; funny movie) = I see you all as a danny davito standing there pointing your fingers at me...

I welcome anyone with constructive comments; or perhaps who know of other engineered clans to speak up...
May 19th, 2016
VeeBirds

Tango is part of the most engineered clan you can think of, I'd take what he says as true despite he comes as a little arrogant sometimes XD
The other forum pro enginer was mr Humbob but his clan called it quits after 135 no draws win streak and he doesn't come here very often. I learned a lot from his posts though

I agree with the above people... if you give excuses for your losses say so for your wins too...
Our last 3 losses were 2 against heavily engineered clans (one of them with a claimed 100+ win streak) and one for an horrible mismatch.. probably the most horrible I've ever witnessed.
Our 30 or so wins inbetween are mostly against lv <5 newb clans who get 30 stars in 50v50 and maybe a handful of them against other engineers. Serious clans don't exist with our composition so it's one thing or the other.

Hence I dont consider our log very impressive

P.s. I see you matched |\|ik@ clan, we matched and beat them too recently.
Maybe we'll match one day
May 19th, 2016
logos

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Originally Posted by blombardo

Um... Logos... That dude was wrong - and I called him on it - you can defend him if you want; but your wrong as well.. I didn't insult - I dont care if he's known in any way shape or form -- he was wrong - he targeted me with statements that were not correct -- and I corrected him.

Ok first off calling someone a troll is insulting. If you can't recognize that, I mean really!

Second, the guy puts out one of the best calculators to calculate war weight for lots of other people to use. That's not exactly the actions of a "troll". That's someone who actually likes the game and helps other people. So you are simply wrong.

Third I don't think you understand his point. That th8 and under wars don't need the effort. I agree with him on that. It's simply too easy.
He also makes the point that warring at th11 you would never use an engineering base. I agree with him on that too. The TH11 only clan I'm in does not accept people like that, because we know you need to be able to defend. There is no need for "extra" attacks in clan wars that are pretty much straight mod wars anyway. You only put yourself at a disadvantage. His other point was that building a clan floating tons of lower bases to lower your war weight is never going to actually make you "part" of the war community. You can't prove you are the best not taking on anyone hiding in those lower weights.

Lastly, he's asking you to think about what you are saying. He wasn't trolling you, it's a legit question. Why is your war streak so low if you can't lose. And the answer is that building a clan to "not lose" is not the same as building one to WIN. You missed that point.

Your way is one way of doing things, but it's probably not the best way, and frankly isn't really good for a war community that want's to fight it out and show who the best is. This is why we don't war flooding the bottom to alter the clan weight. You can't show you are the best if you can't draw decent clans in a fight.
May 20th, 2016
blombardo

Good info @Vee and @Logos -- but I have to rebut much of what you said...

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Originally Posted by VeeBirds

Tango is part of the most engineered clan you can think of, I'd take what he says as true despite he comes as a little arrogant sometimes XD
The other forum pro enginer was mr Humbob but his clan called it quits after 135 no draws win streak and he doesn't come here very often. I learned a lot from his posts though

P.s. I see you matched |\|ik@ clan, we matched and beat them too recently.
Maybe we'll match one day

What clan would tango be a part of? - and Mr Humbob? the only reference to that player anywhere here is

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...s-a-little-bit

stating that he left...

--Regarding excuses for the war losses - and wins-- I DO THAT...

I specifically compare our top players - with the enemy top players - every war...and I specifically point out if they were out matched- or if we were out matched- and I specifically mention the facts based on 'if that clan has the skill - research and ability to get a perfect score on its enemy...

I simply dont calculate how many wins we had based on out matches in our favor -- because its only happened a handful of times... just as the losses (6 of them) have been pretty rare... I have better things to do that track tons of statistics - that I think supercell should track automatically... I do what I can-- but I run almost 20 accounts... theres not enough time in the day to handle that many accounts - be active in forums - run 2 clans and co lead a third - while maintaining relations with various other clans in our family AND finding time to help / direct/ teach new people how to do basic things in game...

Forgive me ... but you gotta see my point here ♥♥♥♥... I'm one guy; not a computer. I'm not hiding any info from anyone - and im not trying to imply that we are anything more than what we are. A very successful low level clan that wins almost every war it fights... with speed - and skill. As most players get 6 stars per war once they are trained...

==I'd love to match your clan one day - Love Cheat Love? I'll keep my eyes out.

-Now Logos; omg you said a lot.. and unfortunately I have to respond to it all --

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Originally Posted by logos

Ok first off calling someone a troll is insulting.

First - yes calling someone a troll is an insult... He insulted me with his comments - I replied with some facts and corrections - that should not have been necessary - especially pointing out that TIES break win streaks but dont necessarily mean a failure-

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Originally Posted by logos

Second, the guy puts out one of the best calculators to calculate war weight for lots of other people to use.

=Second - I've never heard of this guy before his comments here... so = I've never seen such a calculator by him. Care to link me to it? I have spent close to 80 hours working on my weight thread and I'd love to compare notes if he has info thatI dont.

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Originally Posted by logos

Third I don't think you understand his point. That th8 and under wars don't need the effort. I agree with him on that. It's simply too easy.

=Third -- Engineering accounts - is needed at every level. TH6 has three air defenses now... Thats very tricky for a new player to take down... unless they go defenseless/ or hybrid engineered build -- and stay with th4 mirrors up through th8 when they unlock level 3 dragons... THEN with their level 3 drags- 200+25 camps and dark spells -- then they can up their weight a bit and easily slaughter those th6 bases... Plus they will be able to clean higher bases if needed...

You may think its not needed - or wise - to do this at low levels - but I'd say keep your weight low - as low as th4 to 6 -- FOREVER.. until you have 40/40 heroes at th10 - then move into 11 with mirrors of th7 and 8... Apparently you and I have different opinions of how to win wars... I've been using ZERO dark elixer in war for half a year... I can Drag Loon / or loonion (little dark) or - god forbid - lavaloons down every th9 below that I come across -- every last drop of dark elixer goes 100% into research and heroes. Sure once in a while I have to make a GoHo style army with max golems max hogs... but meanwhile - every other 'normal' player out there has been using Dark troops -every war - every time since th8.. and probably getting high 2 stars with them - and loosing tons of dark every war (cause lets face it-- you spend 20% more on dark troops than you can ever earn in loot returns... war loot has been broken for a few updates)

So whats better for your account? Easy elixer wars - using 100% of your dark to upgrade your stuff? Or being forced to use dark troops in war (or fail) Personally I never use dark troops - unless I have to... and I won't ever use them unless I have to -- until my heroes and research are 100% max... (about another year at least )

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Originally Posted by logos

He also makes the point that warring at th11 you would never use an engineering base. I agree with him on that too. The TH11 only clan I'm in does not accept people like that, because we know you need to be able to defend.

WRONG... Engineered accounts win everywhere... I have two th11 accounts that mirror up to max th8 and new th9. Each has mid heroes around 20/25/10 -- each win every war.. because their MIRRORS can not 3 star them... yet they can 3 star much higher up on the map... Max Lava walls slow down everything... Who needs big xbows - infernos and eagles when u ahve a few big heroes -- and a weak mirror...

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Originally Posted by logos

There is no need for "extra" attacks in clan wars that are pretty much straight mod wars anyway. You only put yourself at a disadvantage.

I dont understand what you mean by mod wars... - but there is ALAWYS a need for Extra attacks -- someone will always mess up and - normally in our wars - we have about 5 to 10 accounts in the end - who have the power to 3 star enemy 1 and 2. That means they can clean up any base on the map.. and because of that- we normally get perfect wars... I never want to run out of attacks / attempts before we have a perfect war...

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Originally Posted by logos

His other point was that building a clan floating tons of lower bases to lower your war weight is never going to actually make you "part" of the war community. You can't prove you are the best not taking on anyone hiding in those lower weights.

So - If you have a brand new Dodge Dart - you fixed it up - tuned it for speed; modified your exhaust , intake etc... -- your saying it will never be a part of the 'racing community' because its not a million dollar super fact elite race car? It cant be the best because its hiding down there in the low speed races...?

NO.. your wrong -- its just a DIFFERENT LEAGUE... nightmareGuild -- and many other clans out there-- are attempting to do the same exact thing that your 'best' war clans are doing... we are just newer players - lower levels - weaker heroes and newer to the community. I built my clan because I wanted to experience a fast paced - hardcore war clan where everyone in the clan was serious about the game- serious about winning - serious about getting perfect scores every war and getting faster times every week. Check back in 2 or 3 years when we are all max level players with big strong accounts - then maybe you will stop looking down your nose at us... but you really can't compare our clans to max th11 style players... its just not going to be possible for a long time.

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Originally Posted by logos

Lastly, he's asking you to think about what you are saying. He wasn't trolling you, it's a legit question. Why is your war streak so low if you can't lose. And the answer is that building a clan to "not lose" is not the same as building one to WIN. You missed that point.

As I explained to him - TIES break war win streaks - as do the handful of losses we have suffered (before) we engineered ourselves to avoid those losses. as a purely town hall 3 to 7 clan we had a 56 win streak - quite respectable; about 300 clans have that currently... as we expanded into th8/9 and 10 we suffered a handful of losses -- growing pains - out matched - etc. WE DID NOT LEARN how to manage war weights until a few months ago. now all of our accounts are being engineered to win - and now instead of 'loosing' wars after every 10 to 15 wins -- now we get TIES every 10 to 15 wins... and - soon - we will build our defenses up to a point where the enemy will no longer tie us.-- its a work in progress and we are about 75% of the way to being un beatable. At worst - with a bad mis match -against an engineered clan that does it better than us -- (soon) it will be a TIE at worst... Kind of hard to guarantee those results when our best accounts are barely 10/10 on the hero scale in our average wars... once they are 25/25 - things will be a lot different.

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Originally Posted by logos

Your way is one way of doing things, but it's probably not the best way, and frankly isn't really good for a war community that want's to fight it out and show who the best is.

I want to win wars - and I want to win them FAST. Those are the two things that interest me. Being the clan that can clear 150 stars on a map - faster than any other clan -- is a goal that we can reach... its a goal that any clan - of any level can reach - because that goal doesnt require having a 3 year old account with max everythings... it requires a clan full of players who log in when the war starts - donate to each other - and play together - at the same time - in a big fun busy group... Then after a few hours the clan is a ghost town again and we all go back to real life...

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Originally Posted by logos

This is why we don't war flooding the bottom to alter the clan weight. You can't show you are the best if you can't draw decent clans in a fight.

There is that word BEST again... You kknow - 'BEST' is a word that really needs clarification...

BEST farming clan?
Best donating
Best pushing
Best WAR (*Add ten more variables to describe different types of war clans)
Best low level war clan
best mid level war clan
best end game war clan
best 'ambush / fast paced' war clan (cant say Ambush apparently it has dual meanings)
and of course - everyones favorite.. the most popular of all clans:

BEST NOOB CLAN... Free co for everyone! lol

Drawing 'decent' clans has nothing to do with engineering. We have fought quite a few VERY good clans over the past 130 or so wars... well organized - hard hitting clans that have either beat us- tied us - or came close to winning. If you want to win - you will engineer your clan. If you want 'hard fights' or 'epic battles' or a bunch of losses mixed in your war log - then sure... dont bother to stack the bottom.. dont have your players do the .5 upgrades.. heck dont even bother maxing anything - just rush your accounts - throw down those infernos and eagle artilleries... so what if your golems are still no unlocked and your strongest troop is a level 2 dragon... im sure that UN engineered base will win lots of wars for any clan it decides to join...

I'd rather have the guy with level 20/20 heroes - max golems - max hogs - max dark spells and zero xbows - zero infernos - no eagle - heck I dont even want him to have all the defenses bought.. Just be defenseless please... thats fine by me.. 49 defenseless bases with one strong defender on top-- enemy can get all but 1 star; but we will get ALL the stars and win... a win is a win- no matter how it comes to us.. the faster the better - the more the better - of course... having all defenseless in a war is silly; I dont REALLY want that. its an over exaggeration. but 5 or 10 defenseless on bottom; sure.. im fine with that... 5 or 10 minimax - great... gimme about 10 or 15 hybrids with attack power 3x higher than their defensive weight - then put 5 or 10 strong defenders on top of the map... mix in a few normal players who have no clue what engineering is and let them look around to see what style of base they would enjoy playing the most... THAT is my perfect war clan design... a few of every account mixed together.
May 20th, 2016
logos

Quote:

Originally Posted by blombardo

What clan would tango be a part of? - and Mr Humbob? the only reference to that player anywhere here is

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...s-a-little-bit

stating that he left...

--Regarding excuses for the war losses - and wins-- I DO THAT...

I specifically compare our top players - with the enemy top players - every war...and I specifically point out if they were out matched- or if we were out matched- and I specifically mention the facts based on 'if that clan has the skill - research and ability to get a perfect score on its enemy...

I simply dont calculate how many wins we had based on out matches in our favor -- because its only happened a handful of times... just as the losses (6 of them) have been pretty rare... I have better things to do that track tons of statistics - that I think supercell should track automatically... I do what I can-- but I run almost 20 accounts... theres not enough time in the day to handle that many accounts - be active in forums - run 2 clans and co lead a third - while maintaining relations with various other clans in our family AND finding time to help / direct/ teach new people how to do basic things in game...

Forgive me ... but you gotta see my point here ♥♥♥♥... I'm one guy; not a computer. I'm not hiding any info from anyone - and im not trying to imply that we are anything more than what we are. A very successful low level clan that wins almost every war it fights... with speed - and skill. As most players get 6 stars per war once they are trained...

==I'd love to match your clan one day - Love Cheat Love? I'll keep my eyes out.

-Now Logos; omg you said a lot.. and unfortunately I have to respond to it all --

First - yes calling someone a troll is an insult... He insulted me with his comments - I replied with some facts and corrections - that should not have been necessary - especially pointing out that TIES break win streaks but dont necessarily mean a failure-

=Second - I've never heard of this guy before his comments here... so = I've never seen such a calculator by him. Care to link me to it? I have spent close to 80 hours working on my weight thread and I'd love to compare notes if he has info thatI dont.

=Third -- Engineering accounts - is needed at every level. TH6 has three air defenses now... Thats very tricky for a new player to take down... unless they go defenseless/ or hybrid engineered build -- and stay with th4 mirrors up through th8 when they unlock level 3 dragons... THEN with their level 3 drags- 200+25 camps and dark spells -- then they can up their weight a bit and easily slaughter those th6 bases... Plus they will be able to clean higher bases if needed...

You may think its not needed - or wise - to do this at low levels - but I'd say keep your weight low - as low as th4 to 6 -- FOREVER.. until you have 40/40 heroes at th10 - then move into 11 with mirrors of th7 and 8... Apparently you and I have different opinions of how to win wars... I've been using ZERO dark elixer in war for half a year... I can Drag Loon / or loonion (little dark) or - god forbid - lavaloons down every th9 below that I come across -- every last drop of dark elixer goes 100% into research and heroes. Sure once in a while I have to make a GoHo style army with max golems max hogs... but meanwhile - every other 'normal' player out there has been using Dark troops -every war - every time since th8.. and probably getting high 2 stars with them - and loosing tons of dark every war (cause lets face it-- you spend 20% more on dark troops than you can ever earn in loot returns... war loot has been broken for a few updates)

So whats better for your account? Easy elixer wars - using 100% of your dark to upgrade your stuff? Or being forced to use dark troops in war (or fail) Personally I never use dark troops - unless I have to... and I won't ever use them unless I have to -- until my heroes and research are 100% max... (about another year at least )

WRONG... Engineered accounts win everywhere... I have two th11 accounts that mirror up to max th8 and new th9. Each has mid heroes around 20/25/10 -- each win every war.. because their MIRRORS can not 3 star them... yet they can 3 star much higher up on the map... Max Lava walls slow down everything... Who needs big xbows - infernos and eagles when u ahve a few big heroes -- and a weak mirror...

I dont understand what you mean by mod wars... - but there is ALAWYS a need for Extra attacks -- someone will always mess up and - normally in our wars - we have about 5 to 10 accounts in the end - who have the power to 3 star enemy 1 and 2. That means they can clean up any base on the map.. and because of that- we normally get perfect wars... I never want to run out of attacks / attempts before we have a perfect war...

So - If you have a brand new Dodge Dart - you fixed it up - tuned it for speed; modified your exhaust , intake etc... -- your saying it will never be a part of the 'racing community' because its not a million dollar super fact elite race car? It cant be the best because its hiding down there in the low speed races...?

NO.. your wrong -- its just a DIFFERENT LEAGUE... nightmareGuild -- and many other clans out there-- are attempting to do the same exact thing that your 'best' war clans are doing... we are just newer players - lower levels - weaker heroes and newer to the community. I built my clan because I wanted to experience a fast paced - hardcore war clan where everyone in the clan was serious about the game- serious about winning - serious about getting perfect scores every war and getting faster times every week. Check back in 2 or 3 years when we are all max level players with big strong accounts - then maybe you will stop looking down your nose at us... but you really can't compare our clans to max th11 style players... its just not going to be possible for a long time.

As I explained to him - TIES break war win streaks - as do the handful of losses we have suffered (before) we engineered ourselves to avoid those losses. as a purely town hall 3 to 7 clan we had a 56 win streak - quite respectable; about 300 clans have that currently... as we expanded into th8/9 and 10 we suffered a handful of losses -- growing pains - out matched - etc. WE DID NOT LEARN how to manage war weights until a few months ago. now all of our accounts are being engineered to win - and now instead of 'loosing' wars after every 10 to 15 wins -- now we get TIES every 10 to 15 wins... and - soon - we will build our defenses up to a point where the enemy will no longer tie us.-- its a work in progress and we are about 75% of the way to being un beatable. At worst - with a bad mis match -against an engineered clan that does it better than us -- (soon) it will be a TIE at worst... Kind of hard to guarantee those results when our best accounts are barely 10/10 on the hero scale in our average wars... once they are 25/25 - things will be a lot different.

I want to win wars - and I want to win them FAST. Those are the two things that interest me. Being the clan that can clear 150 stars on a map - faster than any other clan -- is a goal that we can reach... its a goal that any clan - of any level can reach - because that goal doesnt require having a 3 year old account with max everythings... it requires a clan full of players who log in when the war starts - donate to each other - and play together - at the same time - in a big fun busy group... Then after a few hours the clan is a ghost town again and we all go back to real life...

There is that word BEST again... You kknow - 'BEST' is a word that really needs clarification...

BEST farming clan?
Best donating
Best pushing
Best WAR (*Add ten more variables to describe different types of war clans)
Best low level war clan
best mid level war clan
best end game war clan
best 'ambush / fast paced' war clan (cant say Ambush apparently it has dual meanings)
and of course - everyones favorite.. the most popular of all clans:

BEST NOOB CLAN... Free co for everyone! lol

Drawing 'decent' clans has nothing to do with engineering. We have fought quite a few VERY good clans over the past 130 or so wars... well organized - hard hitting clans that have either beat us- tied us - or came close to winning. If you want to win - you will engineer your clan. If you want 'hard fights' or 'epic battles' or a bunch of losses mixed in your war log - then sure... dont bother to stack the bottom.. dont have your players do the .5 upgrades.. heck dont even bother maxing anything - just rush your accounts - throw down those infernos and eagle artilleries... so what if your golems are still no unlocked and your strongest troop is a level 2 dragon... im sure that UN engineered base will win lots of wars for any clan it decides to join...

I'd rather have the guy with level 20/20 heroes - max golems - max hogs - max dark spells and zero xbows - zero infernos - no eagle - heck I dont even want him to have all the defenses bought.. Just be defenseless please... thats fine by me.. 49 defenseless bases with one strong defender on top-- enemy can get all but 1 star; but we will get ALL the stars and win... a win is a win- no matter how it comes to us.. the faster the better - the more the better - of course... having all defenseless in a war is silly; I dont REALLY want that. its an over exaggeration. but 5 or 10 defenseless on bottom; sure.. im fine with that... 5 or 10 minimax - great... gimme about 10 or 15 hybrids with attack power 3x higher than their defensive weight - then put 5 or 10 strong defenders on top of the map... mix in a few normal players who have no clue what engineering is and let them look around to see what style of base they would enjoy playing the most... THAT is my perfect war clan design... a few of every account mixed together.

TLDR

From the half of your rambling that i read it shows you simply don't understand. Your over here worried about using DE in war, who cares. No one who wars seriously cares about using DE.
MrLee didn't insult you, and you obviously don't understand any points being made. The fact that you don't know who he is says a lot considering you want to sit around talking about war weights.
If you want to find his calculator go look it up on here instead of being lazy.
May 20th, 2016
dorsan

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Originally Posted by blombardo

Check back in 2 or 3 years when we are all max level players with big strong accounts - then maybe you will stop looking down your nose at us... but you really can't compare our clans to max th11 style players... its just not going to be possible for a long time.

Your clan will not exist in 2 or 3 years. Your players will either burn out from the pressure or you'll get to the point where you are all maxed and realize you are bad at attacking because you never needed good attacking skills to win wars vs outmatched clans.
May 20th, 2016
VeeBirds

I really dont want to read all that text but I guess you get my/our points.
It's always good to compare top players but for what I understood you have hybrid accounts who are not necessairly at the top ? It's hard for me to understand without seeing your clan really. That's why I'm not convinced in your "achievements". Our top has legit accounts (TH10 and several TH9s) and we only engineer our mid-bottom so we win wars on that department. (and rarely perfect).

and I know what clans Tango and Humbob are in but I won't say them, if they want to they will. (Humbob said it plenty of times in the past)
May 21st, 2016
blombardo

2 more off topic comments; and one on topic one.

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Originally Posted by logos

TLDR From the half of your rambling that i read it shows you simply don't understand. Your over here worried about using DE in war, who cares.

-Who cares? -- I care -- and 90% of the other players in my clan also care... we are dark misers - squeezing every last drop of elixer that we can and focusing it ALL into dark research and hero upgrades. if you love playing with them good for you; I farm with GiBarch - sometimes a little wallbreaker or queen walk combo... I spend zero dark to earn dark... I even ZAP drills! (Yea and I'm proud of it.. go ahead put that drill deep in between the infernos and eagle... I'm gonna zap that puppy dry and walk away with 1800 dark!) I bet you the type of player who hates players like me; lol

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Originally Posted by logos

TLDR No one who wars seriously cares about using DE.

I guess I'm not SERIOUS about war then... (♥♥♥♥) because I care about it. I cringe every time i make a max golem/lava/hog etc as my dark storage gets drained... I'm quite happy that I can use Dragons or Loons to clear all the th8's and 9's that I get in our wars....(with a few exceptions thatneed a GovaHoWiWipe combo of some sort)

These points have little -- or nothing - to do with engineering a clan... This entire post you made is 100% directed at me and totally off topic.

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Originally Posted by dorsan

Your clan will not exist in 2 or 3 years. Your players will either burn out from the pressure or you'll get to the point where you are all maxed and realize you are bad at attacking because you never needed good attacking skills to win wars vs outmatched clans.

-Again - off topic - why are you bothering to attempt to insult me with your goofy comments; and if you have a crystal ball to see the future 3 or 4 years from now; guess what - I'll happily show you my domain register receipts... i've owned nightmareguild.org for over ten years and its paid up for quite a few years inthe future; who knows if this game will even be online in 5 years time - games come and go... as I move from game to game - I adapt my website. Once I fully master the game and get bored with it -- I move on to another... I expect about another year of this and I'll probably move on. My friends have followed me; and I have followed them for many years - over a variety of games on countless servers... but hey; why belive me... and who cares ? this is off topic.

--Feel free to look at my (one) youtube video - shows 3 attacks. Making snide remarks about other peoples in game skill should be beneath any mature player; im guessing your probably... what... about ten years old? Nothing better to do than try to get a rise out of someone? - wont happen with me... feel free to direct any future comments to my inbox; or to the nearest rock in your back yard.. because it will be listening about as intently as I am.

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Originally Posted by VeeBirds

I really dont want to read all that text

And you think I wanted to type it all? As dark helmet said in Spaceballs -- "I'm surrounded by A@#holes!" I felt the need to correct a few comments others made; as many of them are just flat out wrong.

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Originally Posted by VeeBirds

It's always good to compare top players but ...That's why I'm not convinced in your "achievements". Our top has legit accounts (TH10 and several TH9s) and we only engineer our mid-bottom so we win wars on that department. (and rarely perfect).

My philosophy - is your clan needs at least 5 or 10 attacks- who are fully capable of 3 starring people who are at least 20k heavier than the heaviest weighted players in your clan. In other words - 10 out of 50 people will - always- easily- 3 star the enemy #1 player.

This is how we achieve perfect wars. You make sure the clan grows together; that your trusted core players all have the weights and offensive abilities to always bring home a perfect war. You Never let anyone in your clan who has weight so high - that they could potentially bring a mirror on top that is too strong for you to get 3 stars on. That is the only way to guarantee war wins... and the best way to achieve that-- is to understand war weights -- and to have all your players be conscious of what they pick and choose to upgrade so that = as a clan - your entire team is working towards a common goal.

Our top player is normally a 'maxer' type player who can not normally 3 star on mirror; but has to drop 1 or 2 down. The top is always cleared by our #2 to our #35 accounts... our 36 to 50's are all too weak still to clear the top few... but some of our weakest defenseless accounts can now 3 star any th8 - and new th9's. so in time our low players will be realy solid as well... lvl2 lava / max loon/ lvl3 EQ lvl 6 Light are the levels of those... low weight defenseless bases with strong research are really a valuable asset to any clan - especialy as they get to th9 and 10 and get heroes developed.
May 21st, 2016
VeeBirds

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Originally Posted by blombardo

My philosophy - is your clan needs at least 5 or 10 attacks- who are fully capable of 3 starring people who are at least 20k heavier than the heaviest weighted players in your clan. In other words - 10 out of 50 people will - always- easily- 3 star the enemy #1 player.

This is how we achieve perfect wars. You make sure the clan grows together; that your trusted core players all have the weights and offensive abilities to always bring home a perfect war. You Never let anyone in your clan who has weight so high - that they could potentially bring a mirror on top that is too strong for you to get 3 stars on. That is the only way to guarantee war wins... and the best way to achieve that-- is to understand war weights -- and to have all your players be conscious of what they pick and choose to upgrade so that = as a clan - your entire team is working towards a common goal.

Our top player is normally a 'maxer' type player who can not normally 3 star on mirror; but has to drop 1 or 2 down. The top is always cleared by our #2 to our #35 accounts... our 36 to 50's are all too weak still to clear the top few... but some of our weakest defenseless accounts can now 3 star any th8 - and new th9's. so in time our low players will be realy solid as well... lvl2 lava / max loon/ lvl3 EQ lvl 6 Light are the levels of those... low weight defenseless bases with strong research are really a valuable asset to any clan - especialy as they get to th9 and 10 and get heroes developed.

And that's my point
If you have such HUGE error margin I'm pretty baffled you boast about win streaks and perfects. Actually I would be surprised if you don't perfect most of your wars with that roster.
Now don't take me wrong I'm not picking on your clan
If you can at worst perfect draw it means you achieved the ultimate target of engineering
May 23rd, 2016
blombardo

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Originally Posted by VeeBirds

And that's my point

If you can at worst perfect draw it means you achieved the ultimate target of engineering

Yes that would be ideal-- 29 or so wars now its been the fact. though here on our current war we are meeting a clan with ; not so much engineered accounts as a clan with insane Weight hiding skills and a couple engineered accounts...

Enemy 1 is 85k our #1 is 55k
Enemy 2 is 68k our #2 is 54k

of course enemy #1 has three max infernos and 3 max xbows - and one heck of a hard base design... Max Lavaloon is unable to clear it - max dragons likely wont clear it.. (high 2) what you need there is 20/20 heroes - and a solid ground attack wtith 100% max troops and max spells to clear such a beast... our clan does not have such a strong account - so here we face our first enemy in a while that -- we have zero chance of getting a perfect against... unless we gem - about $400.00 worth of gemming. I'll take the red line if needed.. not spending that kinda money to score a perfect.

They - of course - can easily get a perfect on us... their #1 already smacked down our #1 like a nuclear bomb hitting a preschool... Their top ten accounts are all strong research - high dark troops - and their 3 to 19 are all light weight high research th7i/8 ish -- their #20 to 50 are all zero / low weight th3 people...

They have engineered a more extreme clan that I have managed to do... Give me about 12 more weeks and maybe I can engineer such a clan to compete with them- - give me 16 more weeks and I'll have hero levels big enough to beat them....

I'm no expert on engineering - I am just a player trying to learn the tricks; and help others learn them as well.

Watch out for level 9 Wholez - indonesian clan - I dont know if they will get a perfect on us =but they sure could... lol

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