What is engineered base and why they are complain about it ?

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Originally Posted by JKL2207

Their matchmaking system is a good enough indication of how they feel. I don't see why we need SC to explicitly state anything, it's not as if we are catholics/christians eagerly awaiting the Pope's yearly speech.

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Getting back to the sniping situation for a moment, many of us used the free shields to help save up loot for years, never knowing that this wasn't how supercell intended for people to play the game. It blindsided most of the community to find out that SC really thought it was an exploit all these years. I never once thought it was an exploit, like how you probably never once thought hyper-optimized war bases were an exploit. But then SC turns around and tells us that it was actually not how they meant to play the game. It would suck to find out, after spending months or even years carefully managing a base, that it was an exploit and they are taking steps to strongly penalize the practice.

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Originally Posted by Traokoth

Getting back to the sniping situation for a moment, many of us used the free shields to help save up loot for years, never knowing that this wasn't how supercell intended for people to play the game. It blindsided most of the community to find out that SC really thought it was an exploit all these years. I never once thought it was an exploit, like how you probably never once thought hyper-optimized war bases were an exploit. But then SC turns around and tells us that it was actually not how they meant to play the game. It would suck to find out, after spending months or even years carefully managing a base, that it was an exploit and they are taking steps to strongly penalize the practice.

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Your arguments are too emotive for an engineer to be honest, if SC suddenly nerfed engineered bases what do you really think would happen? It doesn't negate attack skill unless you actually used a an engineered account to bully, you would still get your 3 stars from a offence v defence equivalent and people that were crying about engineered bases would still lose because they still can't 3 star.

Engineers are the ones that look at a problem and find a solution, those complaining about engineers are the ones that look to others to solve their problems for them. Either way engineers would adapt because that's what they have been doing all along, they adapted to the matchmaking.

Whiners would still lose and continue to whine, nerfing engineered bases isn't going to make engineers lose and whiners win. In fact without engineered bases whiners might find themselves not being able to star anything since they have to face actual defences.

Maybe that's their next complaint, that defences are too OP.

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Originally Posted by JKL2207

Your arguments are too emotive for an engineer

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So rather than engage the discussion you choose to belittle the argument. Typical.

If they changed the war matching algorithm to focus on offense, all of the offense-heavy-defense-light accounts would be heavily penalized and engineering would swing the other direction (defense heavy offense light accounts would be the new engineering). The question is whether the system could be structured to ensure better matches overall.

Maxers are arguing for better in-lane matches in accordance with supercell's stated goals in http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...rs-Matchmaking

' help to keep War Bases better balanced "in lane."'

What's not clear is if they intended for hyper-optimized bases with extreme offense-defense disparity. Why that is important is because if SC didn't intend for this engineering they will change the rules to penalize it. I specifically think they should look at both offense and defense, and if a match can't be found they should just tell the clan. Case in point: http://i.imgur.com/uhLFjiS.jpg

This isn't forcing anyone to play differently, it would just pit engineering clans against other similar engineering clans. I'd like to hear a real argument for why two similarly-shaped similar-defense similar-offense clans with similar engineered bases shouldn't face off against each other.

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Originally Posted by JKL2207

Your arguments are too emotive for an engineer to be honest, if SC suddenly nerfed engineered bases what do you really think would happen? It doesn't negate attack skill unless you actually used a an engineered account to bully, you would still get your 3 stars from a offence v defence equivalent and people that were crying about engineered bases would still lose because they still can't 3 star.

Engineers are the ones that look at a problem and find a solution, those complaining about engineers are the ones that look to others to solve their problems for them. Either way engineers would adapt because that's what they have been doing all along, they adapted to the matchmaking.

Whiners would still lose and continue to whine, nerfing engineered bases isn't going to make engineers lose and whiners win. In fact without engineered bases whiners might find themselves not being able to star anything since they have to face actual defences.

Maybe that's their next complaint, that defences are too OP.

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Spot on IMHO.
Next up they'll be demanding that walls must have gaps in them without springtraps.
If they were winning they wouldn't be complaining. They'll just find something (anything) to blame other than their own game play.

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Originally Posted by Traokoth

So rather than engage the discussion you choose to belittle the argument. Typical.

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Of course I belittle the argument, this argument is like creation vs big bang. Some guys argue with evidence against others argue with blind faith, it was never going to be a balanced argument either way.

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Originally Posted by Traokoth

This isn't forcing anyone to play differently, it would just pit engineering clans against other similar engineering clans. I'd like to hear a real argument for why two similarly-shaped similar-defense similar-offense clans with similar engineered bases shouldn't face off against each other.

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You'll get no argument from me or my clan. Happy to fight another engineered clan. If we lose so be it. But the fact that we've yet to match against one says to me that this really is not as huge a problem as some would have you believe at the moment.

I have yet to hear any argument from those that oppose engineering as to why they dont just join in. They are missing out on an a large and enjoyable angle of game play in my opinion. Instead they seem hell bent on ensuring the removal of that option from everyone else.

Diversity is a good thing and should be encouraged.

There are many who dont create a second account as they have no time for it, thats why.

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Originally Posted by AyanD

There are many who dont create a second account as they have no time for it, thats why.

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So... coz they dont have time then nobody else should do it?
Is that it?

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Originally Posted by Wooly

So... coz they dont have time then nobody else should do it?
Is that it?

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Pretty similar to kids who don't have money to gem, so they hate on gemmers.

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Originally Posted by Wooly

So... coz they dont have time then nobody else should do it?
Is that it?

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I think so. Or the other thing can be many are scared of an unsupported feature.